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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

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Why is it there is 350 plus pages on this site relating to a leader of a country on the other side of the world that most say is unfit to serve and any alternative is an improvement over him yet here in our own backyard when faced with an equally corrupt government and one that in this case directly affects their own families have a different theory on replacing a government.

The old 'they are all the same or pick your poison' is used to try and cast doubts on the new incoming party instead of calling the current inept corrupt party for what they are and saying they deserve to be replaced.

It wouldn't be they are bias - Nah surely not   :-[

The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House.  A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.

Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.

And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #736 –
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Quote from: shawny – on
Why is it there is 350 plus pages on this site relating to a leader of a country on the other side of the world that most say is unfit to serve and any alternative is an improvement over him yet here in our own backyard when faced with an equally corrupt government and one that in this case directly affects their own families have a different theory on replacing a government.

The old 'they are all the same or pick your poison' is used to try and cast doubts on the new incoming party instead of calling the current inept corrupt party for what they are and saying they deserve to be replaced.

It wouldn't be they are bias - Nah surely not   :-[

The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House.  A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.

Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.

And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.

So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #737 –
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And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.

Yes, i think that's right. Whataboutism and trying to establish equivalence can be reasonable strategies in formulating an argument, but on the fairly strict proviso that there is legitimate proportionality between the things being compared. Otherwise you end having to embellish the crimes of one party and diminish the crimes of the other, in order to bring them closer together. This only serves to weaken the argument IMO. I can't think of any Australian government, at any level, that sends out masked men to deport people to wastelands they've never seen, who sends out combat troops to occupy major cities and shoot peacefully protesting citizens, who coerces media, universities and other countries to suit its will, who orders its military to blow innocent fishermen to smithereens in the middle of the ocean based on the flimsiest of pretexts, starts wars of aggression, which the International Military Court described in 1946 as the supreme international crime............ that's just the tip of the tip of the iceberg. 

You can very easily despise Dictator Dan and Labor without so much as even thinking about Trump, if that's your kink.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #738 –
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The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House.  A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.

Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.

And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.

So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?

The fact of the matter is that you have an idiosyncratic view of Australian politics but assume that many people agree with that view. 

Our system of government has checks and balances, and a responsive electorate, that mean that we will never have to put up with the incompetence and megalomania that's made the USA a global laughing stock ... but a very dangerous laughing stock.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #739 –
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So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?

The fact of the matter is that you have an idiosyncratic view of Australian politics but assume that many people agree with that view. 

Our system of government has checks and balances, and a responsive electorate, that mean that we will never have to put up with the incompetence and megalomania that's made the USA a global laughing stock ... but a very dangerous laughing stock.

If anyone is a laughing stock with that statement....

You are that rusted on that you want us to believe our system prevents corrupt politicians simply as your party is the one with all the allegations of corruption! Funny that.

Yet despite having this rock solid system here we are at the start of a Royal commission costing tax payers money we don't have, representing Mr Andrews and Mrs Allan for all the corruption allegations ...

Give it up mate and just have the balls to admit your views are skewed like most of us are.


Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

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Go woke, go broke.

Vote One Nation.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #741 –
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Give it up mate and just have the balls to admit your views are skewed like most of us are.
@shawny your problem is you debate based on fantasy, sovereign citizen social media libertarian rubbish.

Whether any of us agree with or disagree with @DJC is largely irrelevant, because he is at least speaking in facts about the Westminster and other analgous politcal systems, genuine systems.

You gather opponents because of the rubbish views you post, not because of your genuine poltical views. If you want to be taken serious and listened to, you can't make sh1t up about the system of checks and balances. At least base your arguments about Australian politics on the mechanism and systems that our democracy works on!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #742 –
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The fact of the matter is that you have an idiosyncratic view of Australian politics but assume that many people agree with that view. 

Our system of government has checks and balances, and a responsive electorate, that mean that we will never have to put up with the incompetence and megalomania that's made the USA a global laughing stock ... but a very dangerous laughing stock.

If anyone is a laughing stock with that statement....

You are that rusted on that you want us to believe our system prevents corrupt politicians simply as your party is the one with all the allegations of corruption! Funny that.

Yet despite having this rock solid system here we are at the start of a Royal commission costing tax payers money we don't have, representing Mr Andrews and Mrs Allan for all the corruption allegations ...

Give it up mate and just have the balls to admit your views are skewed like most of us are.

Which party is my party Shawny?

For the record, I have never been a member of any political party and have voted for Labor, Liberal, Australian Democrats, and independent candidates.  Vote Compass says I’m right of centre.

I was talking to an RSL mate at our Remembrance Day commemoration today and he just happens to be our local One Nation candidate.  He’s pretty switched on and I think that he would be a decent local member.  I can’t vote for him because his party is based on racism and bigotry, has no policies, and is owned by Gina Rinehart. 

Another mate is running as an independent candidate and she is far and away the most intelligent and well-educated in the field.  She’d be a great MP but, realistically, has no chance.  I could vote for her, knowing that my vote would go to my second preference.

I didn’t speak to the sitting State MP today - the Commonwealth MP told me that I looked “sharp”! - but she is very popular and will probably retain the seat. 

The Liberal candidate seems to have accepted that outcome and is doing an excellent impression of the invisible man.  The Greens candidate just makes up the numbers.

The thing is that I have worked with every Victorian State Government from Henry Bolte to Denis Napthine, and have briefed and advised Labor, Liberal and Nationals Ministers in the Bracks/Brumby and Baillieu/Napthine governments.  Some were risk averse, some were “courageous” as Sir Humphrey Appleby would say, some acted on advice, others wanted the advice to fit their agenda, all were driven and believed in what they were doing, and there was only ever one hint of corruption; a planning minister ignored departmental advice and approved a development that was later overturned on appeal.  This was all in the days before IBAC but the Auditor-General and Ombudsman still kept a very tight rein.

I’m sure that nobody really gives a fat rat’s clacker about your bizarre political beliefs, or mine for that matter, but don’t presume that you know anything about my politics, or how the State Government is run.  Right wing conspiracy theories aren’t real, and neither are the left wing equivalents.


"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball