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Reply #135
Cripps next individual award will hopefully be a norm Smith.
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Reply #136
I read the article when it came out and confess almost yawning. Slow news days tend to yield ho-hum articles like this. For moi, Crippa polled so many votes because he had a bloody good season plus no other midfielders (injuries/form etc.) taking votes from him.
Before the count, many had declared Cripp's last season better than his first Brownlow season, and were correct!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #137
I read the article when it came out and confess almost yawning. Slow news days tend to yield ho-hum articles like this. For moi, Crippa polled so many votes because he had a bloody good season plus no other midfielders (injuries/form etc.) taking votes from him.

Yep
Which highlights a couple of issues....

Firstly the Brownlow is a bit of a joke.
It's a midfielders award...with a couple of half forward/back cameos.
It's the guys under the umpires eyes who get the votes.

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Top 10
1.Patrick Cripps (Carlton) - Midfielder
2. Nick Daicos (Collingwood) - Midfielder
3. Zak Butters (Port Adelaide) - Midfielder
=4. Caleb Serong (Fremantle) - Midfielder
=4. Isaac Heeney (Sydney) - Forward/Midfielder
6. Tom Green (GWS) - Midfielder
7. Adam Treloar (Western Bulldogs) - Midfielder
=8. Errol Gulden (Sydney) - Midfielder
=8. Matt Rowell (Gold Coast) - Midfielder
10. Jai Newcombe (Hawthorn) - Forward/Midfielder

Would we rather have the Brownlow medallist or a flag?
The obvious answer is both...but I think even Cripps himself would rather the flag.

The fact is that he was the dominant force in our midfield.
Other midfielders contributed, but most were injured, or down on the form of previous years, for large parts of the season.
Cripps was streets ahead.
No-one was taking votes off him.
Now if players like Cerra, Walsh and Hewett (who was actually pretty reliable) can have improved seasons and some of the young players come on, then Patrick doesn't win the Brownlow....he may win something better. ;)

If  I remember correctly, midfielders have won most, if not all of the AFLCA, AFLPA and media awards for some time now - but not necessarily the right midfielders.

It’s not so much that the Brownlow is a midfielders’ award but that the game has evolved to make midfielders more prominent and with greater influence on the outcome of games.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #138
So essentially 'all awards' are 'midfielders' awards. ::)

I guess the point is this.
Was Cripps the best player this year?
There's a good  case to say he was.

Was it the best season ever by a player?
I don't even think it was the best season ever by a Carlton player.



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Reply #139
So essentially 'all awards' are 'midfielders' awards. ::)

I guess the point is this.
Was Cripps the best player this year?
There's a good  case to say he was.

Was it the best season ever by a player?
I don't even think it was the best season ever by a Carlton player.

I don’t think that they’re all midfielders’ awards but the game has evolved into a midfielders’ game.  Of course, each team fields 8-9 midfielders now compared to 3-4 back when Bobby Skilton, Ian Stewart and Keith Greig were dominating the Brownlow votes.

It probably wasn’t the best season ever, but it was Crippa’s best season and the votes reflect just how much better he was than everyone else.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #140
I liked this by Daniel Horne at the rime.   Game plans are set around the superstars so they shine and there is less talent and more role players on each list

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/24/how-afl-trends-led-to-insane-brownlow-results-and-why-champion-data-analyst

“When I saw Patrick Cripps had 45 votes and Nick Daicos had 38, it took me a little bit by surprise … but the game has changed significantly over the last seven, eight or nine years,” Hoyne told SEN Sportsday.

“Teams only need or only have four to five superstars that are going to win you a Prelim or that are going to win you a Grand Final that you're setting the game up for.

“10, 15 or 20 years ago, there was more of an even spread of talent across the ground.

“I think we can all agree that the lack of depth across the competition is pretty noticeable at the moment.

“I remember 15 years ago going, ‘How is that guy not getting a game’, but you rarely see that now.”

Simply put, Hoyne thinks that coaches are setting their game plans up to help their superstars shine, with role players working to get the big guns into positions to produce game-breaking moments.

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Reply #141
I liked this by Daniel Horne at the rime.   Game plans are set around the superstars so they shine and there is less talent and more role players on each list

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/24/how-afl-trends-led-to-insane-brownlow-results-and-why-champion-data-analyst

“When I saw Patrick Cripps had 45 votes and Nick Daicos had 38, it took me a little bit by surprise … but the game has changed significantly over the last seven, eight or nine years,” Hoyne told SEN Sportsday.

“Teams only need or only have four to five superstars that are going to win you a Prelim or that are going to win you a Grand Final that you're setting the game up for.

“10, 15 or 20 years ago, there was more of an even spread of talent across the ground.

“I think we can all agree that the lack of depth across the competition is pretty noticeable at the moment.

“I remember 15 years ago going, ‘How is that guy not getting a game’, but you rarely see that now.”

Simply put, Hoyne thinks that coaches are setting their game plans up to help their superstars shine, with role players working to get the big guns into positions to produce game-breaking moments.
Yes I remember hearing that, spot on. If I recall correctly, he also stated that your success or failure lies with the bottom 6 of your best 22. That is, if you have the best bottom 6 (role players) in the comp, you get success.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #142
Yes I remember hearing that, spot on. If I recall correctly, he also stated that your success or failure lies with the bottom 6 of your best 22. That is, if you have the best bottom 6 (role players) in the comp, you get success.

Ron Barassi came up with the concept of having the best bottom six way back when teams had 18 players and the 19th and 20th men.

Of course, your first 12 had to be damn good then as now.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #143
I think the biggest thing that holds teams back is a lack of innovation and original tactics, too many AFL coaches are copycats merely trying to reimplement or reproduce the success of some other!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #144
I think the biggest thing that holds teams back is a lack of innovation and original tactics, too many AFL coaches are copycats merely trying to reimplement or reproduce the success of some other!

Would we say that applies to Voss.
Who do we play like?
Who are we attempting to play like?
How does our structure differ from other sides?

We have two strong forwards.
Our small/ mediums aren't that impactful, but when they're up and about players like like Fogarty and Durdin (Jack Silvagni when he plays) all apply good pressure.
Our backline has only one key defensive player around which we run a  lot of 'attacking' defenders.
Our midfield has a bit of quality, with arguably the best contested player in the comp in Cripps.
If Walsh, Hewett, and Cerra are on their game it's not a bad midfield....and that's not even considering some of the youngsters.
And we have one of the most talented young Ruckman in the game.

So it's pressure in the forward line.
Attack from the back
and win the contests in the middle.
It's not rocket science

I sometimes feel that we're looking to play a different style of game to other sides.
But are we really?
Where it falls apart of course, is when players are missing.

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Reply #145
There's only so much you can do differently.

It's more about how to change your style in game to manage momentum and swing it back your way.

Stopping your opponent when the momentum is against you.  Scoring when the momentum is with you.  Stalling when the game is neither here nor there.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson