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Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #45
I think tactically we are making an error.

Last night from late in the 1st and early in the 2nd, the Crows surrendered the front spot in the midfield and basically started the momentum shift by forcing turnovers from whoever we had on the spot. Our natural tendency is to try and pick up the footy, and when we turn it over we try and tackle to create the holding the ball free. It's pointless because the circumstance doesn't suit our list, especially if we can't be clean, and when tackled opponents drop the footy cold on their terms to favour their team, and it often becomes a foot race into any available free space, which more often than not we lose.

I'd be surrendering the front position, and instead of tackling I'd be training to knock the footy free in the tackle on our terms rather than allowing the opponents to drop it on their terms. Don't trap it, but don't let it favour the opposition either, make it a contest that favours the bigger, slower, heavier bodies that expect the ball to be on the ground.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #46
Ive given it a bit of thought, and the same issues we complain about are still there.

Im going to comment on this from a what can our boys control perspective, rather than a what happened perspective.

Our inability to hit a target is very much a problem.  I think we would previously have kicked to a down the line contest, hoping to force it out of bounds, or into a contested situation which would help us relieve pressure down back.  The new out of bounds interpretation hurts us more than others here, because of our composition down back.  Our back 6 is not a running back 6.  there is no rebound, or speed or run being provided from it, so this is why our kicks are often forced down the line.  The only alternative to it we have is to kick to the corridor, but we dont hit targets either.  Carroll provides it of the ones that played last night, but you are not going to get much rebound or run from Haynes, Young, Derkson, Cowan (who does get up more, but has a defensive bone, and is often minding a dangerous forward), Newman gives a little bit of drive, but he isnt a rory laird, or millera type either.  Florent seems to go better on a wing.  Keep him forward of the ball, was a contributer to our early run of form. 

For a team that relies on contest, our ability to compete at times is absolutely abhorrent.  The constant going to ground drives me spare.  Derkson cost us a goal doing it (although in fairness to him, he somehow ended up on Rachelle and then he was in all sorts).

Harry goes to ground far too easily and im not sure why he isnt instructed to either push off and gain separation, or fly into packs.  He has had the biggest fall from his 2021 form.  Im not sure what changed with him, maybe its all the head knocks and he has gone conservative?  Not sure, but he is a big friendly giant, and needs to throw his weight around more. 

Our entries into forward 50 were a real contrast last night.  Adelaide were able to hit targets, and find players out in space, and kick it to advantage.  We tend to kick to dangerous spots, and then contest around those spots instead.  Until we tidy that up, we wont achieve a lot.  In the wet, that tactic will work, as it causes a bit of chaos and contest and thats it.  

We are not a high scoring team, and as soon as Adelaide got to 12 goals, I knew our day was done, because we just dont have it in us to kick 15 goals.  Its not new, we have struggled to kick a big score for a while, and it wasnt that long ago that we posted a 100point score for the first time in years.  This will continue with our current avenues to goal.  Ainsworth and Mcgovern are our most dangerous forwards, the rest are conditional on things going their way. 

The rain absolutely helped us out here.  It nullified the Crows polish, and dragged them down to our level, as well as stopped them chopping off a lot of our forward forays and turn the game into more of a wet weather slog.  Ultimately the lack of nous and smarts in our team, is the part that really kills me, when we just do stupid stuff, like try play on quick, when we are in go slow territory, and then miss the next kick.  We were setup to press again at one point last night, and instead of mark kicking to change the angle, at some point we did stupid handball backwards to Jordan Boyd, and the next kick fell short of his target, which resulted in a against the tide goal to the Crows.  Boyds execution was a problem, but why play on in the corridor with a backwards handball?  What did I say last week about banning a handball in the defensive 1/3 of the ground when we are setup forward of the ball?  You could have torped it 50 metres into our forward line with a rainmaker and been more effective.

A good read and really thoughtful, 3 Leos. And it would be difficult and contrary to disagree with anything you wrote.

One of my favourite words in the English language is... 'and.'

I agree with what you wrote. And...

I saw what we're trying to do. I like it.

Some observations: There was a little more creativity and risk. Yes, Derks gave up a goal when he left his opponent, but he was attempting to help out his mate and take a handball to take the game on.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when we hunt we look much better. We lost the hunt with our early 2nd qtr experiment of Crippa on the bench and Walshy up forward. Exposed a weakness, a gaping hole in our midfield mix.

Yes, the conditions suited us in the 2nd half. Haynsey -- who did better than his VFL form suggested -- admitted it helped him when the game became a slog-fest in the 2nd half rain. Helped a few of our slower lads, also.

We were cruelled by a few blatantly wrong umpiring decisions. Couple of throws from the Croweaters were decisive... for them and against us. And those handballs over the head are throws, throws, which both sides got away with.

The between the arcs, 'slingshot' frees are a debacle. They confuse players and umpires and stopping the game to review the last touch defeats the fkng purpose!

When the heat came in the 2nd half, a more recent cue for us to capitulate - we didn't. The fight and spirit was excellent.

Ainsworth stood up at valuable times: a really good inclusion.

Kemp aint a forward, he just doesn't think like a forward. Midfield? Defence?

I thought H was good and don't get the criticism. He attacked the contest and often did his job, but he must work on taking one grab marks.

What has happened to Boyd? He seems to have lost confidence and is being too careful.

Some other positives: Derks. The Byrner... this kid is rarely beaten in a contest, and has 2nd, 3rd, 4th efforts to burn (sorry). Bounces from contest to contest like a champ. Thank the gods for Newman, Carroll and Pitto.

Concerns: Cerra confuses me. He gets plenty of the aggot but seems to fail to do so with any authority or impact.
HOK. This was a mistake selecting him. His form was reflective of his VFL form... all at sea. Should have been F Young or Billy Wilson.
Florent does so much that is good, plenty... but his disposal lets him down. Work on it, fella.

With valuable returns next week, I reckon we're in with a really good chance. Dean will likely replace Derks but I think Derks should be tried up forward and Kemp given a stint in the Magoos and experimented with as a midfield. Weiters for Young? Be an interesting Wednesday at the selection table.

All-in-all, I think we're (slowly) heading in the right direction.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #47
Cripps is continually getting pinged for high contact, opponents basically burrow their head into him and he's got no hope of avoiding the contact that happens.

I'd coach him and Pitto to stride forward lifting his knees higher in the stoppages, if small opponents want to draw that type of contact make it come at a price, but I don't think Cripps is the type, Pitto might have a crack though!

Some see that as a no win scenario, quid pro quo, but you only have to create it once or twice and the hesitation becomes institutional in every game except the GF.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #48
I thought H was good and don't get the criticism. He attacked the contest and often did his job, but he must work on taking one grab marks.
I don't think there is general criticism or negativity of H, but for someone his size he isn't the physical threatening presence you normally expect, like Cameron or King. You won't find a KPD being walked off concussed from one of H's big knees in the back of the head, but he competes and wins or draws fair contests, we as a team do not take advantage of that.

There is something to be said about becoming a team that is difficult to play against, I'm not sure that we are.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #49
Well if it's good enough for the AFL to sign off burying your knee into Weeter's head in an "marking attempt" it continues to upset me that our big blokes are too nice to dish a bit back.  Coming back into or holding onto the likes of Harry should be at your own risk
Kemp is a passenger ATM and I'd play F Young to add more run and crumb.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #50
Well if it's good enough for the AFL to sign off burying your knee into Weeter's head in an "marking attempt" it continues to upset me that our big blokes are too nice to dish a bit back.  Coming back into or holding onto the likes of Harry should be at your own risk
Kemp is a passenger ATM and I'd play F Young to add more run and crumb.
We need one KPP who is a complete mongrel, which is why I suggested May, just one completely changes the opposition headspace, they hear footsteps instead of freely attacking the footy.

Cameron does it for Geelong, King for the Aints, Andrews for the Lions, Larkey and Zurharr for Norp, Nankervis for Nthmond, etc., etc., nothing too illegal just brutal.

Who is our Mr Inbetween?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #51
Harry was better in the last term but he was close to worst on ground for the first 3 quarters.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #52
Harry was better in the last term but he was close to worst on ground for the first 3 quarters.
Sorry, but he wasn't out marked once that I can recall, and was continually flying against 2 or 3 opponents in non-ideal conditions for KPPs.

In terms of game impact the difference between H and Thilthorpe wasn't that great on the night, but Thilthorpe had below average opponents and mates blocking for him to get a free run at every opportunity. In that respect, Young didn't do such a bad job and most of our blokes got stuck one on one. Furthermore, give H someone like Tex to work besides and the scenario changes dramatically.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #53
Gees I reckon Harry gets tough treatment, fancy being a marking forward on a wet night, fronting the worst ball using side in memory.
For example, last week,  "Mensa" Hayward, under minimal pressure, gets clear at half forward and misses Harry by metres when he has his opponent cold....not once but Twice.  Yes, I know it was last week but clear example of what Harry has to deal with. I think his resilience is underated given the way he continues to front up with the numpties "delivering" the ball to him. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #54
And another bloke who gets away with it on this site is Cerra.  Sure the numbers look ok, but when can anybody ever remember him cutting a side up or being damaging?  150 AFL games...when are we going to see what we paid for?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #55
I think his resilience is underated given the way he continues to front up with the numpties "delivering" the ball to him.
Our running HBFs and BPs miss targets on barely legal kick lengths kicking form the open when the target is 5m in the clear, and we miss 35m targets by 5m on running disposals.

Our opponents kick better than that from inside stoppages.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #56
And another bloke who gets away with it on this site is Cerra.  Sure the numbers look ok, but when can anybody ever remember him cutting a side up or being damaging?  150 AFL games...when are we going to see what we paid for?
Not as bad as Florent who had another 7 turnovers and is the leading turnover merchant in the comp.
His disposal is killing us and we got sold a lemon by the Swans...

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #57
Not as bad as Florent who had another 7 turnovers and is the leading turnover merchant in the comp.
His disposal is killing us and we got sold a lemon by the Swans...
I know he had two bad clangers at critical times, but 7 turnovers isn't a genuine thing, I think you are exposing some bias.

Even if he did he was far from our worst, I'd be more focussed on the spectators than the blokes winning the footy and not using it. For example, Boyd went into full terrier mode, running around the back of the big dogs barking like a goalkeeper snapping at heels from behind, while leaving SF opponents free to snap goals from front and square roving. You know front and square, the basics, the very same thing absent from H's contests at the other end!

If we had Rankine and Rachele do we think they'd be absent from the front and square on H?

For me this started years ago, fans and media turned Charlie into a hero for being Joe the Goose and snapping cheap goals off the back of the pack, now we have an entire list of forwards who all think they can do the same!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #58
Not as bad as Florent who had another 7 turnovers and is the leading turnover merchant in the comp.
His disposal is killing us and we got sold a lemon by the Swans...
I know he had two bad clangers at critical times, but 7 turnovers isn't a genuine thing, I think you are exposing some bias.

Even if he did he was far from our worst, I'd be more focussed on the spectators than the blokes winning the footy and not using it. For example, Boyd went into full terrier mode, running around the back of the big dogs barking like a goalkeeper snapping at heels from behind, while leaving SF opponents free to snap goals from front and square roving. You know front and square, the basics, the very same thing absent from H's contests at the other end!
Leading the turnover count in the comp and calling it bias and nothing to worry about is a bit like saying Erin Patterson had a bad day in the kitchen when she knocked off her inlaws.
Florent was brought in to improve our run and carry off half back not make it worse and we now have him on a long term contract.
This is what happens when you get ok role players from good clubs then expect them to be able to lift the standard at lesser struggling clubs ie Florent and Haywood and they get exposed at their new club.
I never thought much of Dean Cox as a coach but he has played us like a fiddle...

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #59
One of the interesting features of this thread is that there are some very different assessments of individuals.

If Harry had marked everything he got his hands to last night he would have just about set league marking record.
And that's the thing.
Do we praise him for leading up and presenting well, or do we criticise him for not taking possession.