Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Baggers – on May 18, 2025, 10:16:35 am

When you're about the 3rd worst club in the competition for forward half conversions, you've got problems. Big problems. Little reward for effort - deflating. Confidence sapping. So little nourishment to feed a winning mindset.

Yes, we're hard to score against. However, it's also easy to limit our scoring... we help our opponents to minimize our scoring with our seemingly exclusive focus on a defensive/negative mind set.

It's like we think just get the ball into the forward 50 arc and believe Charles and H will do the rest. When at Brisvegas didn't Vossy also believe that with Brown and Fev up forward all they needed to do was get the ball near them? Didn't work.

Are our small forwards coached on offensive skills? Hitting the scoreboard? Getting in front of the talls in marking contests? Seems the coaching focus for our smalls is defensiveness - as long as you stop your opponent, job done. If you get a goal, wow, bonus.

I'm not blaming the players. Less talented sides than ours are in the 8 and win when injury strikes in game. This (losing) is happening in the coach's box. Against the Fluffy Ducks in the last qtr they wanted to win the game, we wanted to save the game - defeatist/negative attitude.

The pillars of our game plan seem to be contest and pressure - job done. Nuh. Part A is done (seemingly), but what about parts B & C? Plenty of inside 50s for poor return - major issue. Keep doing what you've always done... you know the rest.

3 1/2 years of same old, same old inconsistency and sub standard forward half delivery/connection and hitting the scoreboard when the numerous opportunities present themselves. The footy department/coaching group are under pressure for their job(s), and justifiably so.

I don't think Voss is under any pressure whatsoever when the players dish up performances like Friday nights last qtr, Adelaide (most of the game), Richmond second half. I dont care what anyone says, that's not coaching or game plan, that's application, desire and skill level or lack there of. The controlling of games at critical juncture lies with the on field leaders and their ability to crack the whip when needed. Ill say this again, IMO if our coaches need to waste time teaching AFL players how to kick, mark and handball, we drafted the wrong players and a combination of Norm Smith/RD Barassi/C Scott/D Parkin couldn't coach us to win consistently.
Instead of looking at the bottom end players. let's take Charlie and Harry for example. Charlie's brain fades (or farts) on Friday night were diabolical for a bloke of his talent. At his age, he should be taking games by the scruff of the neck and ripping them about for us. I find him lazy and not prepared to get his hands dirty and if he had the amount of desire to win that Crippa has in his little finger, he'd be doing it. Sorry for shooting Bambi but that's how I see it and it annoys the crap out of me.
How many marks (easy ones) did Harry drop the other night. One week he marks everything like he is Sticks Kernahan, the next week he turns up with cement hands. Holding those marks are critical to controlling the game and even more critical when your team lacks leg speed (I'm looking at you Curly Jnr), when the ball hits the deck, mobs with clean hands and fast feet scoot away with it. I know Harry has battled internal demons but when you run up the race, there is a certain expectation of a 27 year old former Coleman Medalist, especially when the game was in the balance on Friday night. These are example of two senior, experienced players who we need to stand up when it matters. They need to do the heavy lifting and take the younger less experienced ones along for the ride, not the other way around. I could go on but you get my drift.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 18, 2025, 03:44:34 pm

I don't think Voss is under any pressure whatsoever when the players dish up performances like Friday nights last qtr, Adelaide (most of the game), Richmond second half. I dont care what anyone says, that's not coaching or game plan, that's application, desire and skill level or lack there of. The controlling of games at critical juncture lies with the on field leaders and their ability to crack the whip when needed. Ill say this again, IMO if our coaches need to waste time teaching AFL players how to kick, mark and handball, we drafted the wrong players and a combination of Norm Smith/RD Barassi/C Scott/D Parkin couldn't coach us to win consistently.
Instead of looking at the bottom end players. let's take Charlie and Harry for example. Charlie's brain fades (or farts) on Friday night were diabolical for a bloke of his talent. At his age, he should be taking games by the scruff of the neck and ripping them about for us. I find him lazy and not prepared to get his hands dirty and if he had the amount of desire to win that Crippa has in his little finger, he'd be doing it. Sorry for shooting Bambi but that's how I see it and it annoys the crap out of me.
How many marks (easy ones) did Harry drop the other night. One week he marks everything like he is Sticks Kernahan, the next week he turns up with cement hands. Holding those marks are critical to controlling the game and even more critical when your team lacks leg speed (I'm looking at you Curly Jnr), when the ball hits the deck, mobs with clean hands and fast feet scoot away with it. I know Harry has battled internal demons but when you run up the race, there is a certain expectation of a 27 year old former Coleman Medalist, especially when the game was in the balance on Friday night. These are example of two senior, experienced players who we need to stand up when it matters. They need to do the heavy lifting and take the younger less experienced ones along for the ride, not the other way around. I could go on but you get my drift.

He had two players to plan for and couldn't make it happen, no plan B and tactically he isn't great imo.
Swans had a lot of senior players missing and themselves not going great and won't make finals imo, it was a poor loss imo and I wasn't impressed with his coaches presser either. He has a weakened GWS team away from home this week and needs a win or i can see the vultures gathering..

I have just got home after flying to Sydney on Friday to watch the game.  After reading the comments on this thread I thought I might add a few of my own.

The playing surface was in very good condition.  There was no rain, humidity or wind during the game.

In the first quarter the Swans began hesitantly and we would have been goals ahead by the end of the quarter except for the fact we have such a dysfunctional forward line.  The Swans backline played one on one and our mids and half forwards did not know what to do.  When our mids went forward with the ball, rarely did our forwards lead up but seemed content to remain static. More often than not, when they did lead it was to the pockets.Consequently, we fell back into kicking the ball long onto the heads of the forwards.

The second quarter was a repeat of the first, and we could sense the Swan's confidence and teamwork growing.  In this quarter Motlop seemed to find new ways of stuffing up.  He dropped simple marks and seemed incapable of picking up the ball, just fumbling all the time.

The third quarter reopened old wounds for supporters.  The team was dreadful.  I think it took until the eighteen minute mark before we troubled the scoreboard.  Turnovers occurred almost every time we went into attack.  On the times when we went from the halfback line through the centre we always seemed to handball to a player under pressure, or kick straight to an opponent, scrub kick the ball along the ground, collide with another team mate, hesitate before making a decision, or kick the ball on top of a forward who had two opponents.

This quarter also exposed problems on our backline.  At his best McGovern is a serviceable CHB, but on any other day he is just not up to it.  Saad has also lost form. Instead of getting the ball, outpacing opponents and delivering the ball deep into the forward line,
on Friday night he had difficulty breaking away and had to run in a semi circle before kicking the ball high into the forward line.

The last quarter was a repeat of the third, only worse.

There is no way that we are going to get into the top four with this list.  I'm sure TDK will take the money and run.

I have just got home after flying to Sydney on Friday to watch the game.  After reading the comments on this thread I thought I might add a few of my own.

The playing surface was in very good condition.  There was no rain, humidity or wind during the game.

In the first quarter the Swans began hesitantly and we would have been goals ahead by the end of the quarter except for the fact we have such a dysfunctional forward line.  The Swans backline played one on one and our mids and half forwards did not know what to do.  When our mids went forward with the ball, rarely did our forwards lead up but seemed content to remain static. More often than not, when they did lead it was to the pockets.Consequently, we fell back into kicking the ball long onto the heads of the forwards.

The second quarter was a repeat of the first, and we could sense the Swan's confidence and teamwork growing.  In this quarter Motlop seemed to find new ways of stuffing up.  He dropped simple marks and seemed incapable of picking up the ball, just fumbling all the time.

The third quarter reopened old wounds for supporters.  The team was dreadful.  I think it took until the eighteen minute mark before we troubled the scoreboard.  Turnovers occurred almost every time we went into attack.  On the times when we went from the halfback line through the centre we always seemed to handball to a player under pressure, or kick straight to an opponent, scrub kick the ball along the ground, collide with another team mate, hesitate before making a decision, or kick the ball on top of a forward who had two opponents.

This quarter also exposed problems on our backline.  At his best McGovern is a serviceable CHB, but on any other day he is just not up to it.  Saad has also lost form. Instead of getting the ball, outpacing opponents and delivering the ball deep into the forward line,
on Friday night he had difficulty breaking away and had to run in a semi circle before kicking the ball high into the forward line.

The last quarter was a repeat of the third, only worse.

There is no way that we are going to get into the top four with this list.  I'm sure TDK will take the money and run.

Quote from: Baggers – on May 18, 2025, 10:16:35 am

When you're about the 3rd worst club in the competition for forward half conversions, you've got problems. Big problems. Little reward for effort - deflating. Confidence sapping. So little nourishment to feed a winning mindset.

Yes, we're hard to score against. However, it's also easy to limit our scoring... we help our opponents to minimize our scoring with our seemingly exclusive focus on a defensive/negative mind set.

It's like we think just get the ball into the forward 50 arc and believe Charles and H will do the rest. When at Brisvegas didn't Vossy also believe that with Brown and Fev up forward all they needed to do was get the ball near them? Didn't work.

Are our small forwards coached on offensive skills? Hitting the scoreboard? Getting in front of the talls in marking contests? Seems the coaching focus for our smalls is defensiveness - as long as you stop your opponent, job done. If you get a goal, wow, bonus.

I'm not blaming the players. Less talented sides than ours are in the 8 and win when injury strikes in game. This (losing) is happening in the coach's box. Against the Fluffy Ducks in the last qtr they wanted to win the game, we wanted to save the game - defeatist/negative attitude.

The pillars of our game plan seem to be contest and pressure - job done. Nuh. Part A is done (seemingly), but what about parts B & C? Plenty of inside 50s for poor return - major issue. Keep doing what you've always done... you know the rest.

3 1/2 years of same old, same old inconsistency and sub standard forward half delivery/connection and hitting the scoreboard when the numerous opportunities present themselves. The footy department/coaching group are under pressure for their job(s), and justifiably so.

I don't think Voss is under any pressure whatsoever when the players dish up performances like Friday nights last qtr, Adelaide (most of the game), Richmond second half. I dont care what anyone says, that's not coaching or game plan, that's application, desire and skill level or lack there of. The controlling of games at critical juncture lies with the on field leaders and their ability to crack the whip when needed. Ill say this again, IMO if our coaches need to waste time teaching AFL players how to kick, mark and handball, we drafted the wrong players and a combination of Norm Smith/RD Barassi/C Scott/D Parkin couldn't coach us to win consistently.
Instead of looking at the bottom end players. let's take Charlie and Harry for example. Charlie's brain fades (or farts) on Friday night were diabolical for a bloke of his talent. At his age, he should be taking games by the scruff of the neck and ripping them about for us. I find him lazy and not prepared to get his hands dirty and if he had the amount of desire to win that Crippa has in his little finger, he'd be doing it. Sorry for shooting Bambi but that's how I see it and it annoys the crap out of me.
How many marks (easy ones) did Harry drop the other night. One week he marks everything like he is Sticks Kernahan, the next week he turns up with cement hands. Holding those marks are critical to controlling the game and even more critical when your team lacks leg speed (I'm looking at you Curly Jnr), when the ball hits the deck, mobs with clean hands and fast feet scoot away with it. I know Harry has battled internal demons but when you run up the race, there is a certain expectation of a 27 year old former Coleman Medalist, especially when the game was in the balance on Friday night. These are example of two senior, experienced players who we need to stand up when it matters. They need to do the heavy lifting and take the younger less experienced ones along for the ride, not the other way around. I could go on but you get my drift.

Norf Melbourne beat the tigers today, you know the side that finished last in 2024, traded away much of their senior talent and started on a total rebuild.

There's people saying it's all good blah blah blah but let's face it, we're little better than the Tigers (4-6 as opposed to 3-7) our best players are 28+ and we've got F-all  young talent.  I find it hard to see any positivity in our list ATM.

Sadly, the AFL doesn't work like that. We sacked Teague and hired Voss because we are at the stage where finals were demanded, and, I'd imagine, by now, more. He''d be unlucky but that is how the system works sadly.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 18, 2025, 03:44:34 pm

I don't think Voss is under any pressure whatsoever when the players dish up performances like Friday nights last qtr, Adelaide (most of the game), Richmond second half. I dont care what anyone says, that's not coaching or game plan, that's application, desire and skill level or lack there of. The controlling of games at critical juncture lies with the on field leaders and their ability to crack the whip when needed. Ill say this again, IMO if our coaches need to waste time teaching AFL players how to kick, mark and handball, we drafted the wrong players and a combination of Norm Smith/RD Barassi/C Scott/D Parkin couldn't coach us to win consistently.
Instead of looking at the bottom end players. let's take Charlie and Harry for example. Charlie's brain fades (or farts) on Friday night were diabolical for a bloke of his talent. At his age, he should be taking games by the scruff of the neck and ripping them about for us. I find him lazy and not prepared to get his hands dirty and if he had the amount of desire to win that Crippa has in his little finger, he'd be doing it. Sorry for shooting Bambi but that's how I see it and it annoys the crap out of me.
How many marks (easy ones) did Harry drop the other night. One week he marks everything like he is Sticks Kernahan, the next week he turns up with cement hands. Holding those marks are critical to controlling the game and even more critical when your team lacks leg speed (I'm looking at you Curly Jnr), when the ball hits the deck, mobs with clean hands and fast feet scoot away with it. I know Harry has battled internal demons but when you run up the race, there is a certain expectation of a 27 year old former Coleman Medalist, especially when the game was in the balance on Friday night. These are example of two senior, experienced players who we need to stand up when it matters. They need to do the heavy lifting and take the younger less experienced ones along for the ride, not the other way around. I could go on but you get my drift.

He had two players to plan for and couldn't make it happen, no plan B and tactically he isn't great imo.
Swans had a lot of senior players missing and themselves not going great and won't make finals imo, it was a poor loss imo and I wasn't impressed with his coaches presser either. He has a weakened GWS team away from home this week and needs a win or i can see the vultures gathering..

Quote from: laj – on May 18, 2025, 06:34:08 pm

Sadly, the AFL doesn't work like that. We sacked Teague and hired Voss because we are at the stage where finals were demanded, and, I'd imagine, by now, more. He''d be unlucky but that is how the system works sadly.

I think that's how poorly administered AFL teams work (sackings). Carlton was poorly administered (ie board, CEO etc). Voss will see out his contract as a minimum, if they think he hasn't performed at that point he mightn't be renewed. He will not be sacked before the contract is up.

I think that's how poorly administered AFL teams work (sackings). Carlton was poorly administered (ie board, CEO etc). Voss will see out his contract as a minimum, if they think he hasn't performed at that point he mightn't be renewed. He will not be sacked before the contract is up.