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Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #90
I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past. 

You've been around long enough to know that THIS is how it starts.
Plenty of supporters (some on here) are calling for exactly that.

On fox footy before the game, they were talking about the pressure Vossy is under and how the club reacts to that - ie sack the coach.
The media are running with it. Supporters are calling for it.
Just need the swell to build a bit more and bang, same old same old.

I am very confident this version of the CFC is not dancing to the media tune. Taken literally, 'under pressure' does not equate to calling for a sacking. But some will interpret it that way and make a noise. They're the loud 'quick fix' brigade and deserve ignoring. Along with the boneheads who vandalized PP.

Bottom line is that Vossy and co. still have time to turn things around. We hope he does. But optimism is slim.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #91
While the board might rubber stamp it, any decision regarding the coach will probably be made at the Cook/Wright level.
The way it sounds is that Wright is moving around the club talking to a lot of people including players.
Cook has a reputation of not pulling the plug on coaches...but would be all over the goings on at the club

Both would be aware of any issues or rifts.
I'm pretty confident that any decision they make will be what they regard as the best one for the club.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #92
Although not all his fault, this does not bode well:
FACT: Michael Voss has coached 194 games for 88 wins, 104 losses, and two draws. His 45.88% win percentage is the second-worst among active coaches who have coached at least 40 games.
I didn't actually realise his he's record was that bad.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #93
I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past. 

Hold my beer!
Baggers I have lost all confidence in the entire club. Whilst nothing has happened, I cant help but feel the writing is on the wall. The entire club is FOS and I trust a word anyone says anymore. They need to regain my trust (especially the players) as it has completely broken and it will take a very long time to win it back. So I am gonna be very cynical, angry and negative for a very long time so ban mods ban me now if it's not gonna be to your liking. I have had a gutful.

Same here. Like you, GTC old son, what I see on the paddock is very ordinary, especially placed up against all the promises and hype during the pre season. Then seeing Vossy minimizing our issues at 4 zip early in the season (we supporters could see the writing on the way) with 'still plenty of runway in front of us' is galling. Denial. Ignore the problems... see where it gets you when you're stuck in toxic positivity (yes, it's a real term!).

But... where there's life, there's hope. And being the ever (delusional???) hopeful lover of the club, I hang my hopes on the club realising that they've got important things wrong and face it head on ...and things will change.

I think I should share that beer with you. If it's your shout, I'm a bit of a traditionalist... make mine a Crowny or VB.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #94


You've been around long enough to know that THIS is how it starts.
Plenty of supporters (some on here) are calling for exactly that.

On fox footy before the game, they were talking about the pressure Vossy is under and how the club reacts to that - ie sack the coach.
The media are running with it. Supporters are calling for it.
Just need the swell to build a bit more and bang, same old same old.

I am very confident this version of the CFC is not dancing to the media tune. Taken literally, 'under pressure' does not equate to calling for a sacking. But some will interpret it that way and make a noise. They're the loud 'quick fix' brigade and deserve ignoring. Along with the boneheads who vandalized PP.

Bottom line is that Vossy and co. still have time to turn things around. We hope he does. But optimism is slim.

Vossy and the boos were booed off the ground last week.
Quite possibly again last night.
If that happens every week, you think the club will have balls enough to stick fat with him?
I'm not so confident.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #95
Although not all his fault, this does not bode well:
FACT: Michael Voss has coached 194 games for 88 wins, 104 losses, and two draws. His 45.88% win percentage is the second-worst among active coaches who have coached at least 40 games.
I didn't actually realise his he's record was that bad.

He had a win % of 39% at Brisbane.
He has a win % of 53% at Carton.

I don't want to point out the obvious, but he wins more than he loses with us.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #96
Although not all his fault, this does not bode well:
FACT: Michael Voss has coached 194 games for 88 wins, 104 losses, and two draws. His 45.88% win percentage is the second-worst among active coaches who have coached at least 40 games.
I didn't actually realise his he's record was that bad.


Does that include his time at Brisbane.
I'd think his Carlton record is much better than that.
(Edit- Thanks Kruds)

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #97
Doesn't help when some clown like Buddy jumps on the bandwagon and his comments re the coaching situation are given merit.  Spare me.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #98
Although not all his fault, this does not bode well:
FACT: Michael Voss has coached 194 games for 88 wins, 104 losses, and two draws. His 45.88% win percentage is the second-worst among active coaches who have coached at least 40 games.
I didn't actually realise his he's record was that bad.

You could look overall, or focus only on his record at Carlton. Both are reasonable IMO. As I type, Carlton only it's 53.53%, better than Ratten.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #99
I really don't have anything to add to what has already been said.
There's a number of reasons why we have gone so pair shaped, it's not a simple fix.
Whoever can fix this mess deserves the keys to the city and a bronze statue outside PP.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #100
While the board might rubber stamp it, any decision regarding the coach will probably be made at the Cook/Wright level.
The way it sounds is that Wright is moving around the club talking to a lot of people including players.
Cook has a reputation of not pulling the plug on coaches...but would be all over the goings on at the club

Both would be aware of any issues or rifts.
I'm pretty confident that any decision they make will be what they regard as the best one for the club.
Exactamundo... we really are doing things differently. I'm confident in the thoroughness of Cook/Wright. Who knows, they may decide on strong list changes, a few coaching changes and keep the senior coach? Coach and players till have a tiny window of opportunity to turn the ship around - not written with a great deal of conviction. Well, we'll know in... corporate cliche imminent... 'due course.'

I can't resist... the club will 'take the helicopter view,' then 'drill down into issues,' remove what's on 'the back-burner' check out what's up the 'flag pole' and who's 'saluting', increase the 'bandwidth' of analysis and see where all that 'lands.'
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #101


I am very confident this version of the CFC is not dancing to the media tune. Taken literally, 'under pressure' does not equate to calling for a sacking. But some will interpret it that way and make a noise. They're the loud 'quick fix' brigade and deserve ignoring. Along with the boneheads who vandalized PP.

Bottom line is that Vossy and co. still have time to turn things around. We hope he does. But optimism is slim.

Vossy and the boos were booed off the ground last week.
Quite possibly again last night.
If that happens every week, you think the club will have balls enough to stick fat with him?
I'm not so confident.

I'm far from confident. But am sticking phat for now.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #102
I really don't have anything to add to what has already been said.
There's a number of reasons why we have gone so pair shaped, it's not a simple fix.
Whoever can fix this mess deserves the keys to the city and a bronze statue outside PP.

If you know any good exorcists, now might be a good time to get in touch.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #103
@kruddler continuing on that average age chat, was just doing some various mental gymnastics about sides and average ages.

It could be right, but I think its being over stated somewhat.

Off thr top of my head our oldest players today would have been cripps, docherty, Williams, saad, haynes, McGovern.   Acres probably a smidgeon behind them.  The rest are all under that age or thereabouts. 

So it may very well be thr oldest average, but we dont exactly have a cliff coming where the rest of the side is in dire straights.

@Thryleon
A better breakdown of current ages
30+:
6 - Cripps, McGovern, Williams, Saad, Docherty, Haynes
Missing 1 - Newman
27-29:
7 - Silvagni, Weitering, Curnow, Cincotta, Hewett, Acres, Fantasia -
Missing 2 - Pittonet, McKay
25-26:
5 - Boyd, L. Young, Fogarty, Cerra, De Koning
Missing 2 - Cottrell, Walsh*** turns 25 next week

Thats 18 players....
From the rest who played....

23: 1 - FYoung.
21: 2 - Motlop, O. Hollands
20: 2 - Lord, Wilson

Don't know what considers a 'cliff', but you'd expect better from that group if they were fit.

Biggest issue with that list is the younger age brackets.
eg 25-26 has 5 players.
TDK will walk.
L. Young and Boyd are not considered best 22, Fogarty might be, but only just.
Cerra only managed 17 touches last night and thats not good enough.
 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #104
Who are our quick players on that
I list