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Just start with the simple stuff, improve our kicking for goal and we’d probably have beaten them.
Plenty of other issues of course but getting the basics right would be a good start.

Quote from: cookie2 – on Today at 01:42:13 pm

Just start with the simple stuff, improve our kicking for goal and we’d probably have beaten them.
Plenty of other issues of course but getting the basics right would be a good start.

You dont need me to tell you Cookie as you have watched plenty of football over the journey that unfortunately players who are poor to average field or goal kicks rarely improve and you have to usually go out and recruit better kicking players.
Stewart Lowe is about the only player I can remember who went from being a poor kick for goal to a very reliable kick later in his career. Earl Spalding perhaps is another who improved in our last premiership year....seems like a century ago🤔😉.

I thought injuries were no excuse?

Quote from: cookie2 – on Today at 01:42:13 pm

Just start with the simple stuff, improve our kicking for goal and we’d probably have beaten them.
Plenty of other issues of course but getting the basics right would be a good start.

You dont need me to tell you Cookie as you have watched plenty of football over the journey that unfortunately players who are poor to average field or goal kicks rarely improve and you have to usually go out and recruit better kicking players.
Stewart Lowe is about the only player I can remember who went from being a poor kick for goal to a very reliable kick later in his career. Earl Spalding perhaps is another who improved in our last premiership year....seems like a century ago🤔😉.

I thought injuries were no excuse?

Quote from: madbluboy – on Today at 02:06:15 pm

I thought injuries were no excuse?

Injuries are never an excuse — but they are a reason.

We were wasteful up forward and we gave up far too many easy goals. Membrey alone crumbed at least two.

Ainsworth had an uncharacteristically bad first quarter and made some awful errors. To his credit he worked into the game and finished strongly, but seven turnovers is rough.

Hayward was close to his worst game of the season and had basically no impact. Florent struggled as well, and we generated almost no drive off half‑back.

Acres was poor and showed why he was dropped earlier in the year. He lost his width, which let Crisp stroll inside 50 for an easy goal. He was up against it when thrown into the ruck. If Ollie isn’t the answer, I’d rather see a kid get wing minutes — Acres isn’t it.

The inexperienced backline battled hard but panicked and over‑handled the ball coming out of defence.

Kemp… he gets to the right spots, but when he lines up for a set shot from 40 out on a slight angle you just know he’s not kicking it — and might not even trouble the scorers. Eight marks is good, but his confidence looks shot. Levi actually improved his kicking at Carlton; Kemp looks like he’s going backwards.

Reidy — I haven’t seen anything yet that gives me much hope.

We always seem to find a way to lose to this mob. The only upside is the false hope their supporters will walk away with.

Quote from: Shakin77 – on Today at 03:25:48 pm

Injuries are never an excuse — but they are a reason.

We were wasteful up forward and we gave up far too many easy goals. Membrey alone crumbed at least two.

Ainsworth had an uncharacteristically bad first quarter and made some awful errors. To his credit he worked into the game and finished strongly, but seven turnovers is rough.

Hayward was close to his worst game of the season and had basically no impact. Florent struggled as well, and we generated almost no drive off half‑back.

Acres was poor and showed why he was dropped earlier in the year. He lost his width, which let Crisp stroll inside 50 for an easy goal. He was up against it when thrown into the ruck. If Ollie isn’t the answer, I’d rather see a kid get wing minutes — Acres isn’t it.

The inexperienced backline battled hard but panicked and over‑handled the ball coming out of defence.

Kemp… he gets to the right spots, but when he lines up for a set shot from 40 out on a slight angle you just know he’s not kicking it — and might not even trouble the scorers. Eight marks is good, but his confidence looks shot. Levi actually improved his kicking at Carlton; Kemp looks like he’s going backwards.

Reidy — I haven’t seen anything yet that gives me much hope.

We always seem to find a way to lose to this mob. The only upside is the false hope their supporters will walk away with.

Pies would probably suggest with their two key defenders out in Moore and Howe they had the injury excuse too, you add perennial pest Elliott and the hardworking Schultz and I reckon it was even on the injury front.
I thought it was a poor quality game from both teams and showed why both are midpack combatants at best and the best players for both teams are the best players every week, every game because the drop away in impactful talent is so large...

Quote from: Lods – on Today at 10:54:15 am

Just a bit of ruck trivia.

When we played Collingwood earlier in the year Pittonet and Cameron split the hitouts 20 a piece.
Hit outs to advantage were 5-2 in favour of Pittonet.

Oscar Steene (15- HTA 6 )and Lewis Young (7 -HTA 3) also did  bit of ruck work.
So all up it was Collingwood 35 -HTA 8 v Carlton 27-HTA 8

Last night they were 39-18 in Cameron's favour but Reidy won the HTA 8 to 5
Mc Stay also had 10-HTA 1 but no other Carlton player registered  a hit out
So 49-18 in terms of first hands but 8-6 our way in terms of HTAs

But in terms of
Clearances...41-39 our way
Centre Clearances...16-11 our way
Stoppage Clearances 28-25 their way.

All pretty even.

Cameron had 18 disposals to Reidy's 16
Cameron took 3 marks Reidy 0
Cameron made 2 tackles Reidy 6
Cameron had 8 clearances to Reidy's 6
Both had 4 inside 50s
Reidy had 4 centre clearances to Cameron's 2
Cameron had 18 contested possessions to Reidy's 12
...so a bit for each of them in  those stats...

The question from all that is.... was Reidy all that bad or have we concentrated too much on 'first hands' on the ball.

Far too much emphasis is placed on hitouts without considering who wins the clearances.  Reidy crashing into Cameron at a centre ball up so that his hitout is misdirected and sharked is more of a win than a Reidy hitout that doesn't find its target.

Cameron was better on the night, but not by much.  Reidy's performance was more admirable considering that he was virtually a lone hand.  His physicality was excellent and some of his tackles were as bone-jarring as Byrner's    His shot for goal was disappointing, but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe, and I'd like to see him take some marks.  At this stage, he offers more than Skull and Riley, and probably just shades Pitto.

Season over as regards finals!
Wins are no longer important!     Will Carlton now play more youth? 
Expose  Ben & Lucas Camporeale,  Harry Charleson to AFL football.
More games also to Flynn Young  and Harry Boyd (still okay in my mind).  
Then of course one or more of rucks Flynn Riley  and HOK need to play.

Quote from: Shakin77 – on Today at 03:25:48 pm

Injuries are never an excuse — but they are a reason.

We were wasteful up forward and we gave up far too many easy goals. Membrey alone crumbed at least two.

Ainsworth had an uncharacteristically bad first quarter and made some awful errors. To his credit he worked into the game and finished strongly, but seven turnovers is rough.

Hayward was close to his worst game of the season and had basically no impact. Florent struggled as well, and we generated almost no drive off half‑back.

Acres was poor and showed why he was dropped earlier in the year. He lost his width, which let Crisp stroll inside 50 for an easy goal. He was up against it when thrown into the ruck. If Ollie isn’t the answer, I’d rather see a kid get wing minutes — Acres isn’t it.

The inexperienced backline battled hard but panicked and over‑handled the ball coming out of defence.

Kemp… he gets to the right spots, but when he lines up for a set shot from 40 out on a slight angle you just know he’s not kicking it — and might not even trouble the scorers. Eight marks is good, but his confidence looks shot. Levi actually improved his kicking at Carlton; Kemp looks like he’s going backwards.

Reidy — I haven’t seen anything yet that gives me much hope.

We always seem to find a way to lose to this mob. The only upside is the false hope their supporters will walk away with.

Pies would probably suggest with their two key defenders out in Moore and Howe they had the injury excuse too, you add perennial pest Elliott and the hardworking Schultz and I reckon it was even on the injury front.
I thought it was a poor quality game from both teams and showed why both are midpack combatants at best and the best players for both teams are the best players every week, every game because the drop away in impactful talent is so large...

Cripps choosing a left foot snap was worse than any  Kemp miskick.