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Quote from: Thryleon – on February 01, 2025, 03:18:57 pm

nah we won't go the Italian.  He's the good type of wog.

Aaah the old it's racism defence, I don't think it will help, if he's guilty he's gone!

Is this a Greek vs Italian thing, given Kyrgios has been asserting Sinner's guilt for almost 12 months?

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 01, 2025, 03:18:57 pm

nah we won't go the Italian.  He's the good type of wog.

Aaah the old it's racism defence, I don't think it will help, if he's guilty he's gone!

Is this a Greek vs Italian thing, given Kyrgios has been asserting Sinner's guilt for almost 12 months?

"If he loses he's greek, if he wins he's aussie".

As someone of greek heritage, I can definitely tell you that those which sit on the pope's side of Christianity are derided much less than those who sit on the Byzantine side of Christianity.

The further west you go, the more accepted you become.

This is particularly if you are more culturally aligned to your heritage and hail from the Balkans.

Did I tell you about what I heard from an aussie in the crowd at kokkinakis match this year?

"If he loses he's greek, if he wins he's aussie".

Had a good laugh with his mates.

When kokkinakis saluted and won whilst we were clapping i turned to him and said, and he's greek Australian whether he wins or loses and deserves our support. 

It's not everyone but it exists.  You can disregard it all you like.  It exists.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 01, 2025, 05:38:25 pm

As someone of greek heritage, I can definitely tell you that those which sit on the pope's side of Christianity are derided much less than those who sit on the Byzantine side of Christianity.

The further west you go, the more accepted you become.

This is particularly if you are more culturally aligned to your heritage and hail from the Balkans.

Did I tell you about what I heard from an aussie in the crowd at kokkinakis match this year?

"If he loses he's greek, if he wins he's aussie".

Had a good laugh with his mates.

When kokkinakis saluted and won whilst we were clapping i turned to him and said, and he's greek Australian whether he wins or loses and deserves our support. 

It's not everyone but it exists.  You can disregard it all you like.  It exists.

Going over old ground here but "if he/she wins, he/she is an Aussie" is a fairly common if inappropriate comment among Aussie supporters, regardless of their heritage.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 01, 2025, 05:38:25 pm

"If he loses he's greek, if he wins he's aussie".

As offensive and shallow as it may be, but is it racism?

Those lowly few are minority, but the inclusive "nah we" assertion is global, isn't that also equally racist?

Also that other assertion, "an aussie", appearance based, holding a flag maybe, perhaps had an accent?

you didn't hear the manner in which it was said and the preceding conversation deriding people being there with greek flags.

Like I said it's not everyone, and it does exist. prejudice is prejudice.  See above.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 02, 2025, 01:22:13 pm

you didn't hear the manner in which it was said and the preceding conversation deriding people being there with greek flags.

I don't think that the manner in which it was said is particularly relevant.  It's a poor attempt at humour regardless, and it's not woke.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 02, 2025, 01:22:13 pm

Like I said it's not everyone, and it does exist. prejudice is prejudice.  See above.

Yes, and bigotry is bigotry, but neither are necessarily racist.

right.

Guess I'm just being over sensitive then and this under current is rubbish?

I'll remember to ask you whether or not I'm ok to feel aggrieved or not.

You might want to have a think about the points being argued and what your contention is.  Thus far it appears you're just being contrary but to what point I'm not quite clear of.

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 02, 2025, 08:24:27 pm

right.

Guess I'm just being over sensitive then and this under current is rubbish?

I'll remember to ask you whether or not I'm ok to feel aggrieved or not.

You might want to have a think about the points being argued and what your contention is.  Thus far it appears you're just being contrary but to what point I'm not quite clear of.

I'm not really sure what you're on about here Thry.

Yes, the comment was inappropriate and you have every right to feel aggrieved. 

The "woke" that some folk dislike simply means awareness of social and political issues and the bozo who made the comment is certainly not woke.

However, as LP pointed out, it was not a racist comment.  The Australian Human Rights Commission defines racism as "... the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."

In other words, the comments that quite rightly caused you offence were ignorant, unthinking, prejudiced, and not woke, but not racist.

Maybe have a read of the original comments.  I thought I was confused but I dont think woke is part of this conversation

Talking about the blurred lines between racism-bigotry-sexism-predjudice and privilege etc the Kerr trial is an interesting follow