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Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #60
Is it just me, maybe it's the number, but the languud, laconic gait makes Haynes remind me of the Spook, David Rys-Jones. Even the kicking style is similar.
Elite spoiling and intercept marking but gees his kicking in the first half was awful (but he wasn't on the line stranger(
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #61
My kingdom for a clean lace out fwd50 entry.  How many times did we steam forward, look a million bucks, then dribble one to Charlie’s feet, or over his head.  Could’ve absolutely toweled them up with some tidying up of the forward entires

Loved the fwd 50 pressure
Loved the intercept marking (Haynes, gov, wieters, jsos)
Loved the taking the game on thru the middle, and the great hands,  including the little handballs out the front of contests, even under pressure
Loved Lij
Loved Blakers looking to handball more than kicking
Loved JSos kicking
Loved fog, durds, white, mots
Loved Walshy making those media types writing him off, without a pre season, look silly
Loved TDKs run, fight and pressure
Loved what could be when Charlie, H, walshy, Crippa are all properly match fit

Gotta admit, watching again tonight, there were a couple of times, at the start of the 3rd and 4th qs, where I was worried we were going to lose the replay!

Oh and loved Hs last quarter

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #62
One positive to whats been a pretty disappointing season so far is our midfield seems more balanced and less reliant on Cripps which is a great thing.

Despite having to let Kennedy go we finally have depth now and we are getting an even spread. I would say Cripps would be behind Hewitt, Cerra and even probably Walsh in the B&F to this point which is a massive positive.

Jack has found his home in defence and looks like a bloke who loves the challenge to play on the games best and is unfazed 

Still think Charlie's output doesn't match his reputation. Everyone in the media go so over the top every goal he kicks mark he takes due to his energy and just the way he is exciting to watch but Harry on the other hand is a hard honest worker who is a bit unvalued IMO and his overall game is vital to us beating the best teams - He takes big late game team settling contested marks which is massive when the pressure is on, works s hard late up the ground. Charlie gets the most attention and as a result frees up others but think we underestimate Harrys importance when fit in big moments.   

It makes the offseason journo comments (every fckn yr) “they should trade harry for some mediocre midfielder” all the more ridiculous.  Just because he doesn’t kick a many goals as he did when he won the Coleman doesn’t mean H isn’t ridiculously valuable when he is on song

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #63
Watched the replay. Here's what strikes me most:

- we came to play and it mattered
- teamwork building nicely
- defence unity improving
- we trust each other
- disposal and goalkicking need more work
- we hunted for the bulk of each q
- we repeatedly rose when the inevitable challenges came
- youngsters coming along nicely
- Dflog is a protected flog
- Cats delay tactics after a free needs exposing more
- pudding face hates losing. His "vanilla" pressers reflect their vanilla performance against a much lower side
- we were tougher, stronger, and better for longer. Much longer
- we didn’t take their s&>t. Weiters dumping Dflog on his ar%e is one for the ages
- all players can and have improved. Just check out George 😯
- we have the best fans (keep it that way)

Despite all the positives, we have some ways to go. Crows are our achilles heel, especially at home. Litmus test incoming

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #64
Stewart’s hit on Zac Williams was harder than Cerra’s tap, did more damage, and had the potential to cause serious injury (as per Jack Silvagni’s bruised lungs).  Surely Christian didn’t buy that it was just a tackle.

If Cerra’s tap is worth a week’s suspension, Stewart should get at least two weeks.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #65
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options.
These are the little things I noticed.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #66
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options.
These are the little things I noticed.

My appreciation of David King's analyses varies considerably but I think that he was on to something when he said that we were one handball short of winning our previous games.  That's one extra handball in each chain of possession and I think that we got there on Sunday.  We are dangerous and hard to stop when we run in waves and use forward handballs to give the ball carrier room and time to get an effective disposal.

One thing I've been meaning to comment on was how Sam De Koning saw the funny side of the smallest bloke on the field using him as a step ladder.  Corey has taken a couple of nice grabs now and will have his opponents thinking about his marking and not just his leading, crumbing and defensive work.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #67
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options.
These are the little things I noticed.

My appreciation of David King's analyses varies considerably but I think that he was on to something when he said that we were one handball short of winning our previous games.  That's one extra handball in each chain of possession and I think that we got there on Sunday.  We are dangerous and hard to stop when we run in waves and use forward handballs to give the ball carrier room and time to get an effective disposal.

One thing I've been meaning to comment on was how Sam De Koning saw the funny side of the smallest bloke on the field using him as a step ladder.  Corey has taken a couple of nice grabs now and will have his opponents thinking about his marking and not just his leading, crumbing and defensive work.
King for mine is a very good analyst, right up there alongside the best. I definitely think we handballed too much to stationary players in the first few weeks which teams cottoned onto use it to their advantage (ie tackled and stopped us in our tracks). I guess we practiced wave running and receiving (no disrespect intended) against WC and NM and applied it against a good side on Sunday. Make no mistake, our kicking lets us down and we need to recruit some elite ball users by foot. The run and HB somewhat covers for that deficiency by as you say, giving the person on the end of the chain more time to execute a good, more measure kick. It also compensates for the lack of real break away leg speed by putting our blokes ahead of the chaser quickly. If you look at some of the kicks into the F50, many were poor and if we tidied that up, we would have one by plenty (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #68
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options.
These are the little things I noticed.

I may be getting my wires crossed, but i believe it was an Adam Simpson interview that said he couldn't work out how the cats always got an extra number behind the ball and basically gave up on trying to work it out. Crediting Scott as a coaching genius.

Fast forward to our game, commentators stated something along the lines of cats are giving up on their +1 and moving the extra into the contest.

Now to me, that says vossy and co outsmarted a coaching genius by forcing them to change from what was a successful game plan.

Now how did we do that?
Exactly as described here. Running, handballing, linking up.

The +1 always sits a kick behind the play. So if you want to avoid the mismatch, run at him with linking handballs (which is faster than he can run back) and kick it over his head.

You take them out of the game as the ball movement is quicker than the +1 movement.

Credit to our coaching panel.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #69
After watching that again on TV, what stood out to me was our handball game. No more hack kicks straight to the opposition, chains of HBs to players running by (not stationary players like the first 4 weeks). Every possession had some thought to it. Also, players barking instructions to the person with the ball were all consistent as opposed to 5 different players pointing to 5 different options.
These are the little things I noticed.

Seemed to be able to thread handballs out the front of the contest, to a teammates advantage a lot of the time.  Not backwards to someone standing still or to someone under the hamme


Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #71

Seemed to be able to thread handballs out the front of the contest, to a teammates advantage a lot of the time.  Not backwards to someone standing still or to someone under the hamme
Exactly Mil, I was impressed I have to say.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #72



 (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).
In this day and age they both could be the same....lol.
Haha, so true. Well at least people will expect you to believe or accept as much.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

 

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #73


My appreciation of David King's analyses varies considerably but I think that he was on to something when he said that we were one handball short of winning our previous games.  That's one extra handball in each chain of possession and I think that we got there on Sunday.  We are dangerous and hard to stop when we run in waves and use forward handballs to give the ball carrier room and time to get an effective disposal.

One thing I've been meaning to comment on was how Sam De Koning saw the funny side of the smallest bloke on the field using him as a step ladder.  Corey has taken a couple of nice grabs now and will have his opponents thinking about his marking and not just his leading, crumbing and defensive work.
King for mine is a very good analyst, right up there alongside the best. I definitely think we handballed too much to stationary players in the first few weeks which teams cottoned onto use it to their advantage (ie tackled and stopped us in our tracks). I guess we practiced wave running and receiving (no disrespect intended) against WC and NM and applied it against a good side on Sunday. Make no mistake, our kicking lets us down and we need to recruit some elite ball users by foot. The run and HB somewhat covers for that deficiency by as you say, giving the person on the end of the chain more time to execute a good, more measure kick. It also compensates for the lack of real break away leg speed by putting our blokes ahead of the chaser quickly. If you look at some of the kicks into the F50, many were poor and if we tidied that up, we would have one by plenty (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).

Same page here, GTC old son.

King seems to actually think things through, not just take situations at face value... and he was right about us, but it was pretty apparent in our first 4 outings - defensively strong (great foundation), but offensive game was soft when confronted with real pressure... handballing to witches hats, panicked sky-high disposals into forward 50, etc.

It was great that the Pussycats hit us with real, quality, sustained pressure -- especially at the beginning of the 3rd and 4th qtrs -- forcing us to 'face our demons' and we responded in the best way possible... and that's the road to being mentally tougher, offensively as well as defensively.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #74
King for mine is a very good analyst, right up there alongside the best. I definitely think we handballed too much to stationary players in the first few weeks which teams cottoned onto use it to their advantage (ie tackled and stopped us in our tracks). I guess we practiced wave running and receiving (no disrespect intended) against WC and NM and applied it against a good side on Sunday. Make no mistake, our kicking lets us down and we need to recruit some elite ball users by foot. The run and HB somewhat covers for that deficiency by as you say, giving the person on the end of the chain more time to execute a good, more measure kick. It also compensates for the lack of real break away leg speed by putting our blokes ahead of the chaser quickly. If you look at some of the kicks into the F50, many were poor and if we tidied that up, we would have one by plenty (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).

Same page here, GTC old son.

King seems to actually think things through, not just take situations at face value... and he was right about us, but it was pretty apparent in our first 4 outings - defensively strong (great foundation), but offensive game was soft when confronted with real pressure... handballing to witches hats, panicked sky-high disposals into forward 50, etc.

It was great that the Pussycats hit us with real, quality, sustained pressure -- especially at the beginning of the 3rd and 4th qtrs -- forcing us to 'face our demons' and we responded in the best way possible... and that's the road to being mentally tougher, offensively as well as defensively.

King CAN put together a very much well thought out pressentation into a deep dive of a particular club / player / trend.
However, there are also times where he gets players names wrong, positions wrong and abilities wrong.

This, IMHO, is all down to the pressure of coming up with something new each and every week for TV shows/radio etc.
Sometimes there isn't anything 'huge' to report on, but you don't say that, you throw together 10 seconds of vision and spit out an explanation that will get the most people talking.
Calling for Cerra to be moved to half back to essentially help our kicking out of defence is an example of the latter.