Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #240 – December 23, 2025, 11:23:19 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on December 23, 2025, 07:53:26 pm

Quote from: PaulP – on December 23, 2025, 05:45:37 pm

I would never in a million years blame Howard or Tony Rundle for Port Arthur. Seems like a flimsy logic and a poor argument.

It is embarrassing that so-called leaders apportion blame to the incumbent PM.

Holy mackerel this is a problem that goes back decades and centuries, FFS. Need I say that the shallowness and opportunism of some is breathtaking... and vulgar. (and Baggers steps down from his soapbox).

Wny Baggers? Is it not the Government's and its Authorities/Agencies job to keep Australians safe? As you say, this isn't a new problem that came about last week and many jewish members of the public have been saying this would happen and it has (on the current PM's watch). If I was being sceptical, I'd suggest that the law enforcement and intelligence agencies appear to pick and choose went to use intel to foil crimes.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #241 – Today at 07:47:01 am

I'll come around and throw rocks at your house, which I won't talk about, but I'll keep telling people that you are prone to attack me! You'll prove me right, nothing is more certain.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #242 – Today at 07:56:21 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 23, 2025, 11:23:19 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on December 23, 2025, 07:53:26 pm

It is embarrassing that so-called leaders apportion blame to the incumbent PM.

Holy mackerel this is a problem that goes back decades and centuries, FFS. Need I say that the shallowness and opportunism of some is breathtaking... and vulgar. (and Baggers steps down from his soapbox).
Wny Baggers? Is it not the Government's and its Authorities/Agencies job to keep Australians safe? As you say, this isn't a new problem that came about last week and many jewish members of the public have been saying this would happen and it has (on the current PM's watch). If I was being sceptical, I'd suggest that the law enforcement and intelligence agencies appear to pick and choose went to use intel to foil crimes.

I was referring to the political point scoring, GTC.

On the subject of leadership and dealing with terrorism, I reckon you're right... Aussies, regardless of religion, political persuasion, gender or hair colour! have a right to feel safe in their own country (as do Ukrainians, Jews and Palestinians!!). This Bondi horror happened on Albo's watch so he's copping in the neck but this is a failure of leadership over many years - addressing antisemitism and facing the reality that terrorists reside here and are planning horrors right now.

You can bet that ASIO and the AFP, in particular, will up their games now.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #243 – Today at 09:44:21 am

From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #244 – Today at 09:50:12 am

Quote from: Baggers – on Today at 07:56:21 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 23, 2025, 11:23:19 pm
Wny Baggers? Is it not the Government's and its Authorities/Agencies job to keep Australians safe? As you say, this isn't a new problem that came about last week and many jewish members of the public have been saying this would happen and it has (on the current PM's watch). If I was being sceptical, I'd suggest that the law enforcement and intelligence agencies appear to pick and choose went to use intel to foil crimes.

I was referring to the political point scoring, GTC.

On the subject of leadership and dealing with terrorism, I reckon you're right... Aussies, regardless of religion, political persuasion, gender or hair colour! have a right to feel safe in their own country (as do Ukrainians, Jews and Palestinians!!). This Bondi horror happened on Albo's watch so he's copping in the neck but this is a failure of leadership over many years - addressing antisemitism and facing the reality that terrorists reside here and are planning horrors right now.

You can bet that ASIO and the AFP, in particular, will up their games now.

Spot on Baggers, my point exactly. Why now though? I feel like the antisemitism issue has been given a low priority. I can only speak for my local government, but they have actually promoted and fostered antisemitism which has been disgraceful. City of Darebin is in the news again in recent days, shameful.