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Cottrell is injured for one.
Carroll and Lemmey haven't played a game yet and form doesn't warrant it.
Not sure where you are expecting lemmey to even play since you've got Charlie, Harry and Kemp already in the forwardline.

Quote from: LordLucifer – on April 07, 2025, 09:57:16 pm

Quite clearly, some of you just don't get it and probably never will.

I''m not going to waste my time spelling it out for you either.

Oh please do. Educate us with your pull a name out of a hat strategy. 
"Tada" that's better.
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Quote from: northernblue – on April 07, 2025, 06:11:16 pm

So tell us which senior players and their replacements and why they’ll improve things…?
I mean Moir had a ripper game on Friday after kicking the selection door down.

Maybe there is nothing to bring in, how about changing some roles (within reason). E.g. The turnover stats for Gov are horrible, 17 (worst in the comp) and 7 have directly resulted in goals to the opposition (that's 42 points of our 58 point total losing margin).  Thats unsustainable. Im sure they are working with him to rectify this however if it continues, there must be a tipping point surely.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 07, 2025, 06:26:13 pm

Maybe there is nothing to bring in, how about changing some roles (within reason). E.g. The turnover stats for Gov are horrible, 17 (worst in the comp) and 7 have directly resulted in goals to the opposition (that's 42 points of our 58 point total losing margin).  Thats unsustainable. Im sure they are working with him to rectify this however if it continues, there must be a tipping point surely.

there is something going on there.  he has always been a bit flaky, but last year he was actually pretty good, with minimal brainfades.   this year, he is dropping uncontested marks and making really bad decisions.   

maybe there is something going on at the club that we dont know about - the H and Lij problems, a number of prime movers down (some beacuse of injuries etc) - just too many issues at the moment....

Yes, I've been wondering the same Mil. Maybe some off field issues.

The club need to set standards at selection this week and drop players who won't contest properly and bail out on contests.  Voss has to set those standards or we won't ever improve.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 08, 2025, 11:05:38 am

The club need to set standards at selection this week and drop players who won't contest properly and bail out on contests.  Voss has to set those standards or we won't ever improve.

Hooray & amen !!

Perfectly stated Brother Elwood, its all about standards and always should be.

I understand where you are coming from Thry but it sounds like the gambler playing the roulette wheel, stick with it and eventually your winning number will come up.

At present, there is a malaise & complacency amongst the group, they know they are never going to get dropped which gives them an out. They are professional sportsmen (and earning a very good living out of it) but if you & I kept delivering the same lame efforts, we'd get sacked, they just get another game & fat paycheque. 

As an example, Sam Walsh had 174 metres gained on the weekend, even TDK had more than that and he's a goddam ruckman. For me, they are allowing the players to dictate terms & coast along with no penalty.

Another example is Fogarty who plays as a small forward. Since joining Carlton, he has played 51 games but only kicked 19 goals, way under half a goal a game. Again, his output is woeful for a small forward (given his primary job is to kick goals), however, he is averaging 5 tackles a game which is in the elite category. Clearly he has strong desire to chase, be physical & attack the player with the ball, this makes him an ideal small defender IMO. We always get cleaned up by the good small forwards, we have never had anyone capable of keeping Elliott etc in check. Maybe we have one right under our nose but will never find out if we don't try it.

Looking at Boyd, I'm not a huge fan but many others are. He goes where 'angels fear to tread' sometimes putting his own safety in jeopardy plus he is a very good kick. We have tried a gazillion small forwards yet none of them have come close to being the next Eddie Betts (yes, they are lofty heights to achieve) but once again, maybe we have one in our midst but don't know unless we give it a trial.      

By dropping some non-performers to the VFL & rewarding those in the VFL who are (normally that is) performing to a high level creates competition for positions plus ensures there is a little more desperation in the contest & chase.

Furthermore, trialling a couple of players in new roles could have major benefits for us, if they don't work then so be it, we haven't lost anything. 

FFS, we have flipped Silvagni & Kemp around which has had some success so we should be more open to reinventing player roles.

We don't have to be cavalier and reckless about this, just work smarter, not harder.

Quote from: LordLucifer – on April 08, 2025, 11:21:37 am

Hooray & amen !!

Perfectly stated Brother Elwood, its all about standards and always should be.

Ours have slipped LL, Mitchell would have gone ballistic if Hawks players bailed on contests or stopped chasing but Voss puts up with it because we have so many high paid Bambi's who think they can get away with slacking off.
It's embarrassing and tells you where the list is at and even the commentators can see it during games.
I want to see Voss call it out,  be brave at selection and shoot a few Bambi's and get control of the list and raise the bar.

Another example is Fogarty who plays as a small forward. Since joining Carlton, he has played 51 games but only kicked 19 goals, way under half a goal a game. Again, his output is woeful for a small forward (given his primary job is to kick goals), however, he is averaging 5 tackles a game which is in the elite category. Clearly he has strong desire to chase, be physical & attack the player with the ball, this makes him an ideal small defender IMO. We always get cleaned up by the good small forwards, we have never had anyone capable of keeping Elliott etc in check. Maybe we have one right under our nose but will never find out if we don't try it.