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Quote from: blueboys_1 – on May 17, 2025, 01:31:29 pm

Motlop reminds me Deluilo. Runs around and try's to break tackles and always gets caught. Take the first option and get rid of the ball. Been reading the posts this year but have not commented on anything as it's just to much.
Like a lot of people on this forum I've had a gut full. Don't watch the replay unless we win and just lost a lot of interest compared to my younger years.

We will probably do a 2023, make finals only to bow out and keep us hanging for next year.

Motlops best games for the year has been when he has rotated through the midfield for large chunks of the game. Its happened 2-3 times this year.

Why it only happens in some games and not others, i don't understand. I called for it to happen in about the 3rd quarter last night as we needed to mix it up, but nothing.

His (lack of) awareness gets him into trouble sometimes, but he is still learning the game. That was only his 50th game last night.
Cant recall if it was Pagan or Malthouse who used to say you need at least 50 games (if not 100) before you can become a consistent AFL footballer. Given his injury history and interrupted pre-seasons, i'd say next year will be 'his year'.

I thought the game changed just before half time, Swans better players were heating up and they were matching us around the stoppages particularly when Pittonet started to tire and Grundy was winning all the ruckwork. Like us they play an inefficient brand and couldnt score which disguised how the game was changing imo.
Heeney and Warner had 19 scoring involvements...thats absurd for players that are meant to be tagged and the former kicked poorly and probably should have finished with five.
I thought they controlled the 3rd quarter with Pittonet out on his feet and Cripps not right but couldnt score and then the flood gates opened in the last when we just couldnt run with them or win a contest.

How much more time does Motlop needs to get a clue?  

How much more time does Motlop needs to get a clue?  50 games isn't prep school level, he really needs to start showing something or ta ta. Most duds are lucky to get 10 games to shape up or get moved on. We've got enough non performers

How much more time does Motlop needs to get a clue?  50 games isn't prep school level, he really needs to start showing something or ta ta. Most duds are lucky to get 10 games to shape up or get moved on. We've got enough non performers

How many years have we been rebuilding for ?

And this is the group we waited patiently for.

We were dudded.

Said it time and time again but this group of footballers will never get close to the ultimate prize as ability wise they are mid table and mentally are as weak as any team.

issue is I have no idea what needs to be done to give this list a shot at snaring a flag and based on my faith of our list management neither do they.

Quote from: Professer E – on May 17, 2025, 05:18:20 pm

How much more time does Motlop needs to get a clue?  50 games isn't prep school level, he really needs to start showing something or ta ta. Most duds are lucky to get 10 games to shape up or get moved on. We've got enough non performers

What has (or hasn't) Motlop done to draw criticism compared to any/all of.....
Durdin
Evans
White
Binns
even Fogarty

Looking at the numbers (before last night stats are taken into account)
Fogarty gets a pat on the back because he tackles. He averages 4.4 tackles this year.
Motlop gets a whack because he doesn't. Yet he averages 3.9 tackles this year (he got 4 last night)

Both get the same amount of possessions 10.7 to motlop  compared to 10.9 for Fog.
Same amount of inside 50's 2.3 each

Motlop hits the scoreboard more he is 6 goals 8 from 9 games.
Fogarty is 3 goals 3 from 8 games

Motlop averages 3 times as many clearances. Almost twice as many goal assists. Is 4.5 years younger with 28 games less experience.

So why is Motlop the problem?

Maybe he stands out more because of the long sleeves, or the colour of his skin.
Maybe its because he has more potential.
Maybe its because there is a lot of 'almost' in him.

But based on actual output....i don't see the criticism, especially when compared to Fogarty who gets a free pass for some reason.

I haven't run the figures on the other 4 blokes i mentioned above, but i'd be looking at them before Motlop anyway.

Quote from: Professer E – on May 17, 2025, 05:18:20 pm

How much more time does Motlop needs to get a clue?  50 games isn't prep school level, he really needs to start showing something or ta ta. Most duds are lucky to get 10 games to shape up or get moved on. We've got enough non performers

What has (or hasn't) Motlop done to draw criticism compared to any/all of.....
Durdin
Evans
White
Binns
even Fogarty

Looking at the numbers (before last night stats are taken into account)
Fogarty gets a pat on the back because he tackles. He averages 4.4 tackles this year.
Motlop gets a whack because he doesn't. Yet he averages 3.9 tackles this year (he got 4 last night)

Both get the same amount of possessions 10.7 to motlop  compared to 10.9 for Fog.
Same amount of inside 50's 2.3 each

Motlop hits the scoreboard more he is 6 goals 8 from 9 games.
Fogarty is 3 goals 3 from 8 games

Motlop averages 3 times as many clearances. Almost twice as many goal assists. Is 4.5 years younger with 28 games less experience.

So why is Motlop the problem?

Maybe he stands out more because of the long sleeves, or the colour of his skin.
Maybe its because he has more potential.
Maybe its because there is a lot of 'almost' in him.

But based on actual output....i don't see the criticism, especially when compared to Fogarty who gets a free pass for some reason.

I haven't run the figures on the other 4 blokes i mentioned above, but i'd be looking at them before Motlop anyway.

Quote from: shawny – on May 17, 2025, 12:45:29 pm

Thing is they also had a team well below its full strength. No Gulden, McDonald, Adams, Mills, Papley. Plus next year it will be pit in and TDK out so better gets used to that one.

We cant keep saying the same thing with every loss. Every team plays without its best 22 and to use that as a defence papers over much deeper cracks.

They were there for the taking and once again we failed.

I'm just pointing out that its a very even season and a lot of this comes down to luck.

People talking about handing in the keys of the back of this loss is so comical its sad.

People get so fixated on wins/losses, they lose the bigger picture.

As i pointed out earlier, our next 4 weeks are against 8th, 9th, 17th and 18th. We could easily win all. Even if we drop one of those games, we end up 7-7. Potentially, with no injuries left as almost all are scheduled to be back by then.
Would you bet against us making finals in that position? Hell no.

Its a marathon, not a sprint.

Quote from: shawny – on May 16, 2025, 11:22:50 pm

How many years have we been rebuilding for ?

And this is the group we waited patiently for.

We were dudded.

Said it time and time again but this group of footballers will never get close to the ultimate prize as ability wise they are mid table and mentally are as weak as any team.

issue is I have no idea what needs to be done to give this list a shot at snaring a flag and based on my faith of our list management neither do they.

Dudded bigtime,   and I could see the writing on the wall in the second half of '24,  then  the loss to the Tigers R1 this year just confirmed what many of us suspected....   this team is a huge letdown and just incapable of getting it done...   and most of the blame doesn't fall on the players to be fair.   It's our completely inept recruiting department who have really screwed up our list management and team balance etc.    This team won't go anywhere unfortunately (except backwards),  and things won't change until we get someone new in that department who knows what they're doing and won't continue to recruit useless spuds.  Too much each week is left to so few,  and our good players just aren't getting the support they need and are getting frustrated.   We need another 2-3 year mini rebuild.