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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #45 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
One question thats needs to be answered is if TDK plays does Pittonet?.....logic might say No as Brisbane only run the one ruck but if Charlie or Harry doesnt play then is TDK required down forward leaving Pittonet to do most of the ruckwork?
It's big ask coming back cold after a month or so off to go solo against McInerney, it would be about as testing as a test could get!
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #46 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Possibly.

Still give us more in that quarter than Durdin and Fantasia would in 4 quarters combined.

.......plus it would allow us to play a sub as cover, rather than have those 2 wasting space for the entire match.

Durdin was great last week, Fantasia was great yesterday.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #47 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Durdin was great last week, Fantasia was great yesterday.
I can't work out how Durdin started ahead of Moir, Durdin was obviously injured form the first contest.

Last weekend exposed what goes wrong when the smalls don't all fire, Motlop had a shocker, Durdin was injured and Owies couldn't get a clean possession.

We missed the physicality of Williams, who early on was the trigger the week before, and no Boyd or Fogarty.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #48 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Durdin was great last week, Fantasia was great yesterday.

Either you have a very low bar, or you don't understand what 'great' means, unless you are talking about comparisons to their usual output.

If you are talking about player compared to another player, than in no way shape or form were they 'great'.
 

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #49 –
Moir might be a genuine option to be used up the ground turning onto his left or right and hitting Charlie or BigH on the lead inside F50, and could work in well with Owies. I did notice Moir playing on the wing in the last VFL game I watched.

The problem we have with Owies is he isn't that quick, and not super overhead, so that when we haven't got the match up right opposition can sit a heavier slower defender on him and it stops his influence. He needs Williams, Martin, Moir type there to draw the bigger body.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #50 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Either you have a very low bar, or you don't understand what 'great' means, unless you are talking about comparisons to their usual output.

If you are talking about player compared to another player, than in no way shape or form were they 'great'.

You're underselling fantasia.

His pick up and delivered to Kemp was our best forward entry of the day, his opportunist goal was good and early he started in the centre.

He has lots of tricks and he has nous.  Durdin was bad for 3 quarters but cracked in late and put his broken body on the line multiple times when the game was alive but fantasia did more to get us going in the 3rd.

Motlop.  The less said the better.  When people complain about Russell I point to the kids that aren't kicking on and say they still play and run with the strength and fitness of first year players.  Yes he's been injured and that's hurt motlop but you cannot be a cameo player and not be a tackling machine at worst.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #51 –
Carroll has contributed but I wouldn't say his position was safe.  I feel Lord and Binns have done more.  I'd like to see Ollie used behind the ball for more rebound.

I wouldn't pick Martin if we were down to 22 names.
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Reply #52 –
If you go by the game day "first picked" principle, I'd say Fantasia is picked in the 16-22 range, and his output is commensurate with that. To my eyes, he's a low possession role player, and that's by design IMO. Still not understanding the hate.

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Reply #53 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
If you go by the game day "first picked" principle, I'd say Fantasia is picked in the 16-22 range, and his output is commensurate with that. To my eyes, he's a low possession role player, and that's by design IMO. Still not understanding the hate.

There is a big difference between hate and calling his game great.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #54 –
Owies suspended for a week.

Liam Jones got a fine. WTF?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
You're underselling fantasia.

His pick up and delivered to Kemp was our best forward entry of the day, his opportunist goal was good and early he started in the centre.

He has lots of tricks and he has nous.  Durdin was bad for 3 quarters but cracked in late and put his broken body on the line multiple times when the game was alive but fantasia did more to get us going in the 3rd.

Motlop.  The less said the better.  When people complain about Russell I point to the kids that aren't kicking on and say they still play and run with the strength and fitness of first year players.  Yes he's been injured and that's hurt motlop but you cannot be a cameo player and not be a tackling machine at worst.

Fantasia worked hard up the ground too. 

He's not in my best 23 but, at the moment, he's in my best available 23.

Durdin probably shouldn't have played.  I guess the MC was hoping he could reproduce the form he showed against the Eagles before he was chicken winged.  He did have a crack though, particularly in the last quarter.

Motlop started the year like a house on fire but the series of injuries he copped knocked the stuffing out of him.  I think he's a player who needs a very good fitness base to produce anywhere near his best footy.  Yes, he'll jag goals here and there but he's not providing the forward pressure we need.

At the moment it's Owies as our best small forward, followed by Fantasia and the rest hobbling behind.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #57 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Young can't play IMO.
So if we are short any key forwards, and TDK is fit, then he and Pitto both play.
If everyone is fit, than stick with just TDK and add plenty of legs around him.
Its a final. We need pressure.

I'd be more inclined to play someone like Moir instead of 2 rucks. The kid has an x-factor that could influence the game more in 5 minutes than a 2nd ruck will over the whole game.
Voss said the reason Moir was sub because he can't run out a full.game yet. Makes a damn handy sub though.

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Reply #58 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Absolutely not!
I like Martin, did veey well last year when it mattered but not this game. Anyone who has missed large chunks of the season doesn't play for mine. It's where our slump started playing half fit, out of form players. We went from the best 4th qtr team to not being able to do anything beyond one qtr.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #59 –
Just want fit blokes. West Coast won a flag in 2018 with 6 good blokes out. Thing is, on the day, they were a fit team.