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Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #15 –
Game went to script imo, we made Freo work hard on their home deck but you could see game changing as their better players like Jackson decided to get more interested. I was expecting worse and I thought Cripps and Hewett were outstanding vs a very good opposing midfield. Freo have more overall talent and eventually executed their skills better as we seem to tire and get error prone in the last part of the game and the score blew out but we need to bring that early form in the remaining games and we might be able to squeeze a win or two out vs less competent opposition and finish the year in a positive manner.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #16 –
Best game I have seen from Evans - lots of defensive pressure and 2 goals - possibly suited by the wet and windy conditions but I don't know if we see those conditions often enough to justify keeping him in 2026

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #17 –
What a rabble. What’s with the handpass to a stationary player directly towards goal (who has no momentum and has to pivot 180) which fails time and time again .. CAUGHT!!!
Senior players who want to play in a flag-winning team should flee and never look back

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #18 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I thought Cripps and Hewett were outstanding vs a very good opposing midfield.

Agreed but a lot of Cripps' disposals were scrubber kicks so his stats might have suggested that he played better than he actually did.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #19 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I thought Cripps and Hewett were outstanding vs a very good opposing midfield.

Agreed but a lot of Cripps' disposals were scrubber kicks so his stats might have suggested that he played better than he actually did.
Agree on Cripps, but I guess Im looking at him and Hewett winning the ball ahead of their Freo opposition and denying their mids first opportunity. The captains kicking has got worse and I think it was MBB  who made a good comment a while back about him getting on his left foot a lot and just screwing it around the corner and dumping it anywhere.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #20 –
HOF looks like an ACL and word on the street from an ITK on BF is that SOS is gone.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #21 –
Voss says looks like young o Farrell done an acl.

Look no further than this dreaded injury for why weve gone backwards. We've had no less than one per season in the last 10 years and often multiple in the same year.

Last years draft crop now have two members of that list out of 1 season.

I dont know what thing we have done to enjoy such bad luck, but this is a joke.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #22 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Gee I feel differently to you lot ^

I was extremely proud Of the effort, we ran out of steam and the game changed course as soon as HOF was injured.

Young does my head in though he is too slow thinking and reacting.

Was impressed with Lords game he gets in there and generally does well. He will learn and improve.

White and Carroll were good in the first half but must’ve just run out of puff. I feel like they should move Moir around, he has natural skill but wasn’t able to impose himself.  White did a few things too but then think he got bullied out of the game and went missing. Frankie was pretty good!

I love Cowan, love the way he plays.

Don’t feel like Weitets or TDK were at their best. Nor Ollie.

Few brain fades when things started getting tight.

Love George and Cripps - they deserved the win.

But all in all, nothing to play for, interstate against a finals aspirant, i think it was pretty good 👏🏽

Looks from the 'likes' you were not alone.
Great first half.
"Pressure and intensity" basically switched sides in the second half...but how many of us expected that would happen?
Much better than I expected, and in the end they were just a little more classy, a little stronger and had more to play for than we did.
You can fault some of the skills and some (a fair bit) of the decision making, but we can't fault the effort.

Some folks have mentioned the fitness, I think it's more about the taxing, physical game we play. Yes, there is an element of fitness in that, but I'm not sure we can train this group to the required level.

We hurt and tire ourselves more than we hurt and tire the opposition
Opposition sides absorb that before hitting back.
Under the current regime it's the only way we know to play.
Selections (such as a heap of small forwards who are more defenders than attackers) are designed to fit that style of play.

There's nothing wrong with the style of play, at it's best it's very competitive.
We just don't have the players to maintain it for a whole game.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #23 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
HOF looks like an ACL and word on the street from an ITK on BF is that SOS is gone.
Very sad for HarryO as he looks the part at CHB and going forward with Jack looking gone as you said he was/is going to be important. We need to get an exorcism done at the club or a weekly sage burning session as the place is cursed....

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Voss says looks like young o Farrell done an acl.

Look no further than this dreaded injury for why weve gone backwards. We've had no less than one per season in the last 10 years and often multiple in the same year.

Last years draft crop now have two members of that list out of 1 season.

I dont know what thing we have done to enjoy such bad luck, but this is a joke.

If true, that's a tragedy.
Just when he was starting to really find his feet.
We'll wait for confirmation.



Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #25 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Gee I feel differently to you lot ^

I was extremely proud Of the effort, we ran out of steam and the game changed course as soon as HOF was injured.

Young does my head in though he is too slow thinking and reacting.

Was impressed with Lords game he gets in there and generally does well. He will learn and improve.

White and Carroll were good in the first half but must’ve just run out of puff. I feel like they should move Moir around, he has natural skill but wasn’t able to impose himself.  White did a few things too but then think he got bullied out of the game and went missing. Frankie was pretty good!

I love Cowan, love the way he plays.

Don’t feel like Weitets or TDK were at their best. Nor Ollie.

Few brain fades when things started getting tight.

Love George and Cripps - they deserved the win.

But all in all, nothing to play for, interstate against a finals aspirant, i think it was pretty good 👏🏽
I'm angry and frustrated that we lost, but like Mickey, I was proud of the effort today. We had half a team, and lost a guy we couldn't afford to lose, and we were in it until late in the last quarter.

Unfortunately, there are some significant issues that need to be addressed:
[1] Fitness: we run out of puff after half time. It means we don't connect well, our decision making and disposal drop off and we lose confidence.
[2] Our game plan isn't that bad, but it is limited by our personnel.
[3] We have almost as many injuries as last year; it suggests that Russell wasn't our issue. We certainly ran out games better under him.
To be honest, I'd be poaching the fitness boss from teams like Hawthorn or Adelaide, who seem that much fitter than we are.
[4] Plan B:
It is true that we don't really have one, but we won't make it work at our present level of fitness.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #26 –
Hawks fitness guy is no good, he’s broken Will Day again…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #27 –
Shattered for HoF, we are truly *()!?"#@g cursed as a club, we just can't catch any kind of bloody break.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
 

Re: AFL Rd 21 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #28 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
A lot of people hate on Harry but he laid 10 tackles and brought the ball to ground a lot.  Needed some support which was missing once we lost the tall back. 

Not sure anyone was doubting Harry's effort. More his ability to impact games on the scoreboard.

We have so many 'good forwards' who rate highly in tackle numbers. Thats great and it has its place.
That being said, tackle numbers don't win you games, clearly. Perhaps if we spent more time training kicking goals, we'd have more wins on the board.

Curnow and McKay combined average less than 3 goals a game.
Fogarty
Motlop
Durdin
Evans
Williams
White
F. Young
Fantasia
Moir

Thats 9 players. Averages out to about 8 goals a game from them......and thats if we play them all!

Combine that with our 2 key forwards and we get 11 goals a game from 11 forwards.
Now, clearly we don't play 9 small forwards a game, but the averages stay the same.
Number of forwards we play = number of goals from those forwards

There's not a lot of games you will win with that kind of turnaround, especially since our midfielder (and backs) are going to kick less goals than our forwards.

You see the problem with tackle numbers? Its almost coming at the expense of goals kicked!
How many easy Joe the goose goals do we get? Our smalls are too busy clogging up the backline and nobody is 'cheating' forward for an easy goal.
Our team NEEDS more easy goals.
We need forwards to be forwards and kick goals.

As i said, i get the modern game and the pressure required etc.
To that i have a simple response - Check the ladder and let me know how thats working out for us.

FWIW,
We are 4th in the league for tackles per game.
We are 14th for goals a game.
We are 13th on the ladder.

So good on Harry.
Lets see him, and his mates, kick some bloody goals though!