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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #75
Interesting, and fairly even battle between Marshall and De Koning.
I'd give Tom the points victory but it kind of makes me wonder what role he would have if he did make the move.

I thought Marshall was a clear winner particularly with his marking and work around the ground.  Tom may have got the pill almost as often but he butchered most of his disposals.

It's hard to see why the Saints are offering so much for Tom; he's not an improvement over Marshall, it's unlikely that playing both of them as ruckmen would work, and neither have shown that they can play as a KPP.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #76
Maybe we should swap TDK for Marshall
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #77
One thing I noticed during the post-match interviews was Jack Silvagni's response to a question about Elijah Hollands.  Jack explained that Elijah has the link-up role assisting with transition from defence to attack and that he (Jack) had that role when he was playing as a forward.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #78
Just read Ross’ comments in today’s papers - “2 kids with 10 games experience up against Cripps and cerra, no wonder we lost”…..  he somehow forgot to mention Steele, McRae, Sinclair.      Fck you Ross.  Keep coming up with excuses to try to keep your job.    What was it?  “Make your bed and lie in it”??

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #79
Just read Ross’ comments in today’s papers - “2 kids with 10 games experience up against Cripps and cerra, no wonder we lost”…..  he somehow forgot to mention Steele, McRae, Sinclair.      Fck you Ross.  Keep coming up with excuses to try to keep your job.    What was it?  “Make your bed and lie in it”??

So, Ross ignored the fact that we had Lord (10 games), Binns (4 games), and White (6 games), McGovern off to hospital, Cowan with a hammy, Acres with a dislocated shoulder, and Cerra and Young moved to the backline out of necessity.

I am so glad that we went through a genuine selection process and that discouraged Lyon from throwing his hat into the ring.

I genuinely feel sorry for the long suffering St Kilda supporters.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #80
Just read Ross’ comments in today’s papers - “2 kids with 10 games experience up against Cripps and cerra, no wonder we lost”…..  he somehow forgot to mention Steele, McRae, Sinclair.      Fck you Ross.  Keep coming up with excuses to try to keep your job.    What was it?  “Make your bed and lie in it”??

I am so glad that we went through a genuine selection process and that discouraged Lyon from throwing his hat into the ring.

I genuinely feel sorry for the long suffering St Kilda supporters.

There is an obvious reason why he can't land 'the big fish'....... who wants to play that sort of football! Let's hope a big blonde ruckman can see that too!

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Reply #81


I am so glad that we went through a genuine selection process and that discouraged Lyon from throwing his hat into the ring.

I genuinely feel sorry for the long suffering St Kilda supporters.

There is an obvious reason why he can't land 'the big fish'....... who wants to play that sort of football! Let's hope a big blonde ruckman can see that too!
I suspect the big blond ruckman will happily play any sort of game Ross wants him to given the money on offer. For Tom to knock it back, it would require an extraordinary level of loyalty and character, a level never seen before.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

 

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #82
Maybe the fact that the sniffers delivery into F50 was excrementally poor.  They badly need a CHF to straighten them up.
Our blokes copped a lot of treatment on the ground, Houston was very indiscriminate at times.  He'd want to be careful with those knees.
I thought our kicking and ball use was very poor, really should have won by 6-8.
Motlop had an ok last quarter but he was fair dinkum awful... spectated, slow to react, fumbled, hard hands.  Any options and he'd be in the twos I reckon. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #83


There is an obvious reason why he can't land 'the big fish'....... who wants to play that sort of football! Let's hope a big blonde ruckman can see that too!
I suspect the big blond ruckman will happily play any sort of game Ross wants him to given the money on offer. For Tom to knock it back, it would require an extraordinary level of loyalty and character, a level never seen before.

It's an age old conundrum, eh GTC - loot and loyalty, or perhaps loot v commitment.

In my own work journey I've been lucky enough to be offered more loot to go elsewhere and on those few occasions knocked back the offers to stay... solely based on culture. Values. Didn't like the culture of the offering place, loved the culture where I was. Some folks are more motivated by loot, and that's fair enough. Horses for courses.

I'm glad the club is sticking to its guns re loot. Apparently the offer is there, and that's it. It'd be sad to see the big fella go, but as corny as this may sound, the club is bigger than the individual. 

You're probably right that TDK wouldn't be worried about Ross's game plan... after all, the Aints are offering him large money to do what he does at PP. But are the Aints a destination club? I wouldn't have thought so. But I'm biased. TDK says he's a pretty laid back character, which could mean anything... probably to go with what his agent and family choose for him?

The thing I'm probably more 'mercenary' about is commitment. Not a fan of allowing someone to be rubbery about their commitment. It does effect culture. Perhaps I'm a pr1ck like that but I'd be wanting a decision now and not at year's end. Apparently Lloyd has indicated that this will be his last year at PP... again, being a pr1ck, I'd want him to leave now or move him sideways in the interim.

Commitment nourishes trust, and trust is imperative in successful and great cultures. Rubbery commitment erodes trust.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #84
It's an age old conundrum, eh GTC - loot and loyalty, or perhaps loot v commitment.

In my own work journey I've been lucky enough to be offered more loot to go elsewhere and on those few occasions knocked back the offers to stay... solely based on culture. Values. Didn't like the culture of the offering place, loved the culture where I was. Some folks are more motivated by loot, and that's fair enough. Horses for courses.

I'm glad the club is sticking to its guns re loot. Apparently the offer is there, and that's it. It'd be sad to see the big fella go, but as corny as this may sound, the club is bigger than the individual. 

You're probably right that TDK wouldn't be worried about Ross's game plan... after all, the Aints are offering him large money to do what he does at PP. But are the Aints a destination club? I wouldn't have thought so. But I'm biased. TDK says he's a pretty laid back character, which could mean anything... probably to go with what his agent and family choose for him?

The thing I'm probably more 'mercenary' about is commitment. Not a fan of allowing someone to be rubbery about their commitment. It does effect culture. Perhaps I'm a pr1ck like that but I'd be wanting a decision now and not at year's end. Apparently Lloyd has indicated that this will be his last year at PP... again, being a pr1ck, I'd want him to leave now or move him sideways in the interim.

Commitment nourishes trust, and trust is imperative in successful and great cultures. Rubbery commitment erodes trust.
Loot v Loyalty/Culture is very hard when its the dollars being talked about here, will be one of the biggest in AFL/VFL history therefore will be too good to refuse given the gap between ours and theirs is significant. I have heard that we are working on other means of bridging the gap (all legal and nothing paper bag type). One thing the Carlton Business Network offers is opportunities like no other club in the comp.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #85
Coaches' votes :

7 Nick Haynes CARL
6 George Hewett CARL
5 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera STK
5 Harry McKay CARL
4 Jack Sinclair STK
2 Patrick Cripps CARL
1 Jack Silvagni CARL

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #86
If the Saints pay 1.7m for TDK, they have rocks in their head.  The ruck position is one of the few where they don't have a glaring weakness.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #87
If the Saints pay 1.7m for TDK, they have rocks in their head.  The ruck position is one of the few where they don't have a glaring weakness.

Absolutely. For that loot they could get a top line key forward or midfielder.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #88
If the Saints pay 1.7m for TDK, they have rocks in their head.  The ruck position is one of the few where they don't have a glaring weakness.

Last week champion data AFL player ratings ranked TDK as the 5th best player in the comp.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #89
Anybody that gives you a clearance advantage is gold.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?