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Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #150 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
I’d still persevere with Moir, they gifted him 1 game, to not gift him a couple, is in my opinion counterproductive.

Gifting one game might be excusable but rewarding a witch’s hat is not.  At 0-4, we can’t afford to play passengers.

I still have high hopes for Moir - his pre-season was very promising - but he needs to dominate in the VFL.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #151 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: northernblue – on
I’d still persevere with Moir, they gifted him 1 game, to not gift him a couple, is in my opinion counterproductive.

Gifting one game might be excusable but rewarding a witch’s hat is not. 
100% this, he wasn't exactly tearing down the door at selection, he was virtually a witches hat in the 2s and Bradbury'd over the line for a game.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #152 –
Our line-up for Saturday:

B: [1] Jack Silvagni  [23] Jacob Weitering  [26] Nick Haynes
HB:  [42] Adam Saad  [11] Mitch McGovern  [6] Zac Williams
C:  [13] Blake Acres  [9] Patrick Cripps  [5] Adam Cerra
HF:  [8] Lachie Fogarty  [10] Harry McKay  [15] Sam Docherty
F:  [46] Matthew Cottrell  [30] Charlie Curnow  [3] Jesse Motlop
R:  [12] Tom De Koning  [29] George Hewett  [18] Sam Walsh
Int:  [32] Matthew Carroll  [4] Oliver Hollands  [17] Brodie Kemp  [19] Corey Durdin  [38] Will White

Em:  [20] Elijah Hollands  [33] Lewis Young  [36] Cooper Lord

I'd be starting Walsh on the wing, rather than in the middle.
I can't see Williams in defence.
Doc: if he can get 30 decent possessions rather than the rubbish he had last week, then he could turn the game. Not sure if he has it in him any longer: he's lost that yard of pace and is not making great decisions.
Charlie and H usually dine out on the Weagle defenders, but neither would be as fit as they usually are. I hope they can find form, as we need them badly.
Fog is lucky to be there. He hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't kicked goals.
Elijah looked a week away last week, but not having a game this week hurts him. A 25+ possessions game in the 2'd would have been very handy.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #153 –
Got to feel for Young, had to bust his guts against the good sides and then dropped for the easier ones.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #154 –
I don't see how the named side sends any messages about "standards".  Ollie Hollands was in the best and has been relegated to the bench.  Thanks for your efforts.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #155 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I don't see how the named side sends any messages about "standards".  Ollie Hollands was in the best and has been relegated to the bench.  Thanks for your efforts.

I’m not sure that players are “relegated to the bench” these days Prof.  If Ollie does start the game on the pine, it will only be a matter of minutes before he’s on the field.

The players would have a very different understanding of their roles, opponents and interchange patterns than what we may glean from the largely fictional lineups clubs put out.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #156 –
I don't see how dropping kids after one game helps us long term, sure Moir was a traffic cone but Lord at least tries.  I reckon Young is a scapegoat for others too. 

I re-watched the clip this week which showed Alan Richard chasing a loose ball, and Voss comes in,  and without any mercy absolutely and ruthlessly nails him.  Totally fair, totally unnecessary...but it made a hell of a statement at the time.  So it's pretty clear how M. Voss regards the contest. 

Yet we select a side which includes blokes not committing 100% to contests, but Voss talks about "standards".  Sorry Michael, but the selections I see aren't matching the talk.  Keep picking the same names, keep seeing the same old behaviours.  I was thinking after last week's presser that we might actually see a line in the sand moment.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #157 –
Quote
Dangerfield took in what the laconic, occasionally distracted, always capable Cameron had to say.

“He said ‘this is what we are paid to do. This is the time to turn the game’,” Dangerfield recalled post patch.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #158 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Doc: if he can get 30 decent possessions rather than the rubbish he had last week, then he could turn the game. Not sure if he has it in him any longer: he's lost that yard of pace and is not making great decisions.

I can't recall a 30 possession game that had less positive impact on the outcome.  I suspect that it's time that Doc and the MC accepted his limitations and refined his role.  I think that he still has something to offer but it's not racking up inconsequential disposals.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #159 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: crashlander – on
Doc: if he can get 30 decent possessions rather than the rubbish he had last week, then he could turn the game. Not sure if he has it in him any longer: he's lost that yard of pace and is not making great decisions.

I can't recall a 30 possession game that had less positive impact on the outcome.  I suspect that it's time that Doc and the MC accepted his limitations and refined his role.  I think that he still has something to offer but it's not racking up inconsequential disposals.

I tend to agree with a lot of the criticism.
I also think, like a few of his team-mates, he's a little down on confidence.
Missing a year with injury is probably also a little bit harder to come back from at his age than when you're younger.
'Avoiding contact' is a thing you don't attach to Docherty at his best.
But as it comes for all of us, his best is behind him.

Does he still have something to offer?

I'm not sure just what is the best way to use him.
He's finding the ball.
He's gaining territory.
He gained 671 metres with his disposals last weekend.
That was the best of both teams and over 100metres more than the second best which was Zac Williams (which may tell a tale about territory vs impact)
Yep,
The problem  was that the territory gained was countered by disposal that saw the ball coming straight back the other way.

It's a dilemma.
It may be his best contribution would be as a "playing" assistant coach at VFL level.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #160 –
how can E Hollands be an emergency What has  his Done / he needs to play 3 wks in reserves earn a spot JOKE

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #161 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: DJC – on


I can't recall a 30 possession game that had less positive impact on the outcome.  I suspect that it's time that Doc and the MC accepted his limitations and refined his role.  I think that he still has something to offer but it's not racking up inconsequential disposals.

I tend to agree with a lot of the criticism.
I also think, like a few of his team-mates, he's a little down on confidence.
Missing a year with injury is probably also a little bit harder to come back from at his age than when you're younger.
'Avoiding contact' is a thing you don't attach to Docherty at his best.
But as it comes for all of us, his best is behind him.

Does he still have something to offer?

I'm not sure just what is the best way to use him.
He's finding the ball.
He's gaining territory.
He gained 671 metres with his disposals last weekend.
That was the best of both teams and over 100metres more than the second best which was Zac Williams (which may tell a tale about territory vs impact)
Yep,
The problem  was that the territory gained was countered by disposal that saw the ball coming straight back the other way.

It's a dilemma.
It may be his best contribution would be as a "playing" assistant coach at VFL level.

Doc is well past his best and in his final year but FMD i wish we ripped into others on the list as much as this bloke.  Fans puts their arms around Harry and fair enough and also most support a highly paid bloke who cant control his drug habit yet no such going easy on Docherty who has heaps more runs on the board. I agree his last game last year and his 4 this year have been below standard but he is hardly on his own. How do the likes of McGovern's, Saad, Acres, Motlop, Williams, Haynes, Fogerty, Fantansa, Durdin, Young and i could go on get away with sub standard performances year after year?

That's one group of over rated footballers if ever ive seen one

And lets not forget our so called A grader 'Leaders' in Charlie, Cerra, Walsh and even Cripps who's salaries should have them being a lot more accountable for what they have provided us in 2025

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #162 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Lods – on


I tend to agree with a lot of the criticism.
I also think, like a few of his team-mates, he's a little down on confidence.
Missing a year with injury is probably also a little bit harder to come back from at his age than when you're younger.
'Avoiding contact' is a thing you don't attach to Docherty at his best.
But as it comes for all of us, his best is behind him.

Does he still have something to offer?

I'm not sure just what is the best way to use him.
He's finding the ball.
He's gaining territory.
He gained 671 metres with his disposals last weekend.
That was the best of both teams and over 100metres more than the second best which was Zac Williams (which may tell a tale about territory vs impact)
Yep,
The problem  was that the territory gained was countered by disposal that saw the ball coming straight back the other way.

It's a dilemma.
It may be his best contribution would be as a "playing" assistant coach at VFL level.

Doc is well past his best and in his final year but FMD i wish we ripped into others on the list as much as this bloke.  Fans puts their arms around Harry and fair enough and also most support a highly paid bloke who cant control his drug habit yet no such going easy on Docherty who has heaps more runs on the board. I agree his last game last year and his 4 this year have been below standard but he is hardly on his own. How do the likes of McGovern's, Saad, Acres, Motlop, Williams, Haynes, Fogerty, Fantansa, Durdin, Young and i could go on get away with sub standard performances year after year?

That's one group of over rated footballers if ever ive seen one

And lets not forget our so called A grader 'Leaders' in Charlie, Cerra, Walsh and even Cripps who's salaries should have them being a lot more accountable for what they have provided us in 2025



Isn't it the coach's responsibility to get the most out of his players?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #163 –
Large crowd at Glenelg oval this afternoon for Captain's Run.  Probably only meant to be a light run, but group fairly languid with some showing kicking skills to match!  Adam Saad looked more professional in a quick fire handball session with Vossy.
Noticed Jaxon Binns (25) training, not sure if significant. Certainly a slim build at this stage. Emergencies Lord, E. Holland and Young trained.  Harry Mackay looked to be kicking for goal well. It will be interesting to see his impact tomorrow.
The young supporters certainly were enjoying getting signatures from the players after the run through.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow. :)

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Gather Round

Reply #164 –
Nice work Ab. Thanks.