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Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #30 –
Quote from: shawny – on

Not sure about that. I like him but he plays the injury card too often to not be part of his mind games with an opponent.  Often when his opponent is on top he breaks their concentration by claiming he is badly injured and on way to retire.

He knew he had lost the first set so no better time to break the rhythm of the match - he has nothing to lose and everything to gain at that point. Then just like that he snaps out of his injury and is super focused on the next set which is exactly what happened again

He is the GOAT for a reason and mentally there is no one in the game as strong or smart as the Joker.

 
He is a formidable opponent for anyone, he is mentally stronger than anyone in the game by a very long way.
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Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #31 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
He is the GOAT and you can never count him out. Ill lay London to a brick though that he faked that groin injury to psych out Alcaraz. Not 5 minutes before Courier was saying how he is always looking for an advantage whether it be jostling with the crowd, or an umpire to certain tactics against his opponent.

Like his abdominal pains in an earlier match.

The rules provide for medical timeouts and Djokovic knows how to game the rules to create an advantage.  Same with the Jones furore; taking on the broadcaster encourages his supporters and gives him an edge.  You don’t win so many tournaments without picking up a few tricks along the way.
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Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #32 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
He is the GOAT and you can never count him out. Ill lay London to a brick though that he faked that groin injury to psych out Alcaraz. Not 5 minutes before Courier was saying how he is always looking for an advantage whether it be jostling with the crowd, or an umpire to certain tactics against his opponent.

Like his abdominal pains in an earlier match.

The rules provide for medical timeouts and Djokovic knows how to game the rules to create an advantage.  Same with the Jones furore; taking on the broadcaster encourages his supporters and gives him an edge.  You don’t win so many tournaments without picking up a few tricks along the way.
100% spot on
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2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #33 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
There's no way he faked that injury.  He could barely move during periods and changed his playing style remarkably, and his injury time out came at the worst possible time.

Not sure about that. I like him but he plays the injury card too often to not be part of his mind games with an opponent.  Often when his opponent is on top he breaks their concentration by claiming he is badly injured and on way to retire.

He knew he had lost the first set so no better time to break the rhythm of the match - he has nothing to lose and everything to gain at that point. Then just like that he snaps out of his injury and is super focused on the next set which is exactly what happened again

He is the GOAT for a reason and mentally there is no one in the game as strong or smart as the Joker.

 
he signalled for the trainer when it was 4-4 in the first set and on serve before he was broken.  Sure it wasn't looking great but he came back out after being broken at 4-5 and alcaraz had an easy hold to win the set. 

I watch a lot of tennis and I can see when a player is not quite themselves.  He did this once before in 2023 when he was having hamstring issues.  Don't be fooled by his ability to push through the pain threshold at times and a few scrambles when you are feeling ok.  He was visibly impacted.  Some injuries are a bit funny like that.  Its certain movements that hurt more than others and you can compensate with other muscles in the same leg, particularly the hip flexur, quads and glutes and even calves, but he wasn't charging a lot down like he would have.  Very few points he did it.

Alcaraz played pretty well, Novak just upped the aggression and tried to hit winners at every opportunity.  Don't let a few long rallys later on pain killers change your mind.

Sure he plays the medi time out but this is the first time I've seen him do it where he wasn't rattled. 
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Paul Hewson

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #34 –
Sinner currently making minced meat out of De Minaur.
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Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #35 –
Philippoussis playing exhibition doubles with Hewitt v Baghdatis and Blake, what a magnificent service action. Rolling the arm casually at 185kmh. Poetry.
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2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #36 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Sinner currently making minced meat out of De Minaur.
Tennis has become a sport where unless youre 6 foot 2 and can serve consistently over 200 kms you cant win slams.

Demon gives his all and has talent to compete once a rally is under way but falls short on winning enough free points off his serve and lacks overall power against the top 10 players and those areas imo will
prevent him from ever winning a slam.

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #37 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Sinner currently making minced meat out of De Minaur.
Tennis has become a sport where unless youre 6 foot 2 and can serve consistently over 200 kms you cant win slams.

Demon gives his all and has talent to compete once a rally is under way but falls short on winning enough free points off his serve and lacks overall power against the top 10 players and those areas imo will
prevent him from ever winning a slam.

Agree, qtr finals is the best he'll ever do. Can serve hard 200 kmh + but just doesn't have that last little bit in his game.
Imagine if Kyrgios had De Minaur's work ethic or De Minaur had Kyrgios's physical attributes and skill, we'd be talking about a multiple GS winner.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: shawny – on

Tennis has become a sport where unless youre 6 foot 2 and can serve consistently over 200 kms you cant win slams.

Demon gives his all and has talent to compete once a rally is under way but falls short on winning enough free points off his serve and lacks overall power against the top 10 players and those areas imo will
prevent him from ever winning a slam.

Agree, qtr finals is the best he'll ever do. Can serve hard 200 kmh + but just doesn't have that last little bit in his game.
Imagine if Kyrgios had De Minaur's work ethic or De Minaur had Kyrgios's physical attributes and skill, we'd be talking about a multiple GS winner.

yep 100%. Kyrgios could match it with anyone in the world talent wise but mentally was never even close to where he needed to be.

Sad waste of talent imo.

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #39 –
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.

Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
We'll I felt the protest and outrage was political because to me it felt disproportionate and so I thought it artificial, and now we know it was.

As such calling out disrespect is bogus, because even if not Djoker at least as a bare minimum it was his followers ,who helped create the situation, as such it was fake / synthetic. A false flag. I felt Djoker took advantage of the situation to politicise things, and that's exactly what it turned out to be.

What is more interesting to me is the observation, that even after being exposed as synthetic, some prefer to cling on to racist or discriminatory allegations. That's as bad as flat earth or antivax.

On the subject of tennis, it's sh1r now and will continue to be sh1t until the authorities stop the rorting of injury time as a tactic to kill opposition momentum. Djoker is not omnipotent, he can't walk on water, and yet he keeps having miracle wins after debilitating injuries. If what he is doing is within the rules, then the rules must change, or tennis will be further overtaken by such behaviour, it's already endemic. It's no accident that during the pandemic, when Djoker was without his travelling faithful who serve faithfully to disrupt his opponents, that we witnessed a lot of Djoker duress. The irony for me is that he doesn't need it, he's good enough without it.
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Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #41 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.

Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive?
Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......

Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #42 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.

Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive?
Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......
Playing the Crows in Adelaide or Weagles in Perth not much different....
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Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #43 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive?
Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......

A bit precious EB?

That’s a mighty understatement!

If you look back at how champions like Rafter, Goolagong, Rafa, Barty, Federer, Hingis, Aussie Kim and many others conducted themselves, the petulant, entitled, self-obsessed behaviour of many of today’s tennis players stands out like dog’s bollocks.
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Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9

Reply #44 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I thought Ben Shelton's post match interview was very enlightening.

Have a look at it, its floating around a bit but he calls out disrespect a bit.
Tennis players are a bit precious imo, the questions they get are tame compared to a lot of other sports imo, like how does a question about the local crowd supporting another player, there will be boos coming your way etc become offensive?
Thats a stock standard question in the NBA everytime you play in someone elses gym.......

I dont think he said offensive he said disrespectful.

Was imploring the journalists to ask better questions than focus on monfils being old enough to be his dad or something to that effect.

Ultimately I think the sport has a plethora of issues.

Players don't wave on their way in or out.

When they're genuine people with flaws, they're labelled entitled brats.

The fans make as much noise as they wish and behave in a manner that doesn't fit the previous nature of the sport, so I can't see how you expect the players to do it when the fans can't.  Particularly all the moving around between points. 

There's the mens draw and the women's draw, and th he players are introduced on court as they/them pronouns rather than he/she.  Which is ridiculous.



"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson