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Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #30 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Doesn't sound like I missed much; I was in hospital with a cracked rib and didn't follow a second of the game.
I'll look at the replay today as I recover, but it sounds like the only thing I missed was Charlie's injury. :(

Recover quickly...
Just watch the first quarter. ;)
...and stay away from the footy shows this week. ::)

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #31 –
I went to the game WC let us do whatever we wanted for 1.5 quarters and after we were about 55 points up we then got incredibly lazy and arrogant with our disposal. We stopped making good positions and kicked to contests that we just expected to win and didn’t. No respect for opposition at all in this case but WC showed heart in second half something we don’t appear to have. I went to north game as well and they will beat us and they know it.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #32 –
Two games out of the 8, but we have a game in hand on GWS. Bit of a bugger that Brisbane didn't beat them.

GWS are winning big games away but struggling at home.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #33 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Lazy...  we deliberately changed mode to a different style.

Not sure where the idea comes from that this is an effort or desire based situation.

Its a tactical shift to a slower mode of playing.

Not sure where the idea comes from that it's lazy or based on a desire. They are clearly trying to play a different method that is not as contested and there is no practice like match practice.  Occasionally our opposition are forcing this to happen but that wasn't what happened yesterday.

Yes, Vossy explained that the loss of our two key forwards necessitated a change in gamestyle as we jury-rigged a forward line and second ruck.  Silvagni was also in the rooms for a while after a late, high hit.  I suspect that he was undergoing a HIA.  We had McGovern in defence and Williams as our “tall” forward.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #34 –
Has anything been said about Reid’s trip in Q1 ?
Or the elbow to Fogarty ?
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #35 –
Coaches' votes :

9 Adam Cerra (CARL)
9 George Hewett (CARL)
3 Jaxon Binns (CARL)
3 Mitch McGovern (CARL)
2 Harley Reid (WCE)
2 Alex Cincotta (CARL)
1 Tom McCarthy (WCE)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #36 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Has anything been said about Reid’s trip in Q1 ?
Or the elbow to Fogarty ?

I've seen talk in the media about Harley's elbow on Fogarty, but nothing official at this point.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I understand the need to experiment.
I'm all for going full bore on experimentation once our season is out of reach.
Play kids, or fringe players who may be on one last chance.
Play around with structure
Try players in different positions.
I'm not sure in a senior match where you are still a finals chance though is the best time or place.

If it was in fact a deliberate move...
We didn't gain much from changing things up, if anything...
-For a start the side we put on the field (and ended up on the field) is probably well short of our best 22 so any learning opportunity only applies to those playing>
-we lost an opportunity to improve on our percentage.
-we may have re-inforced doubts amongst our players about our ability to play out a game.
(that's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy...if they doubt... when one or two things go wrong it can get into their heads. Maybe that's what is happening already
-it didn't work, and a team labelled as pathetic by their coach at quarter time is suddenly competitive.
-it may work against a West Coast. Try it against a Collingwood and they'll run all over us. Different opposition-different tactics.

Not sure how much we changed and if it was planned or if it was something we did because of injuries.
However, there COULD be a need to 'experiment' a little bit.
If nothing else, you try this stuff against a hack team so that you have it nailed by the time you need it for a good team. Not sure how often we've tried it, but if its something we've been attempting all year, with the amount we've been overrun, it clearly needs more training.

At the end of the day, we won the game.
At the end of the day, our percentage is not something we need to worry about.

Hopefully we learned something and it helps us in the future.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #38 –
Shows how much we've missed Cincotta, just seems to be one of the types who finds himself in the right place at the right moment.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #39 –
Quote from: LP – on
Shows how much we've missed Cincotta, just seems to be one of the types who finds himself in the right place at the right moment.
Blokes like Cinc and Lord just go out and do exactly what is asked of them for the good of the team. A coach cannot ask for more than that.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: LP – on
Shows how much we've missed Cincotta, just seems to be one of the types who finds himself in the right place at the right moment.
Blokes like Cinc and Lord just go out and do exactly what is asked of them for the good of the team. A coach cannot ask for more than that.
Really enjoy watching the constant effort of both of these guys.

Good for Binns to be in the coaches votes.

Someone said earlier we are hell boring to watch - absolutely totally agree.  It seems surreal after years of being on Friday nights and being howled down, that we turned it around and became an exciting team to watch! Thank god we’re not on Friday nights much anymore 🥱

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #41 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Blokes like Cinc and Lord just go out and do exactly what is asked of them for the good of the team. A coach cannot ask for more than that.

I've heard Voss singing Cincotta's praises because he is so coachable.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #42 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Blokes like Cinc and Lord just go out and do exactly what is asked of them for the good of the team. A coach cannot ask for more than that.
Really enjoy watching the constant effort of both of these guys.

Good for Binns to be in the coaches votes.

Someone said earlier we are hell boring to watch - absolutely totally agree.  It seems surreal after years of being on Friday nights and being howled down, that we turned it around and became an exciting team to watch! Thank god we’re not on Friday nights much anymore 🥱
Good Carlton teams have always been exciting to watch and played innovative football, we have shown we can play modern footy for a quarter or two this season with players like Saad, Ollie Hollands and Lord providing run and carry and lacing some passes to our forwards but then we default to this horrible slow  Soviet cold war brand as I like to call it which invites errors and the opposition to take us on more and we become paralysed and stop to a walk. Its a consistent theme nearly every game and its so bad a lot of fans switch off and wont watch because you know where its heading if we are playing anyone decent.
 

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I understand the need to experiment.
I'm all for going full bore on experimentation once our season is out of reach.
Play kids, or fringe players who may be on one last chance.
Play around with structure
Try players in different positions.
I'm not sure in a senior match where you are still a finals chance though is the best time or place.

If it was in fact a deliberate move...
We didn't gain much from changing things up, if anything...
-For a start the side we put on the field (and ended up on the field) is probably well short of our best 22 so any learning opportunity only applies to those playing>
-we lost an opportunity to improve on our percentage.
-we may have re-inforced doubts amongst our players about our ability to play out a game.
(that's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy...if they doubt... when one or two things go wrong it can get into their heads. Maybe that's what is happening already
-it didn't work, and a team labelled as pathetic by their coach at quarter time is suddenly competitive.
-it may work against a West Coast. Try it against a Collingwood and they'll run all over us. Different opposition-different tactics.

Understand what you're stating here, Principal Lods, and if it were a one off I'd wholeheartedly agree, especially considering our ladder position.

However... there was very little different in the way we played to most of the entire season, sheesh, to the past few years. Doesn't seem to matter who we put on the paddock or in whatever position... We deliver the same results, shoot to the top of the mountain then gradually roll down to, or near, the bottom. And I actually don't think anyone knows why.

It's almost as if we've created a unique brand: look all conquering for a while, then shizen the bed. Whatever it is, it sure aint delivering the very best version of ourselves for anything more than thirty or fourty minutes! Gameplan, between the lugholes/psychological profile, diet, burden of expectation, development, selection, clueless coaching... FIIK.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #44 –
That's the strange thing Baggers

We are being told we changed a few things up due to injuries.
But in fact the course of the match pretty much mirrored a lot of our performances this year.