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Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #30
It's our "experienced" player who are the problem IMO, not the kids
Dont disagree but I cant see Voss dumping his older players and going youth in a big way...thats rebuilding and not what he was hired to do.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #31
What can we do for next week?

[1] Plan to take Nankervis out of the picture. He isn't a jumper, so he won't be able to jump all over Pitto and Reidy, but he was the difference last year. We squash him and we go forwards.

[2] Saad goes out with injury. Hopefully, Cowan is fit enough to replace him. Otherwise, Billy Wilson, who has the pace and run we lacked.
As for Cowan, he might be able to do a negating job on one of Richmond's mids. If so, we will be improved by it.

[3] Zac Williams: he had 5 clearances in the first quarter last night, but lacked impact thereafter. I wouldn't have him in defence: small forward with turns in the middle.

[4] Fog goes out. Have Ainsworth, Flynn Young or Byrne do his job. All have more pace and are much faster. All can kick a goal from more than 10 m out, something that Fog doesn't do.

[5] Move McGovern forward or out. As a defender, he is too loose. He has brain fades. Moir to the bench or the VFL.

[6] L. Young: do we need him as a defender against Richmond's forwards? Derkson deserves a chance. It will be interesting to see what forwards Richmond present us with.

Yep. We don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater after one game.

I hope we stick to the very same game plan, only with a few inclusions. Specifically, Haynes for McGovern, Derken for Young (the kid has a footy IQ, Young hasn't), Boyd for the injured Saad and Byrne for Fogary... and use Byrne like the Fluffy Ducks used Papley and Rottingwood used Pendlebury... sparing impact although the reasons for Papley and Pendles having limited exposure for obvious reasons but the principle is the same... bring on an impact player, sparingly.

The two ruck thing also needs a look. Plus blokes like Cowan, Carroll and Flynn Young should also be in contention...
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #32
What can we do for next week?

[1] Plan to take Nankervis out of the picture. He isn't a jumper, so he won't be able to jump all over Pitto and Reidy, but he was the difference last year. We squash him and we go forwards.

[2] Saad goes out with injury. Hopefully, Cowan is fit enough to replace him. Otherwise, Billy Wilson, who has the pace and run we lacked.
As for Cowan, he might be able to do a negating job on one of Richmond's mids. If so, we will be improved by it.

[3] Zac Williams: he had 5 clearances in the first quarter last night, but lacked impact thereafter. I wouldn't have him in defence: small forward with turns in the middle.

[4] Fog goes out. Have Ainsworth, Flynn Young or Byrne do his job. All have more pace and are much faster. All can kick a goal from more than 10 m out, something that Fog doesn't do.

[5] Move McGovern forward or out. As a defender, he is too loose. He has brain fades. Moir to the bench or the VFL.

[6] L. Young: do we need him as a defender against Richmond's forwards? Derkson deserves a chance. It will be interesting to see what forwards Richmond present us with.

Yep. We don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater after one game.

I hope we stick to the very same game plan, only with a few inclusions. Specifically, Haynes for McGovern, Derken for Young (the kid has a footy IQ, Young hasn't), Boyd for the injured Saad and Byrne for Fogary... and use Byrne like the Fluffy Ducks used Papley and Rottingwood used Pendlebury... sparing impact although the reasons for Papley and Pendles having limited exposure for obvious reasons but the principle is the same... bring on an impact player, sparingly.

The two ruck thing also needs a look. Plus blokes like Cowan, Carroll and Flynn Young should also be in contention...
Papley and Pendlebury have the age fitness/age issue but its also about using up your rotations early and having none left later in the game when you need them. Swans worked it to perfection saving their rotations having 50 odd still in the bank to use in the 2nd half even though the temptation would have been to use them early when they were struggling.
We tired and they kept the pressure up with more rotations/fresher legs which Warner alluded to after the game...

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #33


Yep. We don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater after one game.

I hope we stick to the very same game plan, only with a few inclusions. Specifically, Haynes for McGovern, Derken for Young (the kid has a footy IQ, Young hasn't), Boyd for the injured Saad and Byrne for Fogary... and use Byrne like the Fluffy Ducks used Papley and Rottingwood used Pendlebury... sparing impact although the reasons for Papley and Pendles having limited exposure for obvious reasons but the principle is the same... bring on an impact player, sparingly.

The two ruck thing also needs a look. Plus blokes like Cowan, Carroll and Flynn Young should also be in contention...
Papley and Pendlebury have the age fitness/age issue but its also about using up your rotations early and having none left later in the game when you need them. Swans worked it to perfection saving their rotations having 50 odd still in the bank to use in the 2nd half even though the temptation would have been to use them early when they were struggling.
We tired and they kept the pressure up with more rotations/fresher legs which Warner alluded to after the game...
At the game we noted the spurts they used Warner in early and he came to the fore in the second half.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #34
Do you think Pendlebury would have played if he got stretchered off like weitering did that night? Not a chance.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #35
Do you think Pendlebury would have played if he got stretchered off like weitering did that night? Not a chance.
what you mean like calf injury he sustained heading into the finals last year?

He strained it during the warm up, and instead of declaring it, tried to play through it and lasted 5 mins.

Sometimes you get the Lachie neale grand finalist sometimes you get Charlie curnow.

Ultimately if we were going better no one would care.  But we arent so everyone is pointing at any fault they can which is fair enough.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #36
Apart from a few personnel changes I'd love to see us hunt the Tiggers. On the all too few occasions we went into a game with a hunting approach, we looked very good. 38 tackles against the Fluffy Ducks is p*ss poor.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #37
They beat us last year when they were weaker and we probably had a stronger line up then we do now.

Very much a 50/50 game

Only game I'm confident in this year is WC imo

Need to go hard for 4 quarters to get the win and hopefully the extra week fitness will help us.



 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #38
Do you think Pendlebury would have played if he got stretchered off like weitering did that night? Not a chance.
I thought Weitering was OK against the Swans without being outstanding, but it wasn't a game KPPs were ultra-strong in with most of the critical scoring that really hurt us came from runners.

Of course Amartey and Curnow benefitted from the free running, but they weren't the real dominant drivers of the free scoring.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #39
Carlton by 37 points.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #40
doesn't matter who we play if we DONT change our game plan, style we are always in danger of getting beaten. I think over the last 2 YRS proves this yet nothings changed, i do not understand our coaches and what they achieve over pre season.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #41
Our game style is only a problem when we lose. 

For mine its an emotive argument that needs to be separated because when we are on top, we absolutely are fine game style wise.  We just need to polish up the execution bit. 

Where our game management falls over is flicking the switch.  When momentum deserts you, opposing teams get on top.  To arrest that it goes back to winning the ball, and sucking the life out of your opponents.   We seem to stay in a "we must score mode" rather than game management mode which is what you need to do, when momentum desserts you.  This is also not solely coaching, as the players need to recognise when to ride the wave, and when the wave is breaking on you better which is what the pies do well.

Thing is this happens for reasons too.  When the Swans got on top,  you need to control play and make them chase the ball a little to even it out.  Scoring ldid ead to more scoring which makes it harder to arrest as you need the odd missed shot to help get the ball in your hands unless you win the next clearance.  Without checking the stats, we got smashed at the clearance in that period and they scored heavily without missing which means the only way to arrest it was surrender a clearance and flood back rather than win at the next clearance.  That should have happened after 4 goals added on.  Even so it might be as simple as repeat stoppage for a bit and suck the life out of the game. The Swans got clean ball so that wasn't a thing for us and we needed to flood back. 

Anyway tactically this is all you can really try.  1.  Kill the game.  2.  Starve posession.  3.  Attack.

We default to attack.  Don't flip the switch between go and stop and 12 goals in a quarter is the result.

Statistically our defense held up last year so I cant agree we dont defend well.  So that means we need to do better at game management.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #42
Last year's defence is currently minus about four pieces and it shows
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #43
The back half defense holds up ok but the problem is the defensive skills of our midfield doesnt.....Gulden and Heeney had high tackle numbers the same cant be said for our mids who dont apply much pressure when they dont have 1st use, we have too many one way players in the middle of the ground. Then you look at our forward pressure which was also non existant...Fogarty didnt have one tackle and he is employed solely as a pressure forward and Ainsworth had one tackle...
Its the not the defense, its the rest of the team who pick and choose when to defend  so the opposition mids and running half backs just stroll around unhindered and do what they like leading to the avalanche of forward entries and defenders bewildered by the pressure.
Cripps, Hewett and Walsh in the middle doesnt work as a group when defense is required, you look at Gold Coast and they have a main midfield of Anderson, Rowell and Miller who can win the footy, attack, defend and carry the ball....our group cant do the latter two skills well enough for long enough against quality opposition.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #44
The back half defense holds up ok but the problem is the defensive skills of our midfield doesnt.....Gulden and Heeney had high tackle numbers the same cant be said for our mids who dont apply much pressure when they dont have 1st use, we have too many one way players in the middle of the ground. Then you look at our forward pressure which was also non existant...Fogarty didnt have one tackle and he is employed solely as a pressure forward and Ainsworth had one tackle...
Its the not the defense, its the rest of the team who pick and choose when to defend  so the opposition mids and running half backs just stroll around unhindered and do what they like leading to the avalanche of forward entries and defenders bewildered by the pressure.
Cripps, Hewett and Walsh in the middle doesnt work as a group when defense is required, you look at Gold Coast and they have a main midfield of Anderson, Rowell and Miller who can win the footy, attack, defend and carry the ball....our group cant do the latter two skills well enough for long enough against quality opposition.

The bold is why we got rid of Kennedy. It has some merit. BUT, you gotta get replacements in to compliment that.
Yes, Jagga is one.....and an expensive one given what we gave up for him. Ditto Walker in 2027. But essentially waiting 2-3 years to get replacements is time we can't afford to wait.
In the meantime Charlie/Jack is gone. Weitering/Harry are another year closer to the end without real replacements yet. Cripps is definitely not going to recapture his Brownlow form at his age and they will be like ships passing in the night.

We need some urgency with list management decisions so we have an elite core group all around at the same time to be a genuine flag contender.

Unpopular opinion, but i'd be seeing what deal West Coast can do for Cripps at seasons end. I love the bloke as much as the next guy, but looking at whats best for the club......and maybe that is it.