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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #165 –
Motlop won't be in the side based on the past two weeks.  Invisible
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #166 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Our goal should still be to win the premiership. There is no point playing Charlie this week if the ankle is still bothering him. If we win he still has to back it up the following week and then another 2 matches after that.

That's the tricky part isn't it.
We don't know if we have one week left... or four.

Do we throw everything into the first game....or do we take a conservative approach with some players, in the hope they'll be even more ready in the weeks ahead.

It' s a really difficult situation for selectors.

Injured players...do they need another week?
Players who have been carrying injuries, but still playing...will they hold up?
Players coming back for injuries...will it take more than a game or two to hit peak form?
Young players untried in the heat of finals battle...will they be found wanting under finals pressure?
Docherty...could be an inspiration...could have the opposite effect if he is injured again.

It's a scenario that could have our selectors open to heavy criticism...or praise, if they get it right.
The thing is that they're probably the group with the best knowledge of current player status to make those decisions.


Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #167 –
Quote from: Lods – on
That's the tricky part isn't it.
We don't know if we have one week left... or four.

Do we throw everything into the first game....or do we take a conservative approach with some players, in the hope they'll be even more ready in the weeks ahead.

It' s a really difficult situation for selectors.

Injured players...do they need another week?
Players who have been carrying injuries, but still playing...will they hold up?
Players coming back for injuries...will it take more than a game or two to hit peak form?
Young players untried in the heat of finals battle...will they be found wanting under finals pressure?
Docherty...could be an inspiration...could have the opposite effect if he is injured again.

It's a scenario that could have our selectors open to heavy criticism...or praise, if they get it right.
The thing is that they're probably the group with the best knowledge of current player status to make those decisions.



Charlie doing nothing > any of our other forwards doing nothing.  Will demand a decent opponent at worst and get subbed out.  Just can't break him in the process.  If he needs an operation though it won't matter if you play him this and/or next week though.  That won't change until his operation.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #168 –
Charlie has a bit to prove given he was criticised for a lack lustre finals campaign last season and Im hoping this will fire him up to prove the critics wrong.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #169 –
We tried Charlie doing nothing against Hawthorn, it didn't work for us or him.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #170 –
I think the club needs to maintain integrity and consistency of message across the board, for themselves, supporters and players. If they are genuine about one week at a time, not looking beyond the next game, focusing on process, control what you can control etc, then the selection criteria needs to follow the normal seasonal procedures. If a player cannot get through 4 quarters comfortably in their normal position, then they don't play. Any deviation from that, and certainly one that is not endorsed by the playing group, just undermines confidence in the systems and culture IMO.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #171 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Our goal should still be to win the premiership. There is no point playing Charlie this week if the ankle is still bothering him. If we win he still has to back it up the following week and then another 2 matches after that.
Its the same with any of them, not just charlie.

I doubt anyone here really knows how good or bad he actually is, but based of the fact he was picked for our last game, suggests that he must've been half a chance. Obviously he didn't play last week. He didn't play this week, so its basically been 3 weeks of rest since his last game, so i'd like to think he would be pretty close to being right to go.

....but again, we are just second guessing whats coming out of the club.

In my side I said that i expect one of our talls to get injured again, or subbed out if they don't. That could be Charlie.

As long as he can run without hurting himself. He could do well playing as a decoy. Even if he sits in the goal square and doesn't move, someone will have to be on him. Ideally he is fully fit and running around like a gazelle.
 

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #172 –
So.....i've just updated my Voss' objectives thread and while checking a few things i realised that its been a while since ......

So i checked.....and double checked.....and its been a while since, because, well, its never actually happened.....ever!

We can rectify that this week though. Now is as good of a time as any....

So i added another one to this list, and to be honest, i'm surprised its never occured to me, or anyone else.
In fact, its rather embarrassing. We can rectify that this week though.

Quote from: kruddler – on
Finals
- Win a final interstate - Last time NEVER

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #173 –
Leaving aside the Navy Blue bias, does anyone really think we can win this ? I can't see it myself. Too many things against us IMO.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #174 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Leaving aside the Navy Blue bias, does anyone really think we can win this ? I can't see it myself. Too many things against us IMO.

50 50 for mine.  We play this game 10 times we'd likely only win it once, but the odds are still 50 50.

They are under more pressure with the weight of expectation and won't know how to plan for our boys.  If they take us too lightly we'll knock them off.  They haven't been finishing games well.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #175 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Leaving aside the Navy Blue bias, does anyone really think we can win this ? I can't see it myself. Too many things against us IMO.
Leaving aside Navy Blue bias, yes, I think we can. Reasons being:
- We get back 2 or 3 superstars
- Our best is good enough to beat anyone anywhere
- We beat this mob rnd 0
- I think, I and have said this before, they are mentally weak (nearly got beaten by Ess after establishing a heft lead. This mob, with their Gabba advantage, the talent they have and age profile, should have won a couple of flags already IMO.
- Which brings me to another point, I think Fagan is holding them back.
- Seasons starts again this week, pressure and contest goes up several notches this week and I reckon pressure and contest is our gig.
- We do ok on the road with our backs against the wall.
- Doc - the uplift he will provide his team mates by running out with them will be huge.
Having known you on here for a long time, respectfully, I know you will say that although the bold bits are facts, what I have listed are just "gut feel" and account for nothing factual. Footy is an emotional game and the mental side is huge, I just think we are better between the ears than they are and when the whips get cracking, we will prevail.
So that's my story, discuss.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #176 –
Well, I certainly hope the two of you are right.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #177 –
If we get back to good footy we beat anybody.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #178 –
Got to win the midfield well, if they get enough supply we wont be able to stop them, our defense has been poor....Neale and McBaggage cant have 30 plus possessions either. Cripps will probably have a tough night with Dunkley and Berry rotating off him so we need more out of our other mids.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #179 –
We're in it up to our necks.
Combine the attitude of the last few weeks with some returning talent, add the fact that they seem to be just a little bit off.... and we're a good chance.

I'm more, confident and actually think we're better placed than the prelim last year....when I thought we'd probably run our race before the game.
I had no expectations of a win last year.
I reckon we're well positioned for an 'upset'.