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Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #15
Even though finals may still be a statistical possibility it's a fantasy, and would have a nightmare end should we make it.
Time to play the list...Lemmey's, Camporeales, O'Farrell, give Wilson and Young a few more games.
Not all at once, but over the period.
It's no good forcing that sort of change on the senior team selection, then claiming results like tonight are the coaches fault.

The hard reality is, most of those names will struggle to play out a single full game let alone two or three in a row, and they'll have little to no AFL impact. I'm not even sure Lemmey could survive a quarter.

To top it off, I think our new fitness guru is dead-set rubbish, this is the slowest and most physically piss weak we've look for a decade.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #16
@kruddler continuing on that average age chat, was just doing some various mental gymnastics about sides and average ages.

It could be right, but I think its being over stated somewhat.

Off thr top of my head our oldest players today would have been cripps, docherty, Williams, saad, haynes, McGovern.   Acres probably a smidgeon behind them.  The rest are all under that age or thereabouts. 

So it may very well be thr oldest average, but we dont exactly have a cliff coming where the rest of the side is in dire straights.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #17
It'll never be written but the "untold, behind the scenes story" of Carlton's 2025 would be fascinating reading.
I'm convinced there are things going on within the playing/ coaching group that are having dramatic effects on performance.

So it's time for some hard decisions.
But a lot of them are list decisions that can wait a few more weeks.
I'm with Kruds.
This felt a bit like Ratten's last game
But sacking Voss at this stage would only be a 'sacrificial offering' to please the masses.

Even though finals may still be a statistical possibility it's a fantasy, and would have a nightmare end should we make it.
Time to play the list...Lemmey's, Camporeales, O'Farrell, give Wilson and Young a few more games.
Not all at once, but over the period.
If any surgeries are needed  prioritise them and get any major ones out of the way so they are ready for the pre-season.
Rest players with the niggly injuries.



Yep, oldest team since 1944, play the kids. Doc, Saad, Acres, Gov, Fogarty can all play reserves for the rest of the year.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #18
Even though finals may still be a statistical possibility it's a fantasy, and would have a nightmare end should we make it.
Time to play the list...Lemmey's, Camporeales, O'Farrell, give Wilson and Young a few more games.
Not all at once, but over the period.
It's no good forcing that sort of change on the senior team selection, then claiming results like tonight are the coaches fault.

The hard reality is, most of those names will struggle to play out a single full game let alone two or three in a row, and they'll have little to no AFL impact. I'm not even sure Lemmey could survive a quarter.

I think our new fitness guru is dead-set rubbish, this is the slowest and most physically piss weak we've look for a decade.

I said you don't play them all at once, but at least give them a taste.
There's enough matches left to do that rotating them through.
Give them the exposure.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #19
If it was my call, I'd let Vossy coach out the year which is what I think the club will do.
Unless he quits because he thinks he's lost the players?
The pressure on him will be immense from the media pack
I feel for him somewhat.


Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #20
Get horse in now.

Get wright into his position now. 

dont wait another week.

Put every single player up for trade at seasons end if the right deal is there. We dont need to worry about how that will affect the list as the list is cooked in every way and will never make the grade in the current format

Ive said it countless times massive change needed and it will need to be ruthless in order to have any longterm affect.

all this talk about minor changes and expecting a sizeable change is absolutely fantasy.

Rip the bandaid off now. like others ive lost a lot of interest - stopped my membership
at end of 22. stopped going to any games. and now watch games without enthusiasm expecting nothing.

Then to hear cripps say he is happy with effort. if i wasnt a 40 year plus supporter i would call it quits on this club.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #21
I said you don't play them all at once, but at least give them a taste.
There's enough matches left to do that rotating them through.
Give them the exposure.
Football 2025 style means a single weak link and you'll concede chains of disposal, you have to be at least competitive on every line just to break even.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #22
Get horse in now.

Get wright into his position now. 

dont wait another week.

Put every single player up for trade at seasons end if the right deal is there. We dont need to worry about how that will affect the list as the list is cooked in every way and will never make the grade in the current format

Ive said it countless times massive change needed and it will need to be ruthless in order to have any longterm affect.

all this talk about minor changes and expecting a sizeable change is absolutely fantasy.

Rip the bandaid off now. like others ive lost a lot of interest - stopped my membership
at end of 22. stopped going to any games. and now watch games without enthusiasm expecting nothing.

Then to hear cripps say he is happy with effort. if i wasnt a 40 year plus supporter i would call it quits on this club.
fantasy is expecting lots of changes to yield a good result.

You cant build a team, cohesion and game plan changing everything.  It will leave us in the wilderness for 5 years.  Horse took over from roos.  Continuity of message and brand. We'll hang him in 3 years.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #23
Get horse in now.

Get wright into his position now. 

dont wait another week.

Put every single player up for trade at seasons end if the right deal is there. We dont need to worry about how that will affect the list as the list is cooked in every way and will never make the grade in the current format

Ive said it countless times massive change needed and it will need to be ruthless in order to have any longterm affect.

all this talk about minor changes and expecting a sizeable change is absolutely fantasy.

Rip the bandaid off now. like others ive lost a lot of interest - stopped my membership
at end of 22. stopped going to any games. and now watch games without enthusiasm expecting nothing.

Then to hear cripps say he is happy with effort. if i wasnt a 40 year plus supporter i would call it quits on this club.
fantasy is expecting lots of changes to yield a good result.

You cant build a team, cohesion and game plan changing everything.  It will leave us in the wilderness for 5 years.  Horse took over from roos.  Continuity of message and brand. We'll hang him in 3 years.

we have been in the wilderness for 30 years if you want to look at history.

As i said anything short of major change will result in our continued trend of failure.

Every year we are talked up every year we fail. Enough.

get ruthless or accept our current state. we are way too far off the pack for minor change to improve us.

It is what it is - accept it and make the big calls to change the pattern.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #24
I said you don't play them all at once, but at least give them a taste.
There's enough matches left to do that rotating them through.
Give them the exposure.
Football 2025 style means a single weak link and you'll concede chains of disposal, you have to be at least competitive on every line just to break even.

We're not competitive now.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #25
Meh senior players are decent - the systematic method of moving the ball in the forward half is dead set dog poo. The we leave the back half wide open on turn over pending on tackles inside 50 instead of a lead up. Its just a rubbish game plan forward of 50.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #26
Loved Crippa and his interview after the game - I didn’t watch any of the game and won’t which is why I’m not seething with rage 😂

He sounded sick talking.

He seemed to genuinely speaj positively
Of Voss.

Could it be a case of just too many injuries and the side is just so depleted?

How different do the games look with Harry Newman Walsh Smith all Playing? And a fully fit Cripps Doch Cincotta Acres Weiters?

I have always thought our development was poor so we get to the point 10 of our best are injured or playing under duress and we’ve not developed the next lot at all to come in and take some
Of the load.

Don’t know 🤷🏻‍♀️

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #27
Loved Crippa and his interview after the game - I didn’t watch any of the game and won’t which is why I’m not seething with rage 😂

He sounded sick talking.

He seemed to genuinely speaj positively
Of Voss.

Could it be a case of just too many injuries and the side is just so depleted?

How different do the games look with Harry Newman Walsh Smith all Playing? And a fully fit Cripps Doch Cincotta Acres Weiters?

I have always thought our development was poor so we get to the point 10 of our best are injured or playing under duress and we’ve not developed the next lot at all to come in and take some
Of the load.

Don’t know 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's one of the reasons I'd like to think that someday we'll actually find out about the shenanigans that took place during the 2025 campaign.
I reckon there are multiple levels to our issues ranging from injury, mental health, disagreements, different standards to fracturing of relationships.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #28
If you are good team with pride and everyone on the same page you rebound and play with effort, we stupidly played unfit players and even a dud like Hinkley was able to exploit that with Bergman playing on Cripps and Im not sure what Voss was thinking playing Weitering on Georgiades, just a disaster playing unfit players but to play the injured Weitering on a player whose game is based around leading and mobility was disgraceful, we got lucky the Port player didnt kick ten.
The Von Trapp kids would have more idea about how to lay a tackle than our blokes, how many times did they break our tackles?
We are physically slow but also mentally slow, dont let Port Players run down the ground for easy uncontested marks, check them and make it harder for them to get to these easy kicks, we dont think quick enough.
TDK has given it away too, we needed him to dominate to have any chance but the Port Combo ruck negated him and were on top in the hitouts. A real miserable evening given we probably deserved to lose by more given how uncompetitive we were...
The players and leadership group let the coach down tonight and sealed his fate, yep Voss didnt have a great night in the box but the players just went through the motions and were pathetic if thats how they rally to support their embattled coach.
Clearly they dont care and dont want to play for him and most of them are there for the money only...

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #29
Sacking Voss is NOT the answer.

It would be this groups 4th(?) coach.

Sack the under performing leaders.