Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: kruddler – on May 17, 2025, 12:50:01 pm

I'm just pointing out that its a very even season and a lot of this comes down to luck.

People talking about handing in the keys of the back of this loss is so comical its sad.

People get so fixated on wins/losses, they lose the bigger picture.

As i pointed out earlier, our next 4 weeks are against 8th, 9th, 17th and 18th. We could easily win all. Even if we drop one of those games, we end up 7-7. Potentially, with no injuries left as almost all are scheduled to be back by then.
Would you bet against us making finals in that position? Hell no.

Its a marathon, not a sprint.

kruddler the year is shot mate. the eight is pretty much set and us only beating the bottom tier teams is not going to be enough to book a finals place. You have to also beat those around you and when your starting so far back as we are you also need to claim some big scalps.

It just wont happen - i know your always ultra positive but the reality is its another wasted year which is bitterly disappointing again as this list is getting older has achieved very little and losing TDK will be a backward step whichever we want to spin it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I can understand your statistical approach but mine is that once you've reached 50 games the "apprenticeship" period is over. Last year Motlop was given a pass because of a lack of PS, this year he apparently had a great PS and there hasn't been any drastic shift in output.

Your statistical "analysis" could be also interpreted as both Motlop and Fogarty are both equally as hopeless.

The season's not over until it's practically or mathematically impossible to make finals. A defeatist attitude leads to defeat.

Many, not all, of us supporters/members/fans will give up on the season long before the team does, they will fight on for a spot in the 8 until the end. Anyone will admit that with every 4 winnable points that go down the toilet, the task is made harder. Hence why Voss was so pissed off in his presser. We like to lay blame, criticise and sack because it's in our DNA. I'll hazard a guess that Voss's anger and frustration will make ours pale into insignificance even thought many of us were supporting Carlton before he was born. What we know about Voss is that he is as fierce a competitor that's ever been and he is deeply invested. I have faith in Voss, I don't have as much faith in many of those who run out every week wearing the CFC on the front of their jumper (and its not all lesser likes either).

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 17, 2025, 11:02:51 pm

Many, not all, of us supporters/members/fans will give up on the season long before the team does, they will fight on for a spot in the 8 until the end. Anyone will admit that with every 4 winnable points that go down the toilet, the task is made harder. Hence why Voss was so pissed off in his presser. We like to lay blame, criticise and sack because it's in our DNA. I'll hazard a guess that Voss's anger and frustration will make ours pale into insignificance even thought many of us were supporting Carlton before he was born. What we know about Voss is that he is as fierce a competitor that's ever been and he is deeply invested. I have faith in Voss, I don't have as much faith in many of those who run out every week wearing the CFC on the front of their jumper (and its not all lesser likes either).

There's no doubt that with each loss it becomes more of an uphill battle. But the spirit should never change.

This is somewhat off topic, but being constantly top 4 and constantly challenging (like Hawks, Geelong etc) is a bit like the Sydney property market : once you're in, you're in, and moving up, staying in that market etc becomes easier. Trying to enter the market from the outside is much harder. It's just an unfortunate reality that the breakthrough moment when you go from Ninthmond to 3peat is impossible to orchestrate and impossible to predict. Once we lost that winning feeling in the early 2000's, it's demonstrably clear that it's very difficult to get back. And it's not just us. That's just the reality. Nothing I say or believe will stop supporters from doing what they do. The best thing they can do to get the club back on top is to support the club 100%, rather than whinge and whine and rip into the club at any opportunity. Collingwood fans show how this is done, and we should follow suit. Support doesn't follow success. It's the other way round IMO.

Quote from: PaulP – on May 17, 2025, 06:43:56 pm

The season's not over until it's practically or mathematically impossible to make finals. A defeatist attitude leads to defeat.

Many, not all, of us supporters/members/fans will give up on the season long before the team does, they will fight on for a spot in the 8 until the end. Anyone will admit that with every 4 winnable points that go down the toilet, the task is made harder. Hence why Voss was so pissed off in his presser. We like to lay blame, criticise and sack because it's in our DNA. I'll hazard a guess that Voss's anger and frustration will make ours pale into insignificance even thought many of us were supporting Carlton before he was born. What we know about Voss is that he is as fierce a competitor that's ever been and he is deeply invested. I have faith in Voss, I don't have as much faith in many of those who run out every week wearing the CFC on the front of their jumper (and its not all lesser likes either).

The second half of the year is looking pretty important not just for a number of players but also coaches.
If we do fail to make the eight there will be enormous pressure for changes.

We often look at the difference between our best players and fringe players and acknowledge a gap.
But there's another equally important gap.
That's between our individual player's best and their worst.
Curnow is a good example.

When everyone is at their best we go OK.
It's the consistency of performance where we fall down.

When you're about the 3rd worst club in the competition for forward half conversions, you've got problems. Big problems. Little reward for effort - deflating. Confidence sapping. So little nourishment to feed a winning mindset.

Yes, we're hard to score against. However, it's also easy to limit our scoring... we help our opponents to minimize our scoring with our seemingly exclusive focus on a defensive/negative mind set.

It's like we think just get the ball into the forward 50 arc and believe Charles and H will do the rest. When at Brisvegas didn't Vossy also believe that with Brown and Fev up forward all they needed to do was get the ball near them? Didn't work.

Are our small forwards coached on offensive skills? Hitting the scoreboard? Getting in front of the talls in marking contests? Seems the coaching focus for our smalls is defensiveness - as long as you stop your opponent, job done. If you get a goal, wow, bonus.

I'm not blaming the players. Less talented sides than ours are in the 8 and win when injury strikes in game. This (losing) is happening in the coach's box. Against the Fluffy Ducks in the last qtr they wanted to win the game, we wanted to save the game - defeatist/negative attitude.

The pillars of our game plan seem to be contest and pressure - job done. Nuh. Part A is done (seemingly), but what about parts B & C? Plenty of inside 50s for poor return - major issue. Keep doing what you've always done... you know the rest.

3 1/2 years of same old, same old inconsistency and sub standard forward half delivery/connection and hitting the scoreboard when the numerous opportunities present themselves. The footy department/coaching group are under pressure for their job(s), and justifiably so.

No finals or an early exit if we fall into finals will mean changes and with some experienced premiership winning coaches available then Id say it would be goodbye to the entire coaching staff and changes in the recruiting department also.