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Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #30 –
One of the goals hawthorn got was from a blatant throw too out of traffic.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #31 –
No way I would be giving up on our boys/the season. Nuh.

We got a hold of the Dawks in important moments with our relentless pressure. Unfortunately we couldn't take full advantage of our excellent efforts due to ordinary disposal/option choices and general inefficiency - again. I seldom comment on umpiring because I believe it eventually evens itself out, but the Hollywood Hawks absolutely got the rub of the green and in a 20pt game, that can be a goal or two. The number of times the Dawks got away with sly shepherding in marking contests was an obvious strategy and umps have got to wake up to it.

The Dawks are an excellent, well drilled and disciplined side (who cunningly manipulate rules to fool umps) with everyone on the same page... for now. Let's see how they hold up over the next 20+ weeks.

I was actually buoyed by our performance... and frustrated. Defensively strong, great intensity, but still need to get a winning mindset, which will come with efficiency - you can be too defensive/risk averse - makes you too predictable.

Positives: *I actually thought Young was valuable, he improved as the night wore on and helped free up Weiters (a strategy the Dawks took on - to isolate and reduce the influence of Weiters). *Strong response to the Tiggers game against a bona fide top 4 side in good form. *JSOS is our 3rd tall forward, brings great effort, smarts and will improve. *Hewett, Cripps, TDK, Ollie in defence and Cerra. *Mots worked hard but needs another string to his bow, needs reward for effort for us to see his best. *Haynes and Gov improved but need to get better still. When Gov cuts loose, offensively, he's at his best and dangerous. *Good to see Saady take on the game at times, can really break a game open.


Negatives: *Cow looks down on form/confidence. *Are the selectors sadists, putting Doc around the middle or in defence? He's struggling but given a little time could well develop into a dangerous forward - A perfect Owies role replacement. * Kemp. Not a forward. FK what we do with him. *Fog is not hurting the opposition with possessions - one dimensional, negating only. *Acres - well below his best. *Charles. Others might see his performance as a negative. I don't. Step back and take a broader view - it was his first hit out against an opposition side for the season, in ordinary conditions... he drew opponents and competed adequately. Expectations he'd kick 5 and be at his best are silly. Patience Grasshopper.

It's a long season, and I'm optimistic... if we bring the same effort and intensity against the Dishlickers + efficiency we'll win well.

Fingers crossed that Will White and Matty Carroll put in good games tonight, Will could be just the type of opportunist our forward line needs (to replace Fog) and Matty's class and run out of defence would be important (to replace Cow - who needs to regain confidence and touch in the Magoos). If H returns next week, Kemp back to the Magoos as a key defender.





Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #32 –
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/happy-with-our-fight-blues-coach-satisfied-despite-quiet-outing-from-star-forward/ar-AA1BkJlR?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=ed34535ab88b49ff8db455c1f116e8f1&ei=9

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“They turned up their intensity a bit, started asking questions, but I was pretty happy with our fight,” he said.

“There was a fair bit of determination within our group throughout the night.

“I don’t know, moments, take a contested mark, maybe there’s an inside 50 we don’t quite hit or a goal we don’t quite finish.

“Often in those games that’s what it comes down to, they come down to moments, there was plenty of swings in that game.

“There was some swings that went in our favour and some that went in Hawthorn’s favour, both teams were able to swing it back.

“I can’t ignore they were able to execute for a bit longer at times and it was probably the difference in the end.”

How the hell can Voss be "happy" with that ???

We lost, no-one should ever be happy about losing.

This seems to be the big difference between us and the teams who are genuinely contending, we are content with our falling short efforts whilst the other clubs would be bitterly disappointed.

This malaise and acceptance of defeat will see Vossy shown the door, nothing is surer.   
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #33 –
Taking away the supporter emotion....I thought it was really good game to watch.
It wasn't pretty in parts but it was a good tough contest by contrasting styles of football.
In the end the skillful disposal and run beat the contest and pressure...and lack of efficency

Assuming they didn't all catch the Harry bug, the looks of exhaustion on some of our players showed they were giving their all.
Cripps and TDK looked stuffed at times but kept going to the contests.
Doc was shattered and on his haunches after one contest and that was a bit of a sad sight.
And young Lucas throwing up at one of the bounces wasn't nerves...despite what BT said.
(thought the Hawks handled him beautifully in the Roaming Brian segment)

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #34 –
I'd like to point out something to everyone .....

Last year's final against Brisbane, we were held scoreless in the first quarter, kicked two in the second quarter & three in the third quarter (five goals overall in three quarters).

In the first game against Richmond, we kicked two goals in the second, 1 goal in the third & 1 goal in the last (4 goals overall in three quarters).

Last night against the Hawks, we kicked two goals in the first quarter, two goals in the third quarter and zero goals in the last quarter (4 goals in three quarters).

Adding those all together, in 1.5 matches, we have managed the stellar total of 13 goals which is not enough to beat the Little League at half-time. 

Seriously, we are kidding ourselves if we think this sort of utter crap is going to get us into finals contentions, we are so far off the pace it is embarrassing.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #35 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
I'd like to point out something to everyone .....

Last year's final against Brisbane, we were held scoreless in the first quarter, kicked two in the second quarter & three in the third quarter (five goals overall in three quarters).

In the first game against Richmond, we kicked two goals in the second, 1 goal in the third & 1 goal in the last (4 goals overall in three quarters).

Last night against the Hawks, we kicked two goals in the first quarter, two goals in the third quarter and zero goals in the last quarter (4 goals in three quarters).

Adding those all together, in 1.5 matches, we have managed the stellar total of 13 goals which is not enough to beat the Little League at half-time. 

Seriously, we are kidding ourselves if we think this sort of utter crap is going to get us into finals contentions, we are so far off the pace it is embarrassing.

The common factor in all those games though is that either Harry or Charlie has been missing.
And when they've played they've both been below their best.
Our structure, the one that works well, is missing.
With those two playing it also takes a better defensive effort from the opposition and frees up other players to score.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #36 –
Anyone notice 3 ex Carlton personnel at the Hawks, Ratten, Hickmont & Simpson.
Not good enough to get a gig at Carlton???

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on

We have not out run a team for a long time, and our match fitness is a problem. Either that or our game style is too taxing.
This ^. We over use the ball and make dumb decisions which depletes the energy coz you’re constantly chasing to make up for errant ball use! The few times we kicked into our f50 flat and low, were successful and presumably require the least effort.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
One of the goals hawthorn got was from a blatant throw too out of traffic.
Was that the one the saw a Dawk on the ground near the top of the arc throw the ball backwards out of the bottom of the pack, the umpire was standing to the left of screen with a direct line of sight and didn't call it.

If not, then there was two!

A lot of these super quick disposals I've been talking about are technically throws, the umpiring emphasis has change from being a clear unambiguous correct disposal to it's a disposal unless obviously not.

The other one that gets me is this new, "Made an attempt to kick play on" rubbish, it's impossible to umpire as it's subjective to rule on. Last night their were Dawks caught or pushed off the footy that had already run 4 or 5 steps, and when tackled missed the ball with an attempted kick by 1/2 a metre.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #39 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
I'd like to point out something to everyone .....

Last year's final against Brisbane, we were held scoreless in the first quarter, kicked two in the second quarter & three in the third quarter (five goals overall in three quarters).

In the first game against Richmond, we kicked two goals in the second, 1 goal in the third & 1 goal in the last (4 goals overall in three quarters).

Last night against the Hawks, we kicked two goals in the first quarter, two goals in the third quarter and zero goals in the last quarter (4 goals in three quarters).

Adding those all together, in 1.5 matches, we have managed the stellar total of 13 goals which is not enough to beat the Little League at half-time. 

Seriously, we are kidding ourselves if we think this sort of utter crap is going to get us into finals contentions, we are so far off the pace it is embarrassing.

The fwd line structure/positioning, the fwd line occupants (bar SOS who is meant to be a defender) and the entries into it are not up to standard. We make it extremely easy for defenders to thwart and repel our attacks (if you can call them that).
Fix the above and combined with the effort and pressure from last night we will win some games.

Having said that, the ball came to ground a lot so Motlop (1.3) and Williams (2.0) can pack their bags, quality small forwards would have dined out on that last night. They are simply not up it. Many will say they got into the game and played well. Williams was largely unsighted for very long periods, Motlop got it 19 times but FIIK what he did with it, he isn't clean with his hands, spills/fumbles the first touch more often than not and for a bloke his size, he seems very average below the knees. Williams just isn't desperate enough for me, the few times he went near it he seemed very timid, it takes zero skill to see loose ball get loose ball, just desire and he doesnt seem to have enough. Especially given our predicament of 2 wins from the last 11. Our problem is we have no replacements for these two so they will play week in week out and will be frustrated week in week out. Not gonna whinge about players we let go but ....
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #40 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Free Kick Hawthorn is a thing and I have a theory. Their jumper colours are such that the umpire see clearly even the slightest tug or hold. In contrast, our darker jumper may may it hard to see the same things. Just a theory, might be complete BS but that's what my eye saw last night. The free against Gov for HTB at CHB was also complete rubbish. He had no prior, was pushed forward in the tackle, like a secondary motion and they blew the whistle. Pretty sure a goal resulted.
Free kick Hawthorn might be true, but it is not as damaging as no free kick Carlton. I watched Hardwick, Day, Maginness, Weddle all pick up the pill like McGovern, run further without contact only to be tackled without disposal and not get penalised.

This picture tells a story, the slightest brush of an arm against Watson, Newcombe or Amon and they earn a free, Charlie, Cripps, McGovern get their head ripped off and it's play on. There was one in the last quarter between Meek and TDK that was shocking, Meek basically propped and stiff-armed TDK to the face with the umpire standing in the frame watching, play on!



Fu^k I HATE Whorethorne
Surely we need to ask for clarification on the Umpiring?????
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #41 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
Fu^k I HATE Whorethorne
Surely we need to ask for clarification on the Umpiring?????
What for? It's like players telling umpires to watch the replay on the scoreboard, they never ever do and they never ever change their mind. It doesnt even influence their next decision, simply futile.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #42 –
Most disappointing for me was this morning hearing Voss praising our endeavour!
Geez I’ve just had 25 years of hanging my hat on courageous losses and don’t need a return to those days.
It seems to me that our game style at the moment of get it and kick it as far as we can so it can be the next blokes hot potato has been worked out by everyone else. When we made the finals two years ago we played a fast game of linking overlapping play that the hawks and GWS have taken to the next level we on the other hand have gone back to not taking risks through the middle and trusting every player to play their role in the chain.
I read in the paper this morning our only two wins in the last 11 games was against eagles and Roos!
The proof is in the pudding right there

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #43 –
at least they set the tone early -  hawks first goal from the free kick against crippa at the bounce (where crippa put his hand up for the ball, as he legitimately thought it was his kick),   then TDKs goal of the year taken off him, for ????.   both in the first couple of minutes of the match.  let us know exactly what was going to happen all match.     fckn afl love children, hawks...... 

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #44 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
I'd like to point out something to everyone .....

Last year's final against Brisbane, we were held scoreless in the first quarter, kicked two in the second quarter & three in the third quarter (five goals overall in three quarters).

In the first game against Richmond, we kicked two goals in the second, 1 goal in the third & 1 goal in the last (4 goals overall in three quarters).

Last night against the Hawks, we kicked two goals in the first quarter, two goals in the third quarter and zero goals in the last quarter (4 goals in three quarters).

Adding those all together, in 1.5 matches, we have managed the stellar total of 13 goals which is not enough to beat the Little League at half-time. 

Seriously, we are kidding ourselves if we think this sort of utter crap is going to get us into finals contentions, we are so far off the pace it is embarrassing.

The common factor in all those games though is that either Harry or Charlie has been missing.
And when they've played they've both been below their best.
Our structure, the one that works well, is missing.
With those two playing it also takes a better defensive effort from the opposition and frees up other players to score.


yep - we struggle to kick goals when the 2 best forwards in the comp dont play / play hurt.   not rocket science