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Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #30 –
At the moment Acres and Weitering are not close to being fit. Weitering is struggling and really needs a rest.
If Acres isn't going to get better, then he needs to sent to surgery, and prepared for next year. Better do it now than wait until he can't be replaced.

Not sure that this is the draft to make huge changes, but it is the one we're stuck with.

Mitch McGovern is struggling. We can't carry him at the moment. I'm not sure what his future is, but he is making mistakes that cost us goals. He leads to competition in this area.

Doc played well today: he, at least, wasn't embarrassed. But he is nearer the end than the beginning.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #31 –
A couple of positives from today, because there's just way to many negatives;
1. Doc's best game for the year.
2. O'Farrell debut was pretty good I thought
3. Lord continues to show something. Hopefully he continues
4. I reckon Carroll has shown enough to get an extension
5. Motlop really looks like he's turned the corner and could be the dangerous small forward we've been looking for (pffffffft, this last one was a p155 take. I couldn't help myself!)

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #32 –
Our contest oriented midfield had their asses handed to them by a second string outfit - AGAIN. Game set match.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #33 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Got home too late to watch the game live, may not bother watching it on Kayo now.

White, Carroll, Binns, Young, McGovern & Curnow - zero tackles between them.

McKay went goal-less.

First gamer O'Farrell had 9 disposals as did Motlop & Acres, however, he had more than Young, Durdin & Binns did.
Firstly - go ahead and watch the replay. I’m interested to know your thoughts after viewing it.

Secondly, White, Carroll and Binns have a handful of games between them.  White was lively and worked hard. Binns was only subbed on in the 4th. Carroll played well I thought / smart kicking generally.

MCG will be the death of me, for every amazing thing he may do, he does an equally stupid thing. For an experienced player this is unacceptable and imo he should be let go.  Unreliable.

Charlie. I don’t know. I wasn’t at the game. Is he getting absolutely smashed all the time so doesnt have the stamina to work hard off the ball? Or he’s unfit? Frankly it looked like he didn’t gaf
After quarter time.

McKay was good around the ground and in the centre - he gets a pass for his goalless turn.

Durds - not sure what happens there.

TDK did f all. This is a slow painful good bye now.

IMO Cripps Hewitt Walsh try and do too much and get caught. It’s infuriating.   BUT they don’t trust their teammates.

Ollie works hard.

Dunno something is not right with this group / there doesn’t seem to be much camaraderie. They don’t work hard for each other -
No Shepparding, no smashing into the opp to help their teammate get away. Nothing. Individual.

I like Vossy and what would I know if it’s coaching or not but ffs can we please for the love of all things stop with the bombing it in and start with using our brains!?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #34 –
And let’s be honest we were lucky to limp into finals last year and dealt with appropriately.

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Reply #35 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
And let’s be honest we were lucky to limp into finals last year and dealt with appropriately.
Same thing will happen this year if we fall in, we need a list reset and re-equip the coach with some players who can play the modern game and stand up to the physicality that comes with the extra emphasis on being able to lay tackles and stand up in them when tackled.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #36 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on


Correction: 4th decade.
To be honest, I can't see us winning a premiership while I live. I'm 64.
There isn't the desire. There isn't the skill. There isn't the game plan.
Our list isn't one that is going to challenge.
We don't stop the oppositions' better players; we play them into form.

We are irrelevant. I never thought I'd be writing that, but it is accurate at the moment.

We're much better than we were not that long ago, but we've managed to get into the pack in the middle. That looks like as far as we'll get in this cycle. We need to learn and move on or we'll spend another cycle ending up nowhere.

 I've at least seen 8 flags so been lucky in that regard, but it is younger Blues supporters that have seen nothing that I feel sorry for.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #37 –
Just can't close out games - efficiency inside 50 was really poor again. It is now 43% efficiency which is bottom four. Inside 50s continue to be good....cant depend on Harry + Charlie kicking 5-6 goals between them .. need goals from smalls as well Ah Chee and Cameron kicked 7 goals between them. If we don't clean up that efficiency inside 50 then no finals for this year.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on

MCG will be the death of me, for every amazing thing he may do, he does an equally stupid thing. For an experienced player this is unacceptable and imo he should be let go.  Unreliable. AGREE UNACCEPTABLE FROM AN EXPERIENCED SENIOR PLAYER.

Charlie. I don’t know. I wasn’t at the game. Is he getting absolutely smashed all the time so doesnt have the stamina to work hard off the ball? Or he’s unfit? Frankly it looked like he didn’t gaf
After quarter time. NOT THE FIRST TIME, HASNT GAF ALL YEAR.

TDK did f all. This is a slow painful good bye now. AGREE, GOT A TOUCH UP TODAY

IMO Cripps Hewitt Walsh try and do too much and get caught. It’s infuriating.   BUT they don’t trust their teammates. AGREE. CRIPPS BURNT OLLIE IN BETTER POSITION A COUPLE OF TIME. ONE OF HIS STUPID BOMBS INTO THE FWD HAD THE COMMENTATORS SUGGESTING THATS POOR BECAUSE THAT RUBS OFF ON THE YOUNG KIDS. HE IS NOT QUICK YET TRIES TO DO TOO MUCH AND GETS CAUGHT TOO OFTEN. "A MAN GOTS TO KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS"



Dunno something is not right with this group / there doesn’t seem to be much camaraderie. They don’t work hard for each other -
No Shepparding, no smashing into the opp to help their teammate get away. Nothing. Individual.AGREE
I like Vossy and what would I know if it’s coaching or not but ffs can we please for the love of all things stop with the bombing it in and start with using our brains!? IF VOSS/RUSSELL ARE TELLING THEM TO DO THOSE STUPID, FUTILE, LOW % BOMBS INTO THE FWD LINE, THEY CAN GO TOMORROW (I PERSONALLY DOUBT IT THEY ARE BUT I CANNOT BE CERTAIN).

2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #39 –
Need to try something with this smaller forward caper. Like we did with Williams, and even Cincotta the last time he was around, see if we can find a half back who might go well forward. Cincotta bot only did a good job as a defensive forward, he kicked some goals too. As Cripps gets older I'd have him forward more and more. Remember how well the like of Ricciuto, Brad Johnson, Barleett, Leigh Matthews and currently Dangerfield have good when put forward late in their careers. At Cripps' height he and ability to get over he'd be a tough match up. We need to throw things aroun d. Look forward to watch Jagga Smith and Cooper Lord working together next year.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #40 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
To be honest, I can't see us winning a premiership while I live. I'm 64.
There isn't the desire. There isn't the skill. There isn't the game plan.
Our list isn't one that is going to challenge.
We don't stop the oppositions' better players; we play them into form.

We are irrelevant. I never thought I'd be writing that, but it is accurate at the moment.

We're much better than we were not that long ago, but we've managed to get into the pack in the middle. That looks like as far as we'll get in this cycle. We need to learn and move on or we'll spend another cycle ending up nowhere.

Only 64 .......... got you covered there young fella.  O:-)

Thing is, we may be old coots but between us, we have seen 8 flags in our lifetime, and the one thing we always saw with those premierships was as you so correctly pointed out, there was "desire".

We took no sh1t from anybody and all of our players played every game like their life depended on it. Not these days, they galavant around safe in the knowledge that they are going to be extremely well paid regardless of the result.

Unless the club is given a clean-out via a "culture enema", we will firmly become the new St. Kilda, content to accept mediocrity.

1995 ......... I had just moved to Sydney, it is a very long time ago now.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #41 –
Of the more established group...(so take out Lord.)
Who is actually playing better this year than last year?

I've got Hewett,
Maybe O Hollands.
perhaps Cerra
Silvagni and Docherty (I know ;) )

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #42 –
14 of our 16 flags came from a time when the competition was Vic only and had 12 teams or less. Players typically had full time jobs and Carlton had wealthy patrons who could attract good players to the club. I would suggest that our issues post 2000 have more to do with an inability or unwillingness to accept that the corporate, hire and fire mentality (which IMO is mistakenly taken as a sign of ruthlessness) has not been tenable for several decades, and those with deep pockets who want to affect decisions but evade accountability, and buy their way out of trouble have continued to impose themselves on the club for too long, causing instability and stalling forward progress.

It should come as little surprise that the two clubs who have suffered the most precipitous decline since their successful VFL days are Essendon and Carlton. It should come as little surprise that the two clubs who have the largest collection of wealthy unaccountable benefactors who treat the club as a playground for factional fighting and dominance, are Essendon and Carlton. And it should come as little surprise that the two clubs who have been busted for large scale cheating in order to get ahead are Essendon and Carlton.

So yes, there are cultural issues, but IMO they have little to do with accepting mediocrity or being insufficiently ruthless.

The club is making good progress IMO towards a proper, national AFL club, and not just a big fish in a small pond, who can't compete effectively because the rules have changed. But those systems that are required to be at the top level (recruiting, development, management, culture etc.) are taking longer to come together than we would like.

The 70's and 80's are long gone, and they're not coming back. We need to be 100% looking forward, not looking back.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Of the more established group...(so take out Lord.)
Who is actually playing better this year than last year?

I've got Hewett,
Maybe O Hollands.
perhaps Cerra
Silvagni and Docherty (I know ;) )
Funny you mention this, I had a look at the list and rated them either positive (better, improved), negative (gone backwards, poor form), neutral (same same).
I had 12 positive, 21 negative, 11 neutral.
+ve's
Silvagni Ollie Hollands Cerra De Koning Lucas Camporeale O'Farrell Weitering Haynes Hewett Carroll Lord White
(with the debutants, I rated them positive because I felt they got into the side, didn't look lost at the level and had some impact.

-ve's
Lachlan Motlop Williams McKay McGovern Acres Fantasia Docherty Kemp Walsh Durdin Elijah Hollands Newman Binns Pittonet Curnow Boyd Cincotta Saad Moir Evans.
So reasoning for the above is injured and needed, not providing the output they should or developed like they should have. The injury one might seem unfair but that's how I see it. Curnow and McKay are the two obvious ones who I think are not delivering anywhere near where they should be (albeit for different reasons).

Neutral
Smith Fogarty Cripps Ben Camporeale Charleston Lemmey Young Monahan Wilson O'Keefe Duffy.
Reasoning for the above is haven't played 1s yet (through injury or readiness), they are just performing like they always have (not better not worse) or we just dont know enough about them to judge.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #44 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Of the more established group...(so take out Lord.)
Who is actually playing better this year than last year?

I've got Hewett,
Maybe O Hollands.
perhaps Cerra
Silvagni and Docherty (I know ;) )
thats why i said this is our 2012.

Our fortunes would look very different with the same team in form and fit.  For mine, we look like a team that has had a poor pre season and the continuous breakdowns are not helping. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson