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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #675 –
The AFP commissioner said that they are charging close to one person every week with threatening a Commonwealth politician.  I suspect that many are keyboard warriors with no means or intention of actually carrying out their threat, but that's not the point.  Politicians of all persuasions should be be able to represent their constituents without having to worry about their safety.

Any number of factors may be motivating those making threats but I can't help but think that the language politicians use about each other, and the language that public figures use about politicians, plays a significant role.  For example, Lib MP Angie Bell recently said that Anne Aly and Anthony Albanese "should be shamed and stoned in the square.” Anne Aly subsequently revealed that she has had 19 death threats this week.  Then there's Alan Jones advocating for Julia Gillard and Bob Brown to be placed in a "chaff bag" and dumped "as far out to sea as they can".  All sides of politics are guilty of inappropriate language and threatening, demeaning language against female politicians is being used all around the world.

It's time that our politicians took a stand and eliminated violent, threatening and demeaning language from political discourse.



"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #676 –
The issue lies not with the everyday run-of-the mill citizen who are able to make the distinction between the radical nonsense and ridiculous suggestions
The problem comes when the extreme messages get taken up by those suffering from a mental issue or extremist views and are then acted upon.
Sometimes it only takes a sideways glance or comment to trigger that behaviour.

The ears pricked up when it was revealed that 'anti-terror' personnel were involved in the investigation of the Haines incident.
Terrorism?

It turns out that one explanation may be that at some point a 'once fan', most likely suffering from mental health isssues, has been put off by a comment, perhaps even in a private conversation or message, and that has triggered him to the extent that he carried out the offence.

The alleged offender's parent's have suggested a long term friendship with Helen Haines. At the very least they were acquainted...and that would probably have extended to their son. They reportedly appeared have at one time shared similar views on a number of social and environmental issues

The extent of any realtionship, motives and the mental health of the offender will be for the courts to decide...but  it does remain that the events are almost always the result of inflammatory messaging that sets off the 'not right-minded' to act aggressively.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #677 –
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Latest update on Helen Haines is pretty bad : she's lost one leg and surgeons are fighting to save the other leg. She remains in a critical condition.
She has indeed lost her second leg, just reported on the news. Awful, just awful.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #678 –
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Quote from: PaulP – on
Latest update on Helen Haines is pretty bad : she's lost one leg and surgeons are fighting to save the other leg. She remains in a critical condition.
She has indeed lost her second leg, just reported on the news. Awful, just awful.

Absolutely terrible ... and she's still in a critical condition  :(
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #679 –
Quote from: DJC – on
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She has indeed lost her second leg, just reported on the news. Awful, just awful.

Absolutely terrible ... and she's still in a critical condition  :(
They reported that she was doing better after the second limb was removed.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #680 –
Quote from: DJC – on
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Its beyond awful and never thought our once safe country would ever see crimes like this. 

Hopefully we can turn it around.

This is just the latest blow in the war against women that has been a part of our culture since the arrival of the first fleet.  If you don’t understand that, you must have your head in the sand 🙁

Not sure on what basis you determine that view but according to the accused x profile, its very clear what his views were and what made this one tick.  I see his representation is trying their luck with the MH card.

Despicable action who deserves to spend the rest of his life behind bars yet if the latest sentence of one of the perpetrators for Ethan Hoac is any guide he will be out in no time. 

Ethan was randomly attacked by a western suburbs gang first hitting him with a car and then he was stabbed 30 times to death. One of the convicted killers was just sentenced to 17 years. They took potentially 70 years of life and received 17 for the act.
 
The state of our judicial system like several other things in our state is broken and why the majority have had enough of the talk without actions.   

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #681 –
Ben Carroll election promise to slash hospital waiting times injecting 1.2B in funding.

Labour has had 12 years to fix this so attempting to buy votes using it as an election promise won't work this time.

Those billions lost to corruption with the unions would be especially handy to fix essential services. 

6 weeks to go before this corrupt bunch are out the door.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #682 –
Quote from: shawny – on
6 weeks to go before this corrupt bunch are out the door.

....and a different corrupt bunch enter.

....possibly with less idea on how to run the joint.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #683 –
Quote from: shawny – on
6 weeks to go before this corrupt bunch are out the door.
Dont hold your breath Shawny. Voters in this state seem to be gluttons for punishment.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #684 –
I've no skin in the game in terms of the upcoming election, living interstate.
I think it's going to be a fascinating watch though.

Just from afar it seems more a case of one side looking like losing-tired and worn out, past their use by date... rather than an enthusiasm for a new group to take over.
I'm curious to see the extent of the One Nation vote and how that translates to any great extent into seats.
It could be a future defining election for them.
They need to keep their current momentum because once it starts to decline, that will be the end of the road for them.

Popcorn is ready. ;)

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #685 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I've no skin in the game in terms of the upcoming election, living interstate.
I think it's going to be a fascinating watch though.

Just from afar it seems more a case of one side looking like losing-tired and worn out, past their use by date... rather than an enthusiasm for a new group to take over.
I'm curious to see the extent of the One Nation vote and how that translates to any great extent into seats.
It could be a future defining election for them.
They need to keep their current momentum because once it starts to decline, that will be the end of the road for them.

Popcorn is ready. ;)

Victoria is losing their minds and the rational outcome (whatever the collective perceive that to be) is far from guaranteed.

I'm not even sure what date the election is for, but so far i've only seem one group campaigning for votes in person, albeit on the side of the road, and that was one-nation. Complete with the professional oversized mugshots within the orange border, just like you see on election day.

I've never seen that before, from one nation, but they are getting in early and going hard.

Despite all of this, my gut feel is that one nation is a lot bigger in the northern states.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #686 –
Hanson's natural habitat is the gutter, and she is IMO, clearly trying to drag both parties down to her level, where she has a clear advantage. Disguising her crude attacks on Lambie, Wong and others as poor taste humour, freedom of speech etc is laughable.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #687 –
The only poll that has proved to be almost as reliable as the one on election day is Roy Morgan Research.  They are saying that preferences will be vital with a significant number of electors declaring that they will not preference PHON under any circumstances.  That could mean L-NP, ALP, Greens or independent candidates winning on preferences.

Victoria has now banned the upper house group voting tickets so there won't be any miraculous fringe party victories.  Morgan research has the Legislative Council going:

L-NP 12
ALP  10
Greens  8
PHON  6
Undecided  4

There's still a way to go but, at this stage, a minority government with a hostile upper house could be likely.

Plenty of campaigning happening down here on the Bellarine but no sign of PHON so far.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #688 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Despite all of this, my gut feel is that one nation is a lot bigger in the northern states.

I suspect you wouldn't see a lot of difference in One Nation 'electoral' support between Victoria, and a place like Queensland.
It'd be pretty much the same around that low 20% mark.

That doesn't mean Northerners aren't more conservative/right leaning in their political views.
But those views are probably addressed by more 'right leaning' LNP and Independent candidates in the North.

Why switch to ON when you already have some who basically shares your political and social views.

The 'electoral' problem One Nation faces is that their support is patchy.
It will be particularly strong in some areas....up over 30% perhaps.
But in  others they will struggle around 10-15%
That's why the main focus in Victoria probably won't be the overall level of support for ON, but how it translates into actual seats in the parliament.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #689 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Hanson's natural habitat is the gutter, and she is IMO, clearly trying to drag both parties down to her level, where she has a clear advantage. Disguising her crude attacks on Lambie, Wong and others as poor taste humour, freedom of speech etc is laughable.

Perhaps an important question is how do people of low intellect, poor morality, zero emotional intelligence and seemingly deeply mired in anger/rage, such as PH (and Trump), get into these positions of influence in  the first place?

Not only do they negatively influence other discontented lost souls wherever they go, they grow anger, discontent, fear and ethical degradation. All they achieve is creating, merging and growing a movement of social decay... cheered on by emboldened malcontents.
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