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Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #105


Last week’s result confirmed that no team is guaranteed a win regardless of the opposition.

We won’t win if we repeat the inexplicable skill errors and poor decision-making of last week.  Hopefully, that was an aberration and we’ll see AFL standard footy from everyone who runs out tomorrow night.  If we can achieve that, we’re in with a good chance.

Agree, but we must get bang for our buck; we must get reward for effort. I have absolutely no doubt that had we have been more efficient in front of goal against the Tiggers we'd have got the choccies... we won most metrics but were horribly inefficient which sapped system and confidence.

I would include that under skill errors and poor decision-making Shane.

What’s worse for momentum sapping, missing a sitter after a well-executed build up or handpassing/kicking to an opponent for a gimme goal? 

How about a good chain of possessions for a deep inside 50 that comes straight back out?

One thing that must happen is making sure that our water joeys haven’t been filling their bottles with our players’ bath water.  I suspect that there was a significant volume of that swallowed during the quarter time break last week.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #106

I think we can win as it's a two horse race but it's never about rebound wins it's about the consistency afterwards and if we can sustain the effort needed to be a good team you can trust.
I'm expecting our best players to show some leadership and put up a much better effort.
I listened to Hird on TV last night talk about how we could win (and thought we could):
- Outnumber - Tackle numbers and Pressure (increase numbers and ganging up on oppo players (showed how Coll double and triple teamed oppo this week compared to the GWS game). Must take away Haw's space and time by outnumbering them at the contest. Coll tackle diff went from -20 to +26.

Honestly, i think this is a problem that will work against us.

Tigers used their run to take advantage of any outnumbers.

When we went to double team players, they shot out the handball to the free runner and they were off to the races.

Hawks are very good on the run and spread and overlap.
We are slow and if we are overly aggressive it will come back to bite us in spades against the hawks.


Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #108

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The Hawks were beaten at stoppages in their win over Essendon last Friday, prompting Mitchell to declare the way they won “not sustainable” post game.

Carlton still won the clearance battle despite its disastrous loss to Richmond, and Mitchell is factoring it into his preparation for this week.

“It’s certainly one of the areas we’re looking at, we lost clearance by nearly 20 last week,” he said.

“Everyone has been pretty hard on Carlton but they won the inside 50 count by 25, won time in forward half by more than any other team in the round and managed to lose the game.

“They got a lot right but they just weren’t able to finish it. We don’t think Carlton are a reflection of that single game, it’s still early in the season.”

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #109
The Hawks were beaten at stoppages in their win over Essendon last Friday, prompting Mitchell to declare the way they won “not sustainable” post game.

Carlton still won the clearance battle despite its disastrous loss to Richmond, and Mitchell is factoring it into his preparation for this week.

“It’s certainly one of the areas we’re looking at, we lost clearance by nearly 20 last week,” he said.

“Everyone has been pretty hard on Carlton but they won the inside 50 count by 25, won time in forward half by more than any other team in the round and managed to lose the game.

“They got a lot right but they just weren’t able to finish it. We don’t think Carlton are a reflection of that single game, it’s still early in the season.”

Mitchell is right, we should have won that game comfortably but, as someone pointed out in the pre-game thread, the team that kicks the most goals usually wins.

We can't afford not to capitalise on our inside 50s, apart from reward for effort and limiting Hawthorn's rebound from defence, scoreboard pressure can appear as an extra player on the field.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!


Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #111
Apart from a win, what are we most wanting to see us deliver tomorrow night?
(me: efficiency).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #112
The Hawks were beaten at stoppages in their win over Essendon last Friday, prompting Mitchell to declare the way they won “not sustainable” post game.

Carlton still won the clearance battle despite its disastrous loss to Richmond, and Mitchell is factoring it into his preparation for this week.

“It’s certainly one of the areas we’re looking at, we lost clearance by nearly 20 last week,” he said.

“Everyone has been pretty hard on Carlton but they won the inside 50 count by 25, won time in forward half by more than any other team in the round and managed to lose the game.

“They got a lot right but they just weren’t able to finish it. We don’t think Carlton are a reflection of that single game, it’s still early in the season.”

Mitchell is right, we should have won that game comfortably but, as someone pointed out in the pre-game thread, the team that kicks the most goals usually wins.

We can't afford not to capitalise on our inside 50s, apart from reward for effort and limiting Hawthorn's rebound from defence, scoreboard pressure can appear as an extra player on the field.
Statistically maybe, but I didnt see us looking like a team that was cutting our opposition to shreds, and was far too easy to score against.

Ignore Mitchell's comments for a moment.  He has called up CJ back to the team.  Whats his go?

Rebound 50's (he is VERY good at it).  Of course he wants us to flood forward, and then counter punch, so he is encouraging us to "do it again" so he can rope a dope.

IMHO, we need to do the opposite.  Turn it into a stoppage game, and play more precise footy.  Feck around with it, and make Hawthorn chase the ball over the park. Their strength is rebound running and quick ball movement.  Starve them of the ball, make them chase it whilst we "hold the line" for want of a better idea.

We need to play the opposite of fast football.  The problem I see is that our skills are also quite deplorable so this wont work for us.

I see no way we win this game, particularly if the deck is wet.

Hawthorn by 40 points.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #113
Forecast is for wind and rain. Conditions which usually impact on a teams skillset. Our skillset was horrific last week. Imagine how bad we are this week.
Whorethorn by 60+

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #114
So after the worst effort in 30 years we make 1 change.
Charlie in and Evans out
FMD

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #115
Mac-Godawful and Haynes should buy lottery tickets tonight, very very lucky
Perform tomorrow or faaaark off.
Yep, we have the most conservative, risk averse MC of any sporting team on the planet.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #116
I actually don't mind it.
The MC have put it on the players.
It's an opportunity for 'redemption'.
Players will hopefully understand that another meek performance will not be acceptable.
We'll learn a bit about a few tomorrow night.


Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #117
Fine.
Redeem or clean out your locker.
No more BS, line has to be drawn.  Put up or fark off.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #118
Not surprised. MC true to form, conservative with questionable trust and fear of boldness.

Tall in for a small out, in wet slippery conditions. Goodonya.

Really pleased to see Doc in the starting 22, in the forward line!!! Love it. I was shouting at the TV last week... "put Doc up forward and sub Motlop!" He has natural smarts around goal and would be a headache for any mid sized defender.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #119
I actually don't mind it.
The MC have put it on the players.
It's an opportunity for 'redemption'.
Players will hopefully understand that another meek performance will not be acceptable.
We'll learn a bit about a few tomorrow night.

Yes, I'm not really a fan of using omission as a punitive measure, after one solitary game. I like the idea you hear from some coaches that players get a block of games to find their place in the best 22. If you are going to be consistent with dropping players who did not play well, 2/3 of that team would be out.