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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #180 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: northernblue – on
I don’t believe we can have a proper backup up for Weitering, no Rolls Royce is going to sit in the magoos until Weiters goes down.
A backup will be someone with a bit of size who can play a role, hopefully…

The concept of back up players is bogus.  As you say, a player capable of performing Weitering's role wouldn't be cooling his heels in the VFL.  Furthermore, AFL list sizes, injuries and development or project players mean that it's simply not possible to have back ups for the "best 22".

Rather than a back up player, we will have strategies in place to cover the absence of key players.  For example, if player A is suspended, we bring in player B from the VFL.  Player B takes on player C's role and player C takes on player A's role.  Players D and E have their roles tweaked to assist player C.  Player F will also spend time in player C's role.

I remember hearing a Hawthorn player explaining during their premiership domination that every player in the 22 could move seamlessly into at least three other player's roles.  If Hodge had to go off, someone else would immediately take his role until such time as Clarko made a more permanent positional change.  We would have to have similar contingencies both for game day scenarios and at the selection table and they may even include Harry McKay to CHB  :)
Whilst I concur, you do need to have someone physically capable of impersonating a missing player, no point having small Durds standing @ chb on Jeremy Cameron.
Big Durds and McDonald before him were adequate replacements but were both injured almost every time they were required…
Young on the other hand despite his shortcomings is at least durable and available.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #181 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Whilst I concur, you do need to have someone physically capable of impersonating a missing player, no point having small Durds standing @ chb on Jeremy Cameron.
Big Durds and McDonald before him were adequate replacements but were both injured almost every time they were required…
Young on the other hand despite his shortcomings is at least durable and available.

Yes, but not if the player that comes in as the replacement has a different role.  To put names to a scenario similar to that above:
- Weitering is suspended.
- Small Durds comes into the 22 as a forward.
- Silvagni goes to defence in Weiter's role.
- Williams takes Silvagni's third tall forward role.
- Our other playes adjust to a smaller forward line and a different defensive structure.

Even if Tall Durds or McDonald had been able to play, they wouldn't necessarily take Weiters' role and our defensive structures would have to change. 


It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #182 –
If I'm reading things correctly, Kemp appears to be taking Kennedys role in the team.  
 
Shifting him forward, with Haynes coming in improves that and makes it younger.  We will miss kennedys midfield forays but I wonder if Kemp might moon light in there towards the back half of the season.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #183 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
If I'm reading things correctly, Kemp appears to be taking Kennedys role in the team.  
 
Shifting him forward, with Haynes coming in improves that and makes it younger.  We will miss kennedys midfield forays but I wonder if Kemp might moon light in there towards the back half of the season.

When Cripps, Hewett and Cerra were all fit and firing Kennedy was on the outer.
I think we want to speed up the midfield by giving Hollands, Lord and probably Jagga some time in there.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #184 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
If I'm reading things correctly, Kemp appears to be taking Kennedys role in the team.  
 
Shifting him forward, with Haynes coming in improves that and makes it younger.  We will miss kennedys midfield forays but I wonder if Kemp might moon light in there towards the back half of the season.

Which role would that be Thry; midfielder, ruck, lead up forward or key forward? 

One thing about Chugga was his ability to fill in for almost any role … but he wasn’t happy with being a jack of all trades.

I think that Kemp will be a dedicated third tall forward with a licence to get up the ground and impact marking contests. That’s if the experiment works.

Chugga’s midfield role will be more than adequately covered by faster options in Cerra, Lord and Smith.  McKay and Silvagni will handle the back up ruck role.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #185 –
Kennedy will be missed if Cripps or Hewett get injured , we will look very small and light around the ball.
He played most games last season and will be a good fit with Bont and Libba at the Dogs.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #186 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
If I'm reading things correctly, Kemp appears to be taking Kennedys role in the team.  
 
Shifting him forward, with Haynes coming in improves that and makes it younger.  We will miss kennedys midfield forays but I wonder if Kemp might moon light in there towards the back half of the season.

Which role would that be Thry; midfielder, ruck, lead up forward or key forward? 

One thing about Chugga was his ability to fill in for almost any role … but he wasn’t happy with being a jack of all trades.

I think that Kemp will be a dedicated third tall forward with a licence to get up the ground and impact marking contests. That’s if the experiment works.

Chugga’s midfield role will be more than adequately covered by faster options in Cerra, Lord and Smith.  McKay and Silvagni will handle the back up ruck role.
Forward with the odd chop out to Cripps.  I think Kemp would be interesting as shock factor on ball from time to time.

Rucking isnt his go, lets not get another one in on that mess.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #187 –
I can see Kemp as a marking link man as Lynch was for the Crows. Decent mark and good kick into F50 from the  Wing/HFF area.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #188 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I can see Kemp as a marking link man as Lynch was for the Crows. Decent mark and good kick into F50 from the  Wing/HFF area.

That would address a deficiency Cookie.  Kemp always looks dangerous when he has the ball goalside of our defensive 50.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #189 –
We were the 2nd worst team defending stoppages in 2024 it has nothing to do with the defence but how the ball was coming in - Hewett dropped at times or started as sub, same with Kennedy, Cerra injured, Walsh out of form... midfield was a bigger problem than defence. We leaked most points in competition from defending D50 stoppages. The greatest lock down defender in the world would always be no where near it

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #191 –
^^

The first game vs the pies (I think it was a Friday night) was poor decision making entering forward 50 by Harry before this final stoppage.  I think he was trying to win it for us at that point, but it was a shallow entry not to advantage to the top of the 50 and was easily cleared which caused an end to end.  THAT is where we lost the game.  This stoppage by Daicos to score is a seperate problem, but Kennedy rolled the dice and lost.

We need to be smarter with ourr ball use at critical moments, and manage the moments to coin a phrase.

The second time we let the game get out of reach and then tried to pull it back.   Wasnt a matter of anything at the death, and we had kicked ourselves out of the game earlier.

Moral of the story, make the most of your opportunities when you have them.  Another key forward might allow us to manage the final moments better, where we can take a strong mark in defense, and rebound, but thats it.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #192 –
Quote from: pinot – on
We were the 2nd worst team defending stoppages in 2024

Yes, in total.

However, if you look at it at differentials (us vs our opposition.....every week, for the year) we are far from it.

In fact we gave up 0.9 points more in points from stoppage than the opposition did.
Less than 1 point.

Overall numbers don't take into account opposition you play vs other teams. What the weather is like etc.
For instance,
Teams who play more games indoor and teams that play in warmer climates (less rain) will score more on average (as will their opposition) compared to teams who play in cold, wet, windy conditions more.
So....those same teams will have higher scores from stoppages (for and against) because they have higher score full stop!

So be careful looking at stats like that.
Much better to see how good we are vs our opposition.
.....and we are basically on a par with them (<1 pt) so its NOT how we lost games.
We failed in that area as much as the average AFL team did.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #193 –
Yes, it's clear when looking at the bigger picture that the problem is not as simple as just an extra defender or another Mid.

Sometimes momentum and scoring is like a seesaw, something has to fall for the other side to rise.

I continue to assert our problem is in the quality of our ball use and shallowness of our F50 entries. We are too robotic, this makes us predictable and easy to defend against when the ground is compressed inside scoring range. Sometimes coaches like the robotic stuff, especially if the tall forwards are dullards and they need more than a subtle prompt to get the timing right, but we have two Coleman Medallists.

We are great at getting onto the fringe of goal scoring range, but only Charlie can really take advantage of that, we need to find another 10m ~ 15m of ground then all our forwards become scoring options. Gaining that extra 10m has a huge affect on turnover as well, extra time for defenders to setup, extra ground for opposition to cover.

I'm also hoping like hell that from the new batch, we will managed to find a crumbing forward who will actually get to the feet of Harry and/or Charlie. The footy exits our F50 too easily, it smashes our relatively slow midfield. we have great aerobic runners but not a lot of top pace.

There is some irony, in that with two Coleman medallists we frequently struggle to enter F50 deeply, and that the opposition often enter our D50 far too easily long long before our defenders come into play.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #194 –
The above post mentions some of the critical issues, and explains why they are so important.
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