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Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #75


Also allows us to be more flexible with Cripps. Can let him go forward a bit more often where he can be dangerous. He'll likely go there more and more as he gets older.

Kennedy should've been made to be a 3rd tall forward who can back up the midfield. Swap with cripps so we always have a 3rd tall marking target and a tough inside mid between them. Leave Hewett as a full time mid.

Could've worked with all of them, but Kennedy drew the short straw.

Yeah, nah!

Apart from a couple of games earlier on in his career with us, Kennedy was a failure when tried as a third tall forward. 

You have to break eggs to make an omelette and Kennedy had an oeuf opportunities. We're looking far more likely to kick winning scores with forwards Williams, Motlop, Hollands and Fogarty each spending time in the midfield.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #76
Unfortunately for Matt (and I was really sorry to see him go), he wanted to play midfield, but he was a slightly-less-good clone of Cerra, Hewett and Cripps, and had no x-factor like Elijah.  If you have a midfield that collectively moves as fast as treacle, you may win the contest, but you get chopped up when the ball is on the move.

Jagga Smith was going to change that mix (ffs!), we'll have to wait until 2026 to see how it works.  Meantime, they have thrown Motlop in for the odd centre bounce, and the initial results appear promising.

You can't keep them all.......
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #77
Unfortunately for Matt (and I was really sorry to see him go), he wanted to play midfield, but he was a slightly-less-good clone of Cerra, Hewett and Cripps, and had no x-factor like Elijah.  If you have a midfield that collectively moves as fast as treacle, you may win the contest, but you get chopped up when the ball is on the move.

Jagga Smith was going to change that mix (ffs!), we'll have to wait until 2026 to see how it works.  Meantime, they have thrown Motlop in for the odd centre bounce, and the initial results appear promising.

You can't keep them all.......
Exactly right, move on.
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2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #78
Yeah we looked a little too one paced with Kennedy and Hewett in there and Hewett had more defensive side to his game.

I dont think anyone here wanted kennedy to go and i was a but shocked when it happened but there may have been extenuating circumstances surrounding contract demands there too that might have led to his departure.

Maybe it was the dollars and maybe it was the years, but I think kenedy is a competitor.  We stuck by him through a few injuries and transformed him into something he isn't but he's in that demographic of player we needed to start moving on or transition to lesser roles. He complements the bulldogs.  He's like Jack mcrae but more offensive a weapon.  He's still not very quick and there's only so many of those you can carry.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #79
It's funny how supporters who were anticipating a loss to North Melbourne are now saying that we only beat North  :)

It seems to me that something was out of whack at the start of the season.  Whether it was the loss of players who were set for key roles, players adjusting to new roles, the new strength and conditioning regime, the consumption of too much bathwater, or a combination of factors, we simply weren't switched on for four quarters and lost games that most of us would have pencilled in for Ws.

I felt that the coaching panel didn't try to address all of our shortcomings in one hit but focused on one step at a time.  We got a little better with each game and it took four games and a relatively weak opponent in West Coast for us to get to where we should have been in Round 1.  North Melbourne felt the full force of a re-energised team playing its brand of footy.

Of course, all of that will mean nothing if we can't build on that performance when we take on the Cats.

Positives for me at this stage are our defence (both individually and team), the midfield (without a huge input from Cripps), and the the forward line as it functioned in the last game.  Small forwards who can hit the scoreboard, apply defensive pressure, and do their bit in the midfield are invaluable.  It's easy to see why Durdin got that contract extension.  Let's hope he can stay fit and maintain that form. 

Kemp was showing signs of working out as our third tall forward before his cruel injury.  Silvagni looks like he was always meant to play in defence and good on him for suggesting the change in role.

The other self-initiated role changer is Williams and his footy smarts are paying dividends in our forward line.  He was also able to perform adequately in defence when Cowan did his hammy and his spells in the midfield have been good.  Like Durds, Zac has to stay on the park.

The De Koning versus Xerri clash was interesting.  Despite the commentators gushing over the King's work, it was a fairly close contest with Xerri taking the honours at throw ins and Tom dominating the centre bounces.  Of course, Tom has a better highlights reel and he did make it hard for Xerri's taps to reach their targets.

The bottom line is that we had a very good win over a team that would have made us pay if we had played as we did in the first three rounds.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #80
It's funny how supporters who were anticipating a loss to North Melbourne are now saying that we only beat North  :)

It seems to me that something was out of whack at the start of the season.  Whether it was the loss of players who were set for key roles, players adjusting to new roles, the new strength and conditioning regime, the consumption of too much bathwater, or a combination of factors, we simply weren't switched on for four quarters and lost games that most of us would have pencilled in for Ws.

I felt that the coaching panel didn't try to address all of our shortcomings in one hit but focused on one step at a time.  We got a little better with each game and it took four games and a relatively weak opponent in West Coast for us to get to where we should have been in Round 1.  North Melbourne felt the full force of a re-energised team playing its brand of footy.

Of course, all of that will mean nothing if we can't build on that performance when we take on the Cats.

Positives for me at this stage are our defence (both individually and team), the midfield (without a huge input from Cripps), and the the forward line as it functioned in the last game.  Small forwards who can hit the scoreboard, apply defensive pressure, and do their bit in the midfield are invaluable.  It's easy to see why Durdin got that contract extension.  Let's hope he can stay fit and maintain that form. 

Kemp was showing signs of working out as our third tall forward before his cruel injury.  Silvagni looks like he was always meant to play in defence and good on him for suggesting the change in role.

The other self-initiated role changer is Williams and his footy smarts are paying dividends in our forward line.  He was also able to perform adequately in defence when Cowan did his hammy and his spells in the midfield have been good.  Like Durds, Zac has to stay on the park.

The De Koning versus Xerri clash was interesting.  Despite the commentators gushing over the King's work, it was a fairly close contest with Xerri taking the honours at throw ins and Tom dominating the centre bounces.  Of course, Tom has a better highlights reel and he did make it hard for Xerri's taps to reach their targets.

The bottom line is that we had a very good win over a team that would have made us pay if we had played as we did in the first three rounds.
Yeah good team Norf, here's their last 20 games
LLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLWLLL
We beat absolutely putrid opposition two weeks in a row (thankfully).
Lets see how we go next week against a good team, if manage to beat them I might sit up and take notice.
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2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #81
Nice post DJC. Generally agree.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #82
Holy mackerel!! :o

I think someone mentioned it previously in this thread. I just watch the game again, and FM if Weiters didn't have his legs taken from under him by a Judo move very late in the 3rd qtr. How the hell can that be allowed. Using Judo to take players legs from under them  will cause serious knee injuries galore if it's allowed to creep into our game. :o
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #83
Holy mackerel!! :o

I think someone mentioned it previously in this thread. I just watch the game again, and FM if Weiters didn't have his legs taken from under him by a Judo move very late in the 3rd qtr. How the hell can that be allowed. Using Judo to take players legs from under them  will cause serious knee injuries galore if it's allowed to creep into our game. :o

More worried about popping a shoulder when you put your arm out to stop yourself headbutting the turf. Double so because  you've got a bloke on your back riding you down.

Needs to be highlighted and stopped now.
Should've been called for tripping because that's exactly what it was.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #84
Holy mackerel!! :o

I think someone mentioned it previously in this thread. I just watch the game again, and FM if Weiters didn't have his legs taken from under him by a Judo move very late in the 3rd qtr. How the hell can that be allowed. Using Judo to take players legs from under them  will cause serious knee injuries galore if it's allowed to creep into our game. :o

More worried about popping a shoulder when you put your arm out to stop yourself headbutting the turf. Double so because  you've got a bloke on your back riding you down.

Needs to be highlighted and stopped now.
Should've been called for tripping because that's exactly what it was.

I would suggest, K, it is a lot worse than tripping as the variety of potential injuries, as we've both pointed out, are many. Intentionally taking out a blokes legs with a martial arts manoeuvre should be an illegal tackle. Hopefully some sports journo will be onto it and highlight this dangerous 'tackle.' Or someone at our club does.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #85
Rather than pinging Crippa for a fairly innocuous clash, Christian should have come down hard on Curtis … but that would require a desire to discourage potentially dangerous tactics creeping into our game.

The commentators picked it up from the replay and dismissed it with something like “OK if you get away with it”. 🙄

The AFL should issue a statement warning that tripping an opponent in a tackle will result in a free kick and MRO consequences … but they won’t 🤔
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #86
Generally agree DJC. I’d like to think the club is looking into this further and making some noise, even if it is only behind the scenes.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #87
I saw a leg broken (snapped both lower leg bones) in a tripping/tangle incident at club level.  It was a dog act and should have, at the very least, registered a mentioned as "noted, no sanction...but players on notice" addendum.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #88
I saw a leg broken (snapped both lower leg bones) in a tripping/tangle incident at club level.  It was a dog act and should have, at the very least, registered a mentioned as "noted, no sanction...but players on notice" addendum.
And I'd to the note that the next player to do it will be hit hard with sanctions.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2025 Post game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #89
I don't revel in the media pile on, but gees it's nice for the heat to come onto another club than ours.  I can't believe how they've piled into Norf.... Perhaps we were better than people thought?  But one things for sure, a rebuild isn't 3-5 years, it's closer to 10, especially if you don't get everything right, like drafting a player who nicks off home as fast as possible
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