Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 10:10:09 am

Irrespective of the change in season, there are a couple of things to consider.

As the season wore on, with the roles changing, and different personnel getting more amongst it, we were always going to improve  as the season wore on.  Guys like Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are living in Melbourne for the first time in ages (if at all).  As their routine settles, so will their performances.   Likewise, the absence of certain individuals means we were growing accustomed to not having someone like Charlie, JSOS and TDK around.  Some of the other players were also well down on form, and as we know in sports form is fickle.  It can turn quickly.

The dead cat bounce is also a thing.  The coach going clears the air in a way that can only be cleared by backing the coach in (dont tell me Vossy was backed in, Im not having that, everyone could see it was win or else, so the players probably felt additional pressure to perform.  They couldnt stand up, we generally wilt under pressure, thats the club culture.  It stems from taking the easy way out and sacking coaches so the cycle becomes self fulfilling.

Finally, we are having a patch where we beat a very wounded bulldogs, who are playing under manned.  Despite this they remain plucky and that win was better than advertised, but would it have come without the dead cat bounce?  We cant know.  Port dont want to win.  Sure they kind of want it, but they dont, there is no gain in it for them, because when Butters goes at the end of the season, they will go backwards again so reading anything into that match is fraught with danger.

Ergo, any turnaround statistically in the midst of this season, is a furphy, and largely we were building towards it anyway.  Tomorrow will tell us a lot more, but our next few matches pit us against West Coast and the Bombers.  We were a real chance of going 4 and 1 before a ball was kicked in all those matches, with or without the coach change.

Agree....I think its all been part of a plan engineered last season by Wright, even down to Fraser being the caretaker and the timing of his initial appointment. Why wasnt the senior assistant in Hansen caretaker? Much like Soloman going from board member to Assistant, Brad Scott would have known the writing was on the wall with that appointment and I reckon Voss would have had the same thoughts with Fraser. The club winning a few on the trot under Voss would have made the timing and decision to move him on awkward and more questions being asked. Im not a Voss spruiker but he was played like a piano this past 12 months as the Management played their games and had their fallguy in place and he would have been smart enough to have figured what was going on but forced to play along and I'll give him credit for his demeanor because he never arced up or questioned his position publically even though he knew he was finished in the role.

That's the question....
What is Wright's plan?
What's driving some of these decisions.

I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily.
Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made.
The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.

I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach.
Clubs won't just look at the W/L
They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor.
Is it a list problem?
Is it the game style?
They'll look at coach/player dynamics.
How does the coach perform on match-day?

They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership.
They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand
They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?

But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.

I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision.
He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.

Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change.
Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail.
Some were still fully supportive.
Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.

But I personally think it was all pre-determined.
He was never going to be extended.
The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season.
There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites.
But it will happen.
Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on Today at 01:49:33 pm

Agree....I think its all been part of a plan engineered last season by Wright, even down to Fraser being the caretaker and the timing of his initial appointment. Why wasnt the senior assistant in Hansen caretaker? Much like Soloman going from board member to Assistant, Brad Scott would have known the writing was on the wall with that appointment and I reckon Voss would have had the same thoughts with Fraser. The club winning a few on the trot under Voss would have made the timing and decision to move him on awkward and more questions being asked. Im not a Voss spruiker but he was played like a piano this past 12 months as the Management played their games and had their fallguy in place and he would have been smart enough to have figured what was going on but forced to play along and I'll give him credit for his demeanor because he never arced up or questioned his position publically even though he knew he was finished in the role.

That's the question....
What is Wright's plan?
What's driving some of these decisions.

I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily.
Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made.
The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.

I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach.
Clubs won't just look at the W/L
They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor.
Is it a list problem?
Is it the game style?
They'll look at coach/player dynamics.
How does the coach perform on match-day?

They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership.
They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand
They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?

But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.

I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision.
He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.

Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change.
Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail.
Some were still fully supportive.
Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.

But I personally think it was all pre-determined.
He was never going to be extended.
The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season.
There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites.
But it will happen.
Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.

Quote from: Lods – on Today at 03:06:34 pm

That's the question....
What is Wright's plan?
What's driving some of these decisions.

I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily.
Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made.
The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.

I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach.
Clubs won't just look at the W/L
They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor.
Is it a list problem?
Is it the game style?
They'll look at coach/player dynamics.
How does the coach perform on match-day?

They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership.
They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand
They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?

But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.

I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision.
He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.

Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change.
Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail.
Some were still fully supportive.
Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.

But I personally think it was all pre-determined.
He was never going to be extended.
The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season.
There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites.
But it will happen.
Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.

im still angry about it.

We have fallen because someone has better ideas as far as I can tell.

If their plan fails its more time wasted and yet another reason why we will wonder what if.

Understand.
There are two ways to look at it...
It's more of the same
or
There's a plan being put in place that's going to involve a bit of pain, but will set us up for future success..
We've embarked on a course.
We have no power to change it.
So we just have to watch it play out and hope for it to be a path to success.

If we don't jump up and down about it now. What is stopping the club from doing it again next time.....and again....and again.

There is a difference between 'moving on' and 'holding the club accountable'.

Whether its the right decision or the wrong decision, time will tell.
Even if it was the wrong decision, it may end up working.
Even if it was the right decision, it mey not end up working.