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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #135 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
Kemp has demonstrated he is a forward. Why would you move him into defence? Martin is not physically reliable, why would you play him? Since Young has played we have kept WCE to four goals and St.Kilda to eleven, we have struggled against tall forwards all year, why would you not play him. McGovern is always a worry physically and Young can take the centre square rucking duties when required.
I think Moir, Lord, Binns and Owies won't play, hopefully McKay,  McGovern, Curnow and Williams will play. Cerra, Docherty, Martin and TDK would have to demonstrate they can get through a game. Boyd won't be ready for a couple of weeks I believe.
Of the group Cerra Docherty Martin and TDK, I will bet both the family jewels Doc would come in, be ready and play well. Nothing surer in my mind. The rest, I would have no confidence in Martin, TDK would be 50/50 propositions to get through a game, do you take that risk in a cut throat final? I'd say no.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #136 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
Kemp has demonstrated he is a forward. Why would you move him into defence? Martin is not physically reliable, why would you play him? Since Young has played we have kept WCE to four goals and St.Kilda to eleven, we have struggled against tall forwards all year, why would you not play him. McGovern is always a worry physically and Young can take the centre square rucking duties when required.
I think Moir, Lord, Binns and Owies won't play, hopefully McKay,  McGovern, Curnow and Williams will play. Cerra, Docherty, Martin and TDK would have to demonstrate they can get through a game. Boyd won't be ready for a couple of weeks I believe.

Kemp has a long way to go before he comes close to demonstrating that he's a forward.  Perhaps he will with a full pre-season working on his forward craft and goal kicking.  However, I'd leave him as third tall forward if we get Harry and Charlie back, provided he can keep out of their way.

I'd also leave Young in the backline, particularly with Daniher, Hipwood and the Big O.  Our defence has looked better balanced with Young in the mix and he seems to have freed Weitering up to get more involved in intercepting and transition.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #137 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
Kemp has demonstrated he is a forward. Why would you move him into defence? Martin is not physically reliable, why would you play him? Since Young has played we have kept WCE to four goals and St.Kilda to eleven, we have struggled against tall forwards all year, why would you not play him. McGovern is always a worry physically and Young can take the centre square rucking duties when required.
I think Moir, Lord, Binns and Owies won't play, hopefully McKay,  McGovern, Curnow and Williams will play. Cerra, Docherty, Martin and TDK would have to demonstrate they can get through a game. Boyd won't be ready for a couple of weeks I believe.
To me Lord, Binns and Moir (as sub only) have earned their right to play. They are fit, unlike others we are likely to go and select. I only have 4 coming back, Harry, Charlie, Zac and Gov. I was blokes fit and in match condition, not misses a big chuck of the year with injury issues. West Coast won the 2018 GF with 6 of their best blokes out. What they did do was go in with a fit side that ran the game right out.

Not playing a bloke that has had 3 knee recos and not played since March, especially in a final, as good as Doc is. The fact he has done 3 makes me think he can be susceptible, especially with just 6 months off. Might be exciting that he might be ready but one needs to be practical. Be absolute hell to pay if he did it again. Too risky.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #138 –
Quote from: laj – on
To me Lord, Binns and Moir (as sub only) have earned their right to play. They are fit, unlike others we are likely to go and select. I only have 4 coming back, Harry, Charlie, Zac and Gov. I was blokes fit and in match condition, not misses a big chuck of the year with injury issues. West Coast won the 2018 GF with 6 of their best blokes out. What they did do was go in with a fit side that ran the game right out.

Not playing a bloke that has had 3 knee recos and not played since March, especially in a final, as good as Doc is. The fact he has done 3 makes me think he can be susceptible, especially with just 6 months off. Might be exciting that he might be ready but one needs to be practical. Be absolute hell to pay if he did it again. Too risky.
Agree the kids deserve to play and we need fit and able players only vs Brisbane not ones who haven't played for a while or who are not reliable enough to last 4 quarters on a regular basis.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #139 –
Doc is too inspirational and too good of a player in big moments not to play.
Probably the Scottish stubborness in him. But big moment players is what we need. Thats what will win games if its close.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #140 –
Quote from: laj – on
To me Lord, Binns and Moir (as sub only) have earned their right to play. They are fit, unlike others we are likely to go and select. I only have 4 coming back, Harry, Charlie, Zac and Gov. I was blokes fit and in match condition, not misses a big chuck of the year with injury issues. West Coast won the 2018 GF with 6 of their best blokes out. What they did do was go in with a fit side that ran the game right out.

Not playing a bloke that has had 3 knee recos and not played since March, especially in a final, as good as Doc is. The fact he has done 3 makes me think he can be susceptible, especially with just 6 months off. Might be exciting that he might be ready but one needs to be practical. Be absolute hell to pay if he did it again. Too risky.
I agree with all this but I dont think the club will be brave enough to keep Lord Binns and Moir. As for he ins, I am not convinced Gov can be trusted to a. come and not get re-injured and b. do a defensive job. What I have seen from him (when he as played) late this season is a selfish footballer who is very quick to berate team mates for his own pathetic defensives efforts. If he plays and Young doesn't, I fear their two big forwards will have their way with us. If they dont kick bags, they will bring their small fwds into the game.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #141 –
Thursday at 6:25pm will be really interesting. Who gets a gig and who doesn't.

I hope the MC adopts, strictly, the finals selection template: only play blokes who are match fit, healthy and ready to go. No selecting blokes on reputations who aren't cherry ripe, or very close to it.

Cerra? Nuh. Has missed too much footy.
TDK? Too risky considering the nature of his injuries? Probably. Only the high performance team will know if he can hit the ground running and deliver for 120 minutes, besides, Pitto is in pretty good form and his agro in a final would be valuable.
Gov? Yep. Provided his hammy isn't suspect.
Martin? Yep, again, provided he has recovered well. Especially important with the absence of Owies.
Doc? I was firmly in the 'no' camp due to him not having any match fitness for too many months... however... Doc is a unique character. This is a bloke who can do the seemingly impossible. But I would have him as the sub.
As for Kempy? Forward. FF. Charles and H working hard around half forward and up to different wings. My concern is that if Charles and H are too stationary, and deep in the forward line, then bad habits from the mids might be encouraged to do the blind bombing thing into the forward line. Eye lowering has worked well in their absence.

Of the newbies, I would definitely play Cooper Lord. For a kid he has adjusted and fit in beautifully to our midfield mix. Genuine footy IQ and hardness. Love his decision making and disposal skills in the heat. Genuine tackling beast.
I believe selecting Moir might just be expecting too much from the kid in a final.
Binns? To be honest, I just don't know, ditto Carroll.

Can't wait for 6:25pm Thursday.


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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #142 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I hope the MC adopts, strictly, the finals selection template: only play blokes who are match fit, healthy and ready to go. No selecting blokes on reputations who aren't cherry ripe, or very close to it.

If that's how we think about selection, then we won't be able to fill a side. Too many players coming back from injury and/or playing with injuries.

We are pleasantly.surprised with Lord and what he has done, but let's be realistic. He is a skinny kid who went OK against basically 2 hack sides in nothing games.
Him playing in a final against Brisbane on their home deck is too big of an ask IMO.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #143 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree the kids deserve to play and we need fit and able players only vs Brisbane not ones who haven't played for a while or who are not reliable enough to last 4 quarters on a regular basis.

I haven’t seen any reports from yesterday’s open training session but the likes of Cerra, McGovern, Martin, De Koning and Docherty would have to be dominating the match sims to have any chance of selection.

Only match fit, durable players in good form should be considered.  If that means playing kids and not fragile big names, so be it!
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #144 –
CHARLIE CURNOW (ankle)

Most of the training attention from Carlton fans settled on the hulking forward who is endeavouring to overcome a nagging ankle injury. He wore a special ankle monitor/guard and refrained from kicking on his left foot. Did most of the drills but didn’t really extend himself. But Blues insiders are confident he will play

 

HARRY McKAY (quad)

Looked to tick most of the boxes with a week still to run as he breezed through the 90-minute session without any discomfort. Looked happy and content as he prepares to reunite with Curnow in attack.

 

MITCH McGOVERN (hamstring)

One of the key Blues from a structural point of view, McGovern missed last week’s clash with St Kilda after experiencing hamstring awareness the previous week. He got through the session without any concerns and finished it off running a number of laps. Should play.

 

ZAC WILLIAMS (hamstring)

Another of the Blues who missed the Saints’ clash but looks ready to resume off the back of a solid training session on Saturday. He’s played 18 games this season on his return from an ACL so he should have the fitness base to ensure he is ready to go next week.

 

SAM DOCHERTY (knee)

Patrick Cripps used the ‘f’ word to describe his great mate in his comeback bid - ‘flying’. That’s precisely how he looked to Blues fans watching on with interest. He was vocal and took part in every aspect of the training session, looking to get across the ground with speed and confidence. We shouldn’t be surprised as he leaves nothing to chance. The temptation to play him will be huge.

 

TOM DE KONING (foot)

Carlton’s chances of knocking off the Lions could come down to whether this big man proves his fitness or not. He’s genuinely touch and go. He wandered out for a few minutes in Saturday’s session - having pushed himself in training a day earlier - but then disappeared inside where he smashed out a session on the bike. This decision could go down to the wire.

 

ADAM CERRA (hamstring)

The Blues are likely to be more cautious with the midfielder, given he has had three hamstring episodes this season. Didn’t take part on Saturday, but like De Koning, he trained on Friday. Would need to have a serious week on the track to be considered.

 

JACK MARTIN (hamstring)

Like Cerra, Martin hasn’t had much luck with his body this season, so he too will be more unlikely than likely. Trained with TDK and Cerra on Friday. Still pushing to play but he's no certainty.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #145 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
CHARLIE CURNOW (ankle)

Most of the training attention from Carlton fans settled on the hulking forward who is endeavouring to overcome a nagging ankle injury. He wore a special ankle monitor/guard and refrained from kicking on his left foot. Did most of the drills but didn’t really extend himself. But Blues insiders are confident he will play

TBH, I have never seen Charlie use his left foot to kick a footy. Doesn't mean he hasn't but...
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #146 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
TBH, I have never seen Charlie use his left foot to kick a footy. Doesn't mean he hasn't but...
To me the use of the guards is self-defeating, they might give the player some confidence to push through training to maintain aerobic capacity, but they retard the recovery of strength around the injury site. I suppose they'll offset that with lots of extra time in the gym, but no matter what you do with weights you can't fully simulate the dynamic environment of the contest in a game.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #147 –
Reading that it seems McKay, McGovern and Williams are in. Curnow and Docherty are a chance.
Cerra, TDK and Martin won't play.
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #148 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Reading that it seems McKay, McGovern and Williams are in. Curnow and Docherty are a chance.
Cerra, TDK and Martin won't play.
Agreed, you don't take injuries into finals, not everybody can do a Fraser Brown!
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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #149 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
CHARLIE CURNOW (ankle)

Most of the training attention from Carlton fans settled on the hulking forward who is endeavouring to overcome a nagging ankle injury. He wore a special ankle monitor/guard and refrained from kicking on his left foot. Did most of the drills but didn’t really extend himself. But Blues insiders are confident he will play


I was at the training session, and Charlie was going about 20% throttle at best.  Can't help thinking (given where Charlie grabbed his ankle when he got injured against Hawthorn) that he has a syndesmosis issue and they do not go away quickly.  Cannot afford to play him if he is still struggling.  
Interesting also that Owies took no part in the session - stayed inside with the Rehab boys.
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