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Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #15 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

I think he would do ok as a Head of Football but would be better at another club rather than reconnecting with his old mate Voss.
Id prefer some fresh ideas from someone different rather than the "Port Adelaide model" being reheated..
Bartel would be better imo and the rumour is they offered the job and big money to Danny Daly from Brisbane but he wants to be a senior coach and thats probably unfair to Voss to have a coach in waiting at the club. From that point of view Id prefer Bartel and even Hinkley just to give Voss some breathing space...

I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.

Has an existing relationship with Voss.
Has more experience than you will likely find.
Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently.
Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.

Whats not to like?

The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted. 

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #16 –
According to local sources, Ken Hinkley was sounded out by CFC for a player development role.   Apparently his ability to encourage and develop young players has been a strength during time as Port coach.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #17 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.

Has an existing relationship with Voss.
Has more experience than you will likely find.
Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently.
Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.

Whats not to like?

The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted. 


Depends on your definition of failure.

There is 1 premier every season, and the coach doesnt fail, the team does but even then, dumb luck can play a factor.

When you strip it down, finals is the reward for a successful season, and then going on to win, is the ultimate achievement.  You dont fail if you dont win.  You fail to play finals.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #18 –
Quote from: Adelaideblue – on
According to local sources, Ken Hinkley was sounded out by CFC for a player development role.   Apparently his ability to encourage and develop young players has been a strength during time as Port coach.

The jungle drums are saying that he was sounded out for our head of footy 🤔

I suspect that he’d be better, and happier, in a development role.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #19 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.

Has an existing relationship with Voss.
Has more experience than you will likely find.
Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently.
Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.

Whats not to like?

The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.

94% of coaches fail every year.

Some of those coaches who fail continually don't have the list to make it to finals, nevermind a prelim or a GF.

Before the season we made the prelim, not many were thinking it was possible.
NOBODY was thinking it was possible when we were 7 goals down to GC in R12 or whatever it was when we were bottom 4.

We've tried 'successful coaches' in Malthouse and Pagan. That guarantees you nothing.
You want to try them all?

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #20 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: shawny – on


The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.

94% of coaches fail every year.

Some of those coaches who fail continually don't have the list to make it to finals, nevermind a prelim or a GF.

Before the season we made the prelim, not many were thinking it was possible.
NOBODY was thinking it was possible when we were 7 goals down to GC in R12 or whatever it was when we were bottom 4.

We've tried 'successful coaches' in Malthouse and Pagan. That guarantees you nothing.
You want to try them all?

My point is if you are going to give Voss a right hand man invest in one that has tasted the ultimate success.  It can still fail as it did with Pagan and Malthouse but i cant justify going with a guy that has been in the system for 15 years and yet to get past a PF.

If looking at experienced coaches prefer Longmire, Simpson even Goodwin types or go with a new guy that may be the next  McCrae or Clarkson.  

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #21 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


94% of coaches fail every year.

Some of those coaches who fail continually don't have the list to make it to finals, nevermind a prelim or a GF.

Before the season we made the prelim, not many were thinking it was possible.
NOBODY was thinking it was possible when we were 7 goals down to GC in R12 or whatever it was when we were bottom 4.

We've tried 'successful coaches' in Malthouse and Pagan. That guarantees you nothing.
You want to try them all?

My point is if you are going to give Voss a right hand man invest in one that has tasted the ultimate success.  It can still fail as it did with Pagan and Malthouse but i cant justify going with a guy that has been in the system for 15 years and yet to get past a PF.

If looking at experienced coaches prefer Longmire, Simpson even Goodwin types or go with a new guy that may be the next  McCrae or Clarkson.

Nobody knows what role, if any, he is doing yet.
Every premiership coach ever had a time where he wasn't a premiership coach. Given that, what's better a coach with 15 years experience or one with less?

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #22 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.

Has an existing relationship with Voss.
Has more experience than you will likely find.
Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently.
Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.

Whats not to like?

The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted. 

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Personally, never seen PF's as a failure. Like saying an Olympic bronze medal is a failure. Flags are damn hard to win. If you're often at the business end regularly, then you can coach.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #23 –
Not much you can say really, some people just take simplistic views… win/loss or flag/no flag you’re either going to be in one camp or another.
Just going round in circles at the moment.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #24 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Not much you can say really, some people just take simplistic views… win/loss or flag/no flag you’re either going to be in one camp or another.
Just going round in circles at the moment.

As Crassus Lods would do, there's a lot of pertinant points to be made around that and a lengthy explaination around each one. Awaiting Lods....

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #25 –
If we are praising and applauding semi and prelim final appearances we are thinking and acting like a bottom team....thats what StKilda supporters would do. No one who has experienced the glory years at Carlton is buying close enough is good enough, the only coaches or administrators that are remembered fondly are the ones who win premierships.
30 Years without a premiership is the reference point for the Carlton football club, we have gone from being a powerhouse to shizen haus and thats the bottom line.
Premierships are hard to win but winning is a habit and we need winners in every area of the club on and off the field, not wannabes who may have tried to climb the mountain but failed to make it to the top.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #26 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
30 Years without a premiership is the reference point for the Carlton football club, we have gone from being a powerhouse to shizen haus and thats the bottom line.
20 of those years is thanks to Vlad, these days even he has publicly admitted he went far too hard!

Not because he feels for Carlton, but because it cost the AFL millions and millions of lost dollars over the last two decades.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #27 –
Ken Hinkley is a 2x winner of the AFLCA Coach of The Year Award.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #28 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Ken Hinkley is a 2x winner of the AFLCA Coach of The Year Award.

If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men.
The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #29 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
If someone follows your line of thinking Paul, that makes him a well respected coach and leader of men.
The guys on the other side will just claim that he went to the right parties and is a nice bloke...

That's alright. Many times I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, although I have no doubt my interlocutors feel much the same.