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Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #90 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I use stats to back my argumwnt, not form my argument.

Get the ball in the hands of both and Jagga and Lord and out your life on the line of them finding a teammate.
99% will pick jagga.
The 1% who pick lord will not know who Jagga is or be related to Lord.  ;)

Im not on a witch hunt. Elijah was by far the worst user of the ball, lord may have been next

Nah
You've got a set on him for some reason. ;)  :D
We've had our differences over the summer.
I mentioned at one stage I thought Lord and Wilson would be players that improved this year.
You seem to have taken an opposite view for both of them..
Have a look at our B& F voting for this game.
Lord features.
You'll give these guys a a serve when they do do something poorly and ignore them when they do something well.
Prove me wrong. ;)

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #91 –
 I like Lord because he plays both ways and will try negate his opponent as well as win his own ball. If you are free wheeling mid who doesn't bother what your opponent is doing then you need to be 30 plus in possessions and have high numbers  in scoring involvements, goal assists and low turn overs.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #92 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
I use stats to back my argumwnt, not form my argument.

Get the ball in the hands of both and Jagga and Lord and out your life on the line of them finding a teammate.
99% will pick jagga.
The 1% who pick lord will not know who Jagga is or be related to Lord.  ;)

Im not on a witch hunt. Elijah was by far the worst user of the ball, lord may have been next

Nah
You've got a set on him for some reason. ;)  :D
We've had our differences over the summer.
I mentioned at one stage I thought Lord and Wilson would be players that improved this year.
You seem to have taken an opposite view for both of them..
Have a look at our B& F voting for this game.
Lord features.
You'll give these guys a a serve when they do do something poorly and ignore them when they do something well.
Prove me wrong. ;)

Answer me this. Has he improved in his last 2 seasons?

He's still the tough nut.
He's still going to give you his all.
His minutes has improved due to personnel and circumstances, but has he?

You say i have something against him (and Wilson).
I say you have navy blue glasses on when viewing them.

I had similar conversations about Jaxon Binns last year and was told the same thing.
Remind me how he is going this year?  :-[

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #93 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


Nah
You've got a set on him for some reason. ;)  :D
We've had our differences over the summer.
I mentioned at one stage I thought Lord and Wilson would be players that improved this year.
You seem to have taken an opposite view for both of them..
Have a look at our B& F voting for this game.
Lord features.
You'll give these guys a a serve when they do do something poorly and ignore them when they do something well.
Prove me wrong. ;)

Answer me this. Has he improved in his last 2 seasons?

He's still the tough nut.
He's still going to give you his all.
His minutes has improved due to personnel and circumstances, but has he?

You say i have something against him (and Wilson).
I say you have navy blue glasses on when viewing them.

I had similar conversations about Jaxon Binns last year and was told the same thing.
Remind me how he is going this year?  :-[

The kids are 20 kruds.
You would have had Kade Simpson and Bruce Doull off to the knackery at similar stages of their careers.
To answer  your question...yep, both are improving.
I'd have Wilson before Saad, and Lord before Acres and Cerra too. They are too unreliable in terms of lasting a game at the moment.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #94 –
i read a few quotes from Chad Warner saying that Sydney went in with a specific plan of exploiting "our lack of outside run." I'd be curious to know why it took nearly 2.5 quarters to put this plan into effect.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #95 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
i read a few quotes from Chad Warner saying that Sydney went in with a specific plan of exploiting "our lack of outside run." I'd be curious to know why it took nearly 2.5 quarters to put this plan into effect.

There's a theory going around that they paced themselves in the first half and held a bit in reserve  absorbing the best we could throw at them. It was curious how they held Papley back. The commentators seem to know the minute he would be injected into the game.
We tired noticeably in  the third term and they ran over us. It seemed to align pretty much with Docherty's comments about how we play.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #96 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Answer me this. Has he improved in his last 2 seasons?

He's still the tough nut.
He's still going to give you his all.
His minutes has improved due to personnel and circumstances, but has he?

You say i have something against him (and Wilson).
I say you have navy blue glasses on when viewing them.

I had similar conversations about Jaxon Binns last year and was told the same thing.
Remind me how he is going this year?  :-[

The kids are 20 kruds.
You would have had Kade Simpson and Bruce Doull off to the knackery at similar stages of their careers.
To answer  your question...yep, both are improving.
I'd have Wilson before Saad, and Lord before Acres and Cerra too. They are too unreliable in terms of lasting a game at the moment.

There is the navy blue glasses i speak of.

Cerra....
2020, 2021, 2022 - best 22 under 22
2020-2023, 2025 - top 10 B+F (2024 - 4-5 hamstrings)
2020, 2025 - top 3 in B+F

FYI, in 2020, Cerra was 20.

Lord....
*crickets*

Lord was 20 in 2025.


Again, i've got nothing against him, not everyone will be superstars. I just think he needs to lift his game.....and zero tackles and poor disposal will not endear him to the MC.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #97 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There's a theory going around that they paced themselves in the first half and held a bit in reserve  absorbing the best we could throw at them. It was curious how they held Papley back. The commentators seem to know the minute he would be injected into the game.
We tired noticeably in  the third term and they ran over us. It seemed to align pretty much with Docherty's comments about how we play.

Seems like a very cocky and very risky strategy, but anyway, good luck to 'em.......

Still not sure if the problem is pace, fitness or planning/structure. The first implicates recruiting, the second fitness/development staff, and the third coaching.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #98 –
Quote from: kruddler – on


There is the navy blue glasses i speak of.

Cerra....
2020, 2021, 2022 - best 22 under 22
2020-2023, 2025 - top 10 B+F (2024 - 4-5 hamstrings)
2020, 2025 - top 3 in B+F

FYI, in 2020, Cerra was 20.

Lord....
*crickets*

Lord was 20 in 2025.


Again, i've got nothing against him, not everyone will be superstars. I just think he needs to lift his game.....and zero tackles and poor disposal will not endear him to the MC.

The problem is you seem to want them all to be superstars.
It ain't happening.

If Lord was given  a job to do on a Sydney player and didn't do it, he may be in strife, otherwise he'll back up again next week.

FYI he had career high disposals and inside 50s on Thursday night...so yep..he's on the improve.

Lord ahead of Cerra???
Not in terms of ability but certainly in terms of reliability...which is what I stated.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #99 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
i read a few quotes from Chad Warner saying that Sydney went in with a specific plan of exploiting "our lack of outside run." I'd be curious to know why it took nearly 2.5 quarters to put this plan into effect.

There's a theory going around that they paced themselves in the first half and held a bit in reserve  absorbing the best we could throw at them. It was curious how they held Papley back. The commentators seem to know the minute he would be injected into the game.
We tired noticeably in  the third term and they ran over us. It seemed to align pretty much with Docherty's comments about how we play.
It was the number of interchanges the Swans wanted to make...they only made 23 in the first half and then made 52 after half time
to wear us down with fresh players. It was excellent coaching so Im not convinced Cox had anything to do with it, maybe Goodwin who was praised for his rotation management in 2021 when they won the premiership.
Unfortunately we dont have the innovation or nous in the coaches box imo to be over inventive which you need to be at times to give you an edge..

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #100 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


There is the navy blue glasses i speak of.

Cerra....
2020, 2021, 2022 - best 22 under 22
2020-2023, 2025 - top 10 B+F (2024 - 4-5 hamstrings)
2020, 2025 - top 3 in B+F

FYI, in 2020, Cerra was 20.

Lord....
*crickets*

Lord was 20 in 2025.


Again, i've got nothing against him, not everyone will be superstars. I just think he needs to lift his game.....and zero tackles and poor disposal will not endear him to the MC.

The problem is you seem to want them all to be superstars.
It ain't happening.

If Lord was given  a job to do on a Sydney player and didn't do it, he may be in strife, otherwise he'll back up again next week.

FYI he had career high disposals and inside 50s on Thursday night...so yep..he's on the improve.

Sure, career highs in those areas, because Cerra wasn't there and he has increased minutes.
I'm not fussed about that, i'm watching what he is doing with it.

You put his numbers against Jagga.....watch the difference with ball in hand between those 2 and you'll see why those numbers are not the same like you make them out to be.

For the 423rd time, i'm not expecting him to be a superstar or be as good as any other individual. Just pointing out that he would not be as safe as you make out (long term).

Years gone by Adam Bentick was getting 30+ touches in a game. Averages 5 tackles in his career, up to 6 in his last couple years.
Ratten handed him the #7 as a bright young talent. But.....he was largely average. Not great by foot. Deemed not good enough. 2 years after he got the #7 handed to him, he was delisted.
I don't see anything in Lord that Bentick didn't have.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #101 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Not in terms of ability but certainly in terms of reliability...which is what I stated.
Cerra had 1 bad year with injury. Otherwise he was reliably in the top 10 B+F......which Lord has never reached.

What reliability are you referring to exactly?

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #102 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


There is the navy blue glasses i speak of.

Cerra....
2020, 2021, 2022 - best 22 under 22
2020-2023, 2025 - top 10 B+F (2024 - 4-5 hamstrings)
2020, 2025 - top 3 in B+F

FYI, in 2020, Cerra was 20.

Lord....
*crickets*

Lord was 20 in 2025.


Again, i've got nothing against him, not everyone will be superstars. I just think he needs to lift his game.....and zero tackles and poor disposal will not endear him to the MC.

The problem is you seem to want them all to be superstars.
It ain't happening.

If Lord was given  a job to do on a Sydney player and didn't do it, he may be in strife, otherwise he'll back up again next week.

FYI he had career high disposals and inside 50s on Thursday night...so yep..he's on the improve.

Its not what Lord was doing imo its what his opponents were doing and that applies to Cripps, Hewett, Walsh and Smith as a collective. The collective got fried after halftime and the reality is the Swans have their superstars in the middle of the ground and you have to have the quality to match them and we dont because our mids cant defend.
You look at Gold Coast and we will have similar problems with Anderson, Rowell, Miller, and now Petracca, its going to be more of the same as what we faced with the Swans, we need more two way players in the middle, those first three GC players rack up the possies but also can defend and rack up the tackle numbers and are quality users/finishers.
The Cripps, Hewett, Walsh one way contested only setup isnt going to deliver consistent results and will fail vs quality two way players. Lord is a two way player but isnt at the same level as those I have discussed but he is a good B grade player who does his job but he isnt there to compete vs Heeney, Warner, Anderson, Rowell etc thats Cripps, Hewett, Walsh and then Smith/Walker down the track...

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #103 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
Not a fan of what Dan replayed nor what Doc said.
Stinks of laying into the coach which is unhelpful at this stage. Makes Doc seem disgruntled imo and yea Dan is good mates with those that left last year.

Not cool.
I'm happy to hear it. We complain when we get cliche crap so when we hear something straight up like this we can't complain. Don't worry about shooting the messenger, what about the message. Nothing we didn't know but interesting hearing it from someone inside. Guessing he thought that wasn't going to go to air so expressed his view as you do between two mates.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #104 –
So Lord is the new whipping for no good reason?

In reality Lord is not really opposed to the likes of Heeney or Warner, and to suggest he's got to be in the same league to avoid a verbal barrage is a tad unrealistic.

Our problem remains ball use, has been for several seasons. It's easy to focus on the B-Graders, but our very best are never going to keep up when they turn it over and it's no use our best pointing fingers when they give off hospital passes and / or miss targets by hand and foot.

We basically run ourselves into the ground in the first half trying to fix up our own errors, our skills are deplorable, and the opposition know if they force us into a long enough chain of disposal we'll fork it up. Because of our team's average lack of pace, we actually have to be better skilled than the opposition not just on a par, in reality we are sub-par.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"