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Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #75 –
People say drop players to set standards and play kids who haven't earned games. 

We've got one who's only endearing attribute is he is tall.  Probably the week he kicked 7 from 10 shots was the week to bring him in.

In any case I see the juxtaposition in both sides and some here are just interested in criticism.  Thats fine.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
People say drop players to set standards and play kids who haven't earned games. 

We've got one who's only endearing attribute is he is tall.  Probably the week he kicked 7 from 10 shots was the week to bring him in.

In any case I see the juxtaposition in both sides and some here are just interested in criticism.  Thats fine.

I think it's more a case of our position.
The season is gone.
The players would realise this.
The emphasis should change from setting standards to analysis, experimentation, playing the youth or undecideds.... and maybe seeing a few players off for clean-up ops if required.

Winning and losing should no longer reflect on the coaching group.
Those decisions should already have been made, but if not, there should be enough body of work to make a judgement.

For that reason I think it's probably a case of "let's have a better look at those we haven't seen at AFL level."
I suspect if you're not getting a game now then a decision has already been made on your furture.
That doesn't necessarily mean the chop.
It could be you're staying, so there is no rush.

On the other hand fringe players who are getting a game may be the ones they're not sure about and want to give a final opportunity or two to show something.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #77 –
Tone deaf leadership.  The rank and file aren't idiots, we know finals (and winning games) is unachievable, we want to see if any of the new players offer something instead of the same old craptrucks.
For starters, I don't know why Saad was an automatic inclusion - he has stunk this year - what's not to gain running Boyd, Billy or Charleston in defence instead?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
People say drop players to set standards and play kids who haven't earned games. 

We've got one who's only endearing attribute is he is tall.  Probably the week he kicked 7 from 10 shots was the week to bring him in.

In any case I see the juxtaposition in both sides and some here are just interested in criticism.  Thats fine.

I think it's more a case of our position.
The season is gone.
The players would realise this.
The emphasis should change from setting standards to analysis, experimentation, playing the youth or undecideds.... and maybe seeing a few players off for clean-up ops if required.

Winning and losing should no longer reflect on the coaching group.
Those decisions should already have been made, but if not, there should be enough body of work to make a judgement.

For that reason I think it's probably a case of "let's have a better look at those we haven't seen at AFL level."
I suspect if you're not getting a game now then a decision has already been made on your furture.
That doesn't necessarily mean the chop.
It could be you're staying, so there is no rush.

On the other hand fringe players who are getting a game may be the ones they're not sure about and want to give a final opportunity or two to show something.

lods team dynamics are a thing.

If you preach one message all year, do the right things and you get a game and then when the season is gone go a completely different way, what message do you send?

How come the raft of other "kids" arent going to be gifted games too? 

There's 46 listed players you're trying to keep happy.  If you start "playing favourites" with young players then do you start making a rod for your own back?

Do we want to give players games only to breed the next version of pavlovs dogs to use an LPism and then cement in a laser mentality?  The vfl kids are vying for finals football and I do see the merit in playing a strong team there and keeping their team chemistry.

We also may have to remarkably unsettle our attempt to play a game plan to accommodate a slower lead from the square full forward so you have to change a lot to squeeze him in.

Speaking of which one of pittonet or tdk goes out to accommodate lemmey.  Pittonet is probably the closer comparison of the two but with tdk potentially on the way out pittonet is the last one dropped for mine, and for team balance our problem is a lack of run.  Playing lemmey won't improve our lack of run. He also needs good forward entries to get involved. 

Like I said I want to see lemmey at afl level.  Im not sure how its going to go given how many fringe players we need to make a decision on in a game that is going to be heavily contested.

Of our opponents to the back end of the season only the bombers game shapes as a game where he will get a favourable match up.  Everyone else is degrees of no good for lemmey.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #79 –
I think the players are probably smart enough to differentiate between a season that has essentially ended and one that is quite alive.
They would probably appreciate a little reward for efforts in the form of fringe guys getting a taste as opposed to just playing out a dead season.
It's not 46 either...with injuries, suspension and players that haven't already played we're probably only talking a handful.

I'm not sure how things stand but there may be some value for the VFL side to have a few of the seniors drop back for a game or two just to make sure they qualify for a finals game at VFL level.
Is Pittonet eligible? Doc? Cowan?
A couple of experienced heads may actually bolster their chances.

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Reply #80 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
lods team dynamics are a thing.

If you preach one message all year, do the right things and you get a game and then when the season is gone go a completely different way, what message do you send?

....

Speaking of which one of pittonet or tdk goes out to accommodate lemmey.  Pittonet is probably the closer comparison of the two but with tdk potentially on the way out pittonet is the last one dropped for mine, and for team balance our problem is a lack of run.  Playing lemmey won't improve our lack of run. He also needs good forward entries to get involved. 

Like I said I want to see lemmey at afl level.  Im not sure how its going to go given how many fringe players we need to make a decision on in a game that is going to be heavily contested.

Team dynamics are a thing.
Reward players, don't gift games.
Set standards.

TDK is walking out the door. He is out of form. We are now shoehorning him into the lineup as a forward because we don't have one available.

Remind me again why Lemmey goes against all of the above, despite what we are doing going against all of the above??

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #81 –
No point in trying logic Kruds, this club is long past the point of doing anything in a common sense or intelligent fashion.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #82 –
Charlie hasn't kicked a goal for 4 weeks, if form is the only factor why isn't he in in the twos or Lemmey in the team to help free him up. Selection is always a mystery at Carlton and favourites exist, until we get rid of this class system where some players are automatics regardless of form  we will continue to struggle.
Elite players can get elite treatment only if they perform and the MC need to show who is boss and not pamper these so called elite with free games.
 

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #83 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Charlie hasn't kicked a goal for 4 weeks, if form is the only factor why isn't he in in the twos or Lemmey in the team to help free him up. Selection is always a mystery at Carlton and favourites exist, until we get rid of this class system where some players are automatics regardless of form
we will continue to struggle.
Elite players can get elite treatment only if they perform and the MC need to show who is boss and not pamper these so called elite with free games.

....and as you might recall, when i first called for Lemmey was off the back of some good performances in the VFL and some poor ones by an injured Curnow.

Curnow could've been rested. Lemmey would've had an extended run in the 1's to prove to everyone beyond a shadow of a doubt he is no good and not worth persistnig with (or potentially surprising everyone too) and now a fit Charlie could reenter the side and we have 1 less 'unknown' about our playing list in the process......and the win/loss record will still be the same.

What have we lost? Nothing.
What have we gained?
Some insight into Lemmey.
Freshin up an a-grade talent.
Set an example that underperforming in the 1's won't be tolerated, regardless of who you are.

.....but no. Not us, not Carlton... ::)

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #84 –
opportunity is now to try players in a different position / chance for youngsters/ maybe different game plan all in redness for 26.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #85 –
I view "gifting games" as "development" when you are selecting young players and at a time in the season where there is nothing to play for except the next season. eg Moir has been a banana in the twos and done SFA for most of the season and looked miles off senior footy but as we have seen with senior elevation he has shown way more in terms of effort and ability and probably saved his spot on the list.
Surely we dont want to hand Port Adelaide a free KP Forward in Lemmey without seeing what he has to offer?
Playing Lemmey will also have a flow on effect of telling Charlie, Harry and others that if your form and attitude is sub par we wont hesitate to make a change and bring in younger players. You build depth, competition for places and all the players know if they perform consistently they will be rewarded and everyone is equal in that regard.

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Reply #86 –
The footy gods are helping out: Corey Durdin named as the sub. (nothing personal, CD).

So, how much are we going to win by... ::)
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #87 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
The footy gods are helping out: Corey Durdin named as the sub. (nothing personal, CD).

So, how much are we going to win by... ::)

It's winnable.
24 pts. ;D

But for me the main aspect will be the effort and intensity...and perhaps to see some of the more maligned step up, and the youngsters to show they may have a future.

It will be very disappointing if we don't give it a go.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #88 –
agree with eb.
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Charlie hasn't kicked a goal for 4 weeks, if form is the only factor why isn't he in in the twos or Lemmey in the team to help free him up. Selection is always a mystery at Carlton and favourites exist, until we get rid of this class system where some players are automatics regardless of form  we will continue to struggle.
Elite players can get elite treatment only if they perform and the MC need to show who is boss and not pamper these so called elite with free games.

Spot on - if we were a serious club Curnow would be as a min starting on the bench or should be ‘ managed’ and TDK should be in the 2nds as its obvious he has checked out. we could have made a statement with him that if your not all in youre out - that is if selection integrity was in our culture which clearly its not and we are where we are - sh1thouse. 

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Reply #89 –
If TDK was playing well id be grown up and play him nrl style.
He hasn’t been playing well though and id be looking at playing HOK
Let’s go BIG !