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Quote from: kruddler – on June 21, 2026, 01:28:07 pm

Vossy was the one who brought Hewett back into the side.
Vossy was the one who played Dean and Jagga from day 1.
Vossy was the one who brought in Wilson.
Vossy was the one who played Harry as 2nd ruck.

Vossy was the one who did 99% of what Fraser is getting credit for.

I've got no issue with Fraser and what he is doing....and what he did previously with the bullants etc.
But lets there is a lot of attempting to rewrite history going on.
When Fraser took over, we were ranked with the easiest (or 2nd easiest) draw coming up through the middle part of the season.
He has been good since he come on board, but right place and right time play a huge part in that.

There's also the integration of our VFL and AFL squads that Jordan Russell gave Vossy credit for in his interview last week.

Then there's the fact that the coach, whether it's Vossy or Fraser, doesn't select the team himself but is one voice, admittedly a loud one, on the match committee.

There's no doubt that Fraser is doing a great job but, as he and others freely admit, it's on the back of the foundations Vossy and the other members of the coaching panel built.

I hope that Fraser sticks to his guns and continues to rule himself out of the top job.  Another Teague Train debacle could be be terminal for players, supporters and the club.

I shudder to think about Jagga slammed like that..  He is still very small and light and it was really obvious against the likes of Stone, Callaghan, Daniels etc

I am guessing that there were issues/differences of opinion between Vossy and at least some of the players. Something has definitely changed, we play with so much more belief and authority. It’s remarkable and refreshing.

If folks want to make comparisons between Voss and Fraser look don't look at recent history.
Look at the last half of 2023 and  now.
Same/same

That 2023 run we built on the back of relentless pressure and effort, double teaming in tackles.
We lost our way in 2024- 2025.
A lot of that was the result of injury and in 2025 off-field disaffection and division.
That pressure and effort...and belief is back now.

Rewatched the game, a few things stood out for me in this game;

Umpiring.  I just don't understand so many calls, even worse are the awful missed calls. 
Dreadful delivery into F50 by both sides. Park football stuff.
Woeful goal kicking... We kick from angles far too often but we waste so many set shots.  Talor needs to nail the few chances he gets and he ain't. Thirty metres out should be simple.
Our marking targets McG- Kemp-Harry are an issue. Harry plays better up the ground, Kemp can't finish reliably and McG is barely going. 
If Derkson is going to make it he needs a kicking coach...he lays back on every kick and its heart in mouth stuff every time as a result.
Cerra's lack of pace and current "third wheel status" in the midfield - going to get squeezed out I reckon.
There was an amazing contest between Ainsworth and a Giants mid in the square, both players went real hard and it was great....I shudder to think about Jagga slammed like that..  He is still very small and light and it was really obvious against the likes of Stone, Callaghan, Daniels etc

Quote from: Lods – on Today at 01:14:23 pm

If folks want to make comparisons between Voss and Fraser look don't look at recent history.
Look at the last half of 2023 and  now.
Same/same

That 2023 run we built on the back of relentless pressure and effort, double teaming in tackles.
We lost our way in 2024- 2025.
A lot of that was the result of injury and in 2025 off-field disaffection and division.
That pressure and effort...and belief is back now.

You know what else is the same???
A fit Patrick Cripps.

Was he fit at the start of the year? No.
Walsh? No.

Makes a difference when your good players are fit. Who'd have thunk it?!

Fit or not fit we are heavily dependent on Cripps still and to a lesser extent Walsh if they dont play well we still struggle.
Its not healthy moving forward and not sustainable imho, Bulldogs have the same problem with Bont having to be in the best players on the ground each week for them to win.

The next year Cripps won the Brownlow, Curnow kicked 64 goals and we recruited Hewitt and Cerra - How good a coach was Voss?  Did Teague get any credit for player development?