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Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #120 –
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What! That's the ticket, guilt-trip the kid. Nice work.

What I saw was Elijah's situation galvanize the playing group and club (as it should) into universal and overwhelming care, love and support. A positive net effect for all concerned.

When he reads this ill apologise to him, until then I'm standing by it.

1 man down in a team defense will bring the while thing down. It cant happen.

Whether its a legitimate reason, elijah, or whether it's someone who simply CBF, the result is the same.

If he'd done an ACL would you still be as condemning?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #122 –
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2026-brutal-trade-calls-carlton-must-explore-according-to-david-king-including-jacob-weitering-harry-mckay-and-patrick-cripps/news-story/71eabe60daaa4066dffc4f46d837622d

Interesting summary,  and i agree with most of the points he raises...
But many here probably won't,,     all the deniers here who think we're travelling ok and just need some minor tweaks and give MV another 3-4 years...  

Nobody think we're traveling okay, but some of us can see the building blocks and good things that are in place, without the standard supporter call to nuke the joint every four years.

And getting rid of what little leadership we have is a terrible idea. If we do that, we can enjoy the Richmond 2026 brand for the next few years.

King puts the blame on the players, leaders specifically, but says the coach has to go.
Why?

As far as ditching our leaders.....Harry McKay....he is no leader. He might say the right things off the ground, but on it, he is the opposite of a leader. He is someone that drains energy from the team, not gives it. I'd be moving him on and cashing in whatever we can get before he loses all value.

Cripps, whether we trade him this year, or he retires in 2-3 years, what do we lose in the meantime? Not much.
Trade him while we can.

Weitering....i'd keep. Its too hard to find key backs and we have an AA one. I'm not buying the criticism of him. One week it is that he doesn't man up one on one. Another week its because he gets dragged away following an opponent and not doing what he does best - zone. He can't do both at the same time.
We have a decent couple young defenders that can really benefit by having him around in Dean and HOF.
Keep.

The other 2 can go and we'd barely notice.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #123 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
We have players who wont straightline the ball and pull out of marking contests, then we had the five players on the last line of defense who stood and watched while TDK took a mark and none of them contested, they didnt have a man they were just lounging around waiting for the other bloke to contest. Weitering should have been directing traffic as the senior defender but he doesnt care anymore and couldnt be bothered much like when he fumbled at half back but couldnt be bothered chasing back towards goal. Harry Dean would have learnt SFA watching his senior mates perform, we have 13 players with over 100 games and around 4 with over 200 games but you wouldnt know it watching after half time as they looked like directionless farm animals waiting for a Kelpie to herd them...

Yep. Don't change Deano, just temper any frustration a whisker.

Liked that Vossy praised Deano's attitude. Bet Vossy would have liked for a few more of his chargers to demonstrate the endeavour that Deano does. Imagine if H had the same kind of hunger for the contest! Also Cerra! There are others who could learn from Deano. He made a silly mistake... he'll learn from that. Other than that, don't change a damn thing about your attitude, Deano. You're a bloody ripper.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #124 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: PaulP – on


Nobody think we're traveling okay, but some of us can see the building blocks and good things that are in place, without the standard supporter call to nuke the joint every four years.

And getting rid of what little leadership we have is a terrible idea. If we do that, we can enjoy the Richmond 2026 brand for the next few years.

King puts the blame on the players, leaders specifically, but says the coach has to go.
Why?


He (King) has articulated why in other commentaries.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #125 –
I like King but about this time 2 years ago he said the Lions needed to sack Fagan and get a real coach like Chris Scott.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #126 –
With Cripps Weitering and McKay, I would be sitting them down at the end of the year and see where they think they are at. If they are happy to be part of a rebuild at Carlton knowing full well they wont be playing in a premiership (or even finals)  anytime soon, then great. If however they want out, then like with Charlie we should facilitate trades for them.
As for their leadership, we can only judge from an outsider looking in as we dont know what they are like "close up" and "within the four walls". From that outsiders perspective:
- Harry offers zero and shouldn't be anywhere near the official leadership group. Nor can he be relied on to provide onfield leadership in the way he plays.
- Weitering appears to offer marginally more that Harry, his body language and demeanour this year in particular has been alarming (to me at least). He could form part of the leadership group but VC or Captain, no way.
- Cripps. We all know he tries his absolute heart out and leads the best way he can. However he seems broken and defeated and maybe removing the captaincy from him will lighten the burden for him and freshen him up to go about and do what he does best, win the footy inside. The question is, will he see this as a slap in the face or will he embrace it?
Again, the above is my uneducated opinion based on what it looks like to me. The only ones who know best are their team mates and coaches.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership