Friday night at the MCG. Don't know if I'm really looking forward to it: too many injuries at the wrong time.
I wonder how many of our starting midfield will actually be fit to play?
I wonder how many of our starting midfield will actually be fit to play?
I dont really care who comes in, just get Honey out and never play him again.
I dont really care who comes in, just get Honey out and never play him again.
1x inside 50
3x tackles
2x tackles inside 50
4x score involvements
1x clearance
1x goal
27x pressure acts - equal game high
You see those numbers and you think thats pretty damn good.
You want your small forward to pressure, tackle, get involved with setting up goals and kicking them.
He did all those things.
I thought it was one of his best ever games watching at the ground. Was surprised to see the hate directed at him.
Friday night at the MCG. Don't know if I'm really looking forward to it: too many injuries at the wrong time.
Deja vu???
Strap in.
re pies vs port
Best result for us really.
Hard fought game which will tire the pies out.
They got out of jail again, so they still think their $hit don't stink.
Had they lost that one, they would've had extra motivation against us next week.
Going to be a huge crowd at this one with 2 in-form teams with 90k+ members (each) trying to get in to see this one.
1x inside 50
3x tackles
2x tackles inside 50
4x score involvements
1x clearance
1x goal
27x pressure acts - equal game high
You see those numbers and you think thats pretty damn good.
You want your small forward to pressure, tackle, get involved with setting up goals and kicking them.
He did all those things.
I thought it was one of his best ever games watching at the ground. Was surprised to see the hate directed at him.
I want him to succeed
But watching at the ground too, no, I don’t think he did anywhere near enough.
re pies vs port
Best result for us really.
Hard fought game which will tire the pies out.
They got out of jail again, so they still think their $hit don't stink.
Had they lost that one, they would've had extra motivation against us next week.
Going to be a huge crowd at this one with 2 in-form teams with 90k+ members (each) trying to get in to see this one.
BUT Collingwood home game so mainly their supporters.
Against pies you need to have a FIGJAM attitude. We don’t, yet. Port did but fluffed it. They won’t make the mistake again.
I want him to succeed
But watching at the ground too, no, I don’t think he did anywhere near enough.
Truth be told, i'm not a fan.
But at the ground, i saw how hard he was working to put pressure on the ball carrier. He seemed to be everywhere. Clearly, that was without the ball. I deliberately went looking for the 'pressure act' stat to see if my eyes were lying to me, but no, he was up with the best in that area.
Having said that, that is the minimum we can expect from him. He needs to continue to improve his offensive side of his game to succeed at AFL level. I just think people are being a bit harsh on him.
Truth be told, i'm not a fan.
But at the ground, i saw how hard he was working to put pressure on the ball carrier. He seemed to be everywhere. Clearly, that was without the ball. I deliberately went looking for the 'pressure act' stat to see if my eyes were lying to me, but no, he was up with the best in that area.
Having said that, that is the minimum we can expect from him. He needs to continue to improve his offensive side of his game to succeed at AFL level. I just think people are being a bit harsh on him.
Would you play him vs Collingwood? and who could you trust him to play on?
I want him to succeed
But watching at the ground too, no, I don’t think he did anywhere near enough.
So was I.
I thought Honey’s left foot snap would set him up for a good day but it wasn’t to be.
No other player, including the subs and injured players, had fewer possessions. Three effective disposals in a game of footy isn’t good enough, particularly when the opposition is mediocre and their defence is under extreme pressure.
Apart from that early snap, Honey didn’t look like getting the pill and, when he did get in the way of the footy, he dropped a simple chest mark and pushed his opponent in the back. The latter incident suggested to me that Honey lacks the confidence to take on an opponent.
Contrast Honey’s game with that of Motlop’s. Motlop has a long way to go but his effort today, in half a game, is what a small forward has to bring each week. Shadowing a defender and putting a little pressure on them doesn’t get the job done.
I want all of our players to succeed but they have to give it a decent crack and make a genuine effort to get their hands on the footy.
Pies are a few classes above us. They are close to full strength and we have too many under injury clouds to get close to them IMO
I know this goes against what many will think but I would this game as though is a bye round and conserve energy for the last 5 games where if we get most of our soldiers back we can win enough to make finals.
Need a full strength team to have any chance of beating this mob unfortunately and the timing of when we are getting them gives us very little chance imo.
Better to save petrol tickets for the run after this week.
Pies are a few classes above us. They are close to full strength and we have too many under injury clouds to get close to them IMO
I know this goes against what many will think but I would this game as though is a bye round and conserve energy for the last 5 games where if we get most of our soldiers back we can win enough to make finals.
Need a full strength team to have any chance of beating this mob unfortunately and the timing of when we are getting them gives us very little chance imo.
Better to save petrol tickets for the run after this week.
100% agree, this is the week to rest players (if you are to ever take that gamble), as well as we have been playing, I dont think we are beating them any time time soon. Doubts on:
Cripps
Cerra
Martin
Walsh
Silvagni
Motlop
Thats a alot of injuries to some of the most important players on our list.
It's a funny one.
I noticed Honey more in this game than I have previously.
He kept at it with effort.
I doubt it's anywhere near enough, but I suspect Voss probably would have been reasonably happy with the pressure aspects of his game.
He talked about role players in his press conference.
Realistically if our team is all fit and in form though, there's probably 35+ players in front of him.
Pies are a few classes above us. They are close to full strength and we have too many under injury clouds to get close to them IMO
I know this goes against what many will think but I would this game as though is a bye round and conserve energy for the last 5 games where if we get most of our soldiers back we can win enough to make finals.
Need a full strength team to have any chance of beating this mob unfortunately and the timing of when we are getting them gives us very little chance imo.
Better to save petrol tickets for the run after this week.
It goes against every fibre of my being, but it's really a logical idea.
Rest now, don't bust a gut only to be overrun in the final quarter, don't show our hand and just bide our time.
The chances of beating them now are slim.
Jump them in the Grand final.
The counter argument is that we need to win games to play finals...but realistically, are we in any shape to take them on if many of our key players are struggling with injury?
We can't afford to take injured players into this game.
Take our best fit team in and have a real crack. Otherwise if we go in half arsed we'll get smashed by 100 points, which won't do our percentage or momentum any good. Cripps should be back, and maybe a couple of others if we're lucky. Cerra was a test this week and probably rested for next week. The one that really disappoints me is Walsh, he has been in really good form lately, and we lost him in the last game last year too. If we had Walsh, Cripps & Cerra I'd say we are in with a shot, if we have 2 of them and they aren't labouring too much i'll give us a slim chance to upset the pies.
It's a funny one.
I noticed Honey more in this game than I have previously.
He kept at it with effort.
I doubt it's anywhere near enough, but I suspect Voss probably would have been reasonably happy with the pressure aspects of his game.
He talked about role players in his press conference.
Realistically if our team is all fit and in form though, there's probably 35+ players in front of him.
You got to take into account the opposition too...WC are the worst team ever assembled and if that's the best Honey can offer then he won't stay on the list. If the MC really loved his game they will keep him in the team vs Collingwood, he might even get the pleasure of Nick Daicos lining up on him at half back...🤔
Take our best fit team in and have a real crack. Otherwise if we go in half arsed we'll get smashed by 100 points, which won't do our percentage or momentum any good. Cripps should be back, and maybe a couple of others if we're lucky. Cerra was a test this week and probably rested for next week. The one that really disappoints me is Walsh, he has been in really good form lately, and we lost him in the last game last year too. If we had Walsh, Cripps & Cerra I'd say we are in with a shot, if we have 2 of them and they aren't labouring too much i'll give us a slim chance to upset the pies.
Coll aren't 100pts better than any team we would put up, as good as they are they don't necessarily smack teams by 100 pts. Last time they did that was 2012.
Take our best fit team in and have a real crack. Otherwise if we go in half arsed we'll get smashed by 100 points, which won't do our percentage or momentum any good. Cripps should be back, and maybe a couple of others if we're lucky. Cerra was a test this week and probably rested for next week. The one that really disappoints me is Walsh, he has been in really good form lately, and we lost him in the last game last year too. If we had Walsh, Cripps & Cerra I'd say we are in with a shot, if we have 2 of them and they aren't labouring too much i'll give us a slim chance to upset the pies.
The key is that first bit..."our best fit team".
If they're 100% they play...if they could benefit from a week off then rest them.
Just reading around a bit, there is surprisingly a fair bit of support for 'keeping the powder dry.'
I'd thought the idea would be pretty much condemned by most supporters, especially seeing it's Collingwood.
But "Lose the battle to win the war later in the year", looks like it has some support.
Experiment a bit with match-ups and use the game to form a plan to combat them should we meet them in the finals.
There is also a chance that they may see a depleted Carlton as an 'easy kill' and that could mess with their application and intensity a bit.
What is a bit entrenched at the moment is our pressure, and that should still be evident no matter who takes the field.
Collingwood have certainly had a few blowout victories this season, but plenty have been by small margins. Once you build a reputation for that type of winning, you gain an added advantage of living rent free inside your opponents heads. No doubt they train for it, but the luck involved in those wins is off the charts in my view.
We're currently the most in-form team playing. Bring it from the start and we'll win.
We're currently the most in-form team playing. Bring it from the start and we'll win.
Behind GWS perhaps.
Would you play him vs Collingwood? and who could you trust him to play on?
Might have no choice but to play him.
But playing as a forward, it doesn't matter who he plays on, he is there for pressure.
Might have no choice but to play him.
But playing as a forward, it doesn't matter who he plays on, he is there for pressure.
Problem is he will be the one under pressure.....
Jack may be 'season ending' according to a few reports.
Problem is he will be the one under pressure.....
I don't care if he doesn't touch the ball all game. If he continues to be the little Jack Russell nipping at everyones heals the whole day then its job done.
Jack may be 'season ending' according to a few reports.
That would be devastating for him. Not to mention our fwd line.
Evidently small Durdin injured his shoulder in the 2's. Motlop ? H out. Martin? Fisher? ........
Which Jack?
Which Jack?
I'm safely assuming it's Jack Silvagni.
I'm safely assuming it's Jack Silvagni.
Yes given Voss was talking about expecting "all three back" vs Coll in reference to Cripps, Martin and Cerra.
I'm safely assuming it's Jack Silvagni.
How did he get injured?
Last thing i remember seeing was him grabbing the ball out of the ruck, sprinting towards goal, kicking it, then running off the ground. Then i don't remember seeing him again. Did he do it running off the ground??
How did he get injured?
Last thing i remember seeing was him grabbing the ball out of the ruck, sprinting towards goal, kicking it, then running off the ground. Then i don't remember seeing him again. Did he do it running off the ground??
Not sure sorry. I was listening on the wireless.
I thought I heard Jack injuring his knee. Didn’t think it was his hamstring. That would be Walsh. I wouldn’t suggest we bring any players back that are not 100%. We are likely to lose against the Pies. It might pay to rest a few. Giving us a better chance to have a shot against the remaining games which are all potential wins. Three of them if we come out with an aggressive attitude. Might be enough for a top 8 finish. I hope we are competitive against the Pies, but I won’t be devastated if we lose. Only if we get smashed.
The Pies get so much of their aura from the fact that they keep getting up off the floor when it looks like they are cooked.
But, in all of those games, they did actually end up a fair way behind. Therein lies the opportunity. There will come a time when they get behind and cannot get back. They are far from invincible, and are probably due to have a flat one after last week's massive game.
Having said that, I don't think we can get them this week. Timing is just not right yet.
The Pies get so much of their aura from the fact that they keep getting up off the floor when it looks like they are cooked.
But, in all of those games, they did actually end up a fair way behind. Therein lies the opportunity. There will come a time when they get behind and cannot get back. They are far from invincible, and are probably due to have a flat one after last week's massive game.
Having said that, I don't think we can get them this week. Timing is just not right yet.
Agree but then there is a little part of me that worries maybe they are even better then we give them credit for. To win so many of their games in high pressure last quarters coming from behind builds enormous mental strength. Furthermore they have such high level of game awareness knowing which levers to pull at certain stages that their opposition can’t help but feel the pressure of the situation regardless if they are leading on the scoreboard or behind.
Only a horrendous run with injuries from now till GF day will be their undoing. As much as it pains me to say it nothing else will stop then this year.
As far as this week goes a respectable loss (under 6 goals) so our confidence is not damaged and no new injuries and that’s a tick from me.
Jack may be 'season ending' according to a few reports.
Word I have is, it is. Will be getting some work done. Another meniscus I believe. The curse continues.
Agree but then there is a little part of me that worries maybe they are even better then we give them credit for. To win so many of their games in high pressure last quarters coming from behind builds enormous mental strength. Furthermore they have such high level of game awareness knowing which levers to pull at certain stages that their opposition can’t help but feel the pressure of the situation regardless if they are leading on the scoreboard or behind.
Only a horrendous run with injuries from now till GF day will be their undoing. As much as it pains me to say it nothing else will stop then this year.
As far as this week goes a respectable loss (under 6 goals) so our confidence is not damaged and no new injuries and that’s a tick from me.
Winning those close ones from behind isn't as easy in finals, as they found last year. They fall behind too much. If that was Carlton coming from behind we'd all asking why we keep falling behind in the first place. As some stage you just won't be able to lift.
You would have to think that the way they play and the positions they get themselves into means that a loss is coming somewhere for them between now and the end of the year.
Their strength is their 'come from behind' belief.
Their weakness is that they get in that position in the first place.
It's funny but the stronger our side looks going into the game the less our chances of pulling off the win may be.
If they think we're 'wounded' they may not be as prepared mentally as they would be facing a full strength side.
The "who's playing, who's not" also messes with their planning and matchups a bit.
That reinforces my feeling we should play our 'best fully fit' side rather than taking any chances with injured players, even if the injuries are minor.
I can't believe how negative a lot are here!
I think we can win, and win well!!!
We are no longer reliant on Crips & co to win.
We are playing really good team football.
We have enough skilled players to cover the ones who will be missing.
Blues by 45 for me!!!
On First Crack they showed all the teams that challenge Collingwood are good at keeping the ball in their forward half. We were poor at this until 5 weeks ago.
I can't believe how negative a lot are here!
I think we can win, and win well!!!
We are no longer reliant on Crips & co to win.
We are playing really good team football.
We have enough skilled players to cover the ones who will be missing.
Blues by 45 for me!!!
I love the optimism and the positivity, but that's a big call.
The next man up mantra will be interesting this week with Cripps, Cerra, Martin and Owies good chances to return (according to Vossy). Our ins could mean a stronger 22.
While Collingwood has good reason to be confident in their ability to win close games, their propensity to get in such situations makes them vulnerable. Regardless of who comes into our 22, we are very good chance to win if we start well and can keep the pill in our forward half.
Regardless of who comes into our 22, we are very good chance to win if we start well and can keep the pill in our forward half.
Provided we select 22 players who are willing and able to play both ways.
Yes given Voss was talking about expecting "all three back" vs Coll in reference to Cripps, Martin and Cerra.
Yes given Voss was talking about expecting "all three back" vs Coll in reference to Cripps, Martin and Cerra.
Youd have to think that all 3 were pretty much rested. minor niggles that they would have played with against a real opposition
I heard on the radio all 3 are still in doubt for this week.
Repeat of Cottrell, Cunners and Fogs work rate and 17-20 tackles in forward half will go a long way. They are mature and experienced enough now to get this crucial part of the game done that was missing all season until recently
I heard on the radio all 3 are still in doubt for this week.
If they are not right, don't play them.
This one we all have down as a loss anyway. Might as well play blokes who are fully fit and will give a fair crack.
Save these blokes and get them right for the games we MUST win, St. Kilda, GWS, GC etc.
Coaches' votes :
10 Charlie Curnow (CARL)
8 Sam Docherty (CARL)
6 George Hewett (CARL)
2 Tom De Koning (CARL)
2 Nicholas Newman (CARL)
1 Adam Saad (CARL)
1 Sam Walsh (CARL)
Coaches' votes :
10 Charlie Curnow (CARL)
8 Sam Docherty (CARL)
6 George Hewett (CARL)
2 Tom De Koning (CARL)
2 Nicholas Newman (CARL)
1 Adam Saad (CARL)
1 Sam Walsh (CARL)
Not often you'd get a vote with only 34% time on ground.
But it was probably deserved....one of the best 34% games I've seen ;) :D
Not often you'd get a vote with only 34% time on ground.
But it was probably deserved....one of the best 34% games I've seen ;) :D
Yes. Would have likely scored a perfect 10 if he played out the game.
Those scans on our injured players seem to be taking their sweet time.....................
Those scans on our injured players seem to be taking their sweet time.....................
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Where is Pink Floyd when you need them! :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG2tZNOQWAA
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1386476/injury-news-updates-on-walsh-silvagni-plus-six-more-blues
Walsh Low Grade Hammy 2-3 weeks
Silvagni Knee Sprain to be assessed in the coming weeks
Motlop Test
Cripps Test
Cerra Test
Martin Test
Owies Test
Durdin Test
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1386476/injury-news-updates-on-walsh-silvagni-plus-six-more-blues
Walsh Low Grade Hammy 2-3 weeks
Silvagni Knee Sprain to be assessed in the coming weeks
Motlop Test
Cripps Test
Cerra Test
Martin Test
Owies Test
Durdin Test
Testing times!
I’ll see myself out …
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1386476/injury-news-updates-on-walsh-silvagni-plus-six-more-blues
Walsh Low Grade Hammy 2-3 weeks
Silvagni Knee Sprain to be assessed in the coming weeks
Motlop Test
Cripps Test
Cerra Test
Martin Test
Owies Test
Durdin Test
Including Zac Williams eight of 13 on injury list are starting 22 quality whereas Magpies have one big fat zero.
Happened to us this time last year as well. I think we are playing better footy this time around - Kemp, Cincotta, Cotts, Fogs, Cunners all having a say this year.
Back to 13 on the injury list. We're in familiar terrier-tory 😉
Back to 13 on the injury list. We're in familiar terrier-tory 😉
:)) :)) very clever stuff.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
Including Zac Williams eight of 13 on injury list are starting 22 quality whereas Magpies have one big fat zero.
Happened to us this time last year as well. I think we are playing better footy this time around - Kemp, Cincotta, Cotts, Fogs, Cunners all having a say this year.
Can’t really count Zac as Cincotta has more than adequately replaced him on the list and in the 22.
If anything has improved this season, it’s our depth with the likes of Cincotta, Cuningham, Fogarty, Martin and Kemp forcing their way into the 22, Acres, Hollands and Cowan adding some class and grunt, and Plowman, Marchbank, Dow, 2 X Durdin, and Binns waiting in the wings with Lemmey, O’Keeffe and Akuei coming along nicely.
Regardless of who does or doesn’t pass their fitness tests, we’ll put a competitive 22 on the park and, if we maintain the same intensity as we’ve produced in the last five weeks, we will prevail.
Including Zac Williams eight of 13 on injury list are starting 22 quality whereas Magpies have one big fat zero.
I’m telling ya those pies are up to no good. How is it possible they are so fit so strong so fast and no injuries. From a shambles the last few years of Buckleys reign now all of sudden they are all on a level that’s not matched by anyone.
ASADA needs to investigate these pr1cks.
I’m telling ya those pies are up to no good. How is it possible they are so fit so strong so fast and no injuries. From a shambles the last few years of Buckleys reign now all of sudden they are all on a level that’s not matched by anyone.
ASADA needs to investigate these pr1cks.
There is no way in hell any team would be stupid enough, not even the Filth, to go down that track after the Cheats FC fiasco.
Outs Walsh SOS Mots Young
In Cripps Cerra Martin or Owies (prefer the former) Pitto
Game On!
There is no way in hell any team would be stupid enough, not even the Filth, to go down that track after the Cheats FC fiasco.
Even though I think it is unlikely, I would never say never, a degree of arrogance is a trait of elite sport!
There is no way in hell any team would be stupid enough, not even the Filth, to go down that track after the Cheats FC fiasco.
And they’ve had their share of injuries.
They have an abundance of genuine talent on their list and plenty of role players who can more than adequately cover the absence of suspended/injured players.
They have simply built on the solid foundation established last season.
I’m telling ya those pies are up to no good. How is it possible they are so fit so strong so fast and no injuries. From a shambles the last few years of Buckleys reign now all of sudden they are all on a level that’s not matched by anyone.
ASADA needs to investigate these pr1cks.
It's their skills that have been separating them from the rest.
Hear me out!!
In Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Marchbank, Young
Out Silvagni, Walsh, E Curnow, Cowan, Honey
Kemp Weitering Saad
Newman Marchbank Cincotta
Acres Cripps Holland
Cunners McGovern Martin
Fogarty Curnow Motlop
DeKoning Cerra Docherty
Young, Hewett, Dow, Cotterell.
Mihoctek v Weitering
McStay v Kemp
Young v Cox both are one dimensional, no good below their knees, not physical. Young knows how to spoil and wont be intimidated in the ruck. Just go everywhere with Cox...in the ruck, down forward, to the dunny everywhere.
Hear me out!!
In Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Marchbank, Young
Out Silvagni, Walsh, E Curnow, Cowan, Honey
Kemp Weitering Saad
Newman Marchbank Cincotta
Acres Cripps Holland
Cunners McGovern Martin
Fogarty Curnow Motlop
DeKoning Cerra Docherty
Young, Hewett, Dow, Cotterell.
Mihoctek v Weitering
McStay v Kemp
Young v Cox both are one dimensional, no good below their knees, not physical. Young knows how to spoil and wont be intimidated in the ruck. Just go everywhere with Cox...in the ruck, down forward, to the dunny everywhere.
Couple things....
1. Motlop is injured and i think will be an out as well.
2. Young will NOT be intimidated in the ruck?? Really? He is the most timid 'ruck' i've seen since Robbie Warnock.
I would've preferred Marchbank to come in last week and given the extra intensity that the AFL has over VFL, and the extra intensity this game will have over a normal AFL game, i'm not sure its the right time for him.
Pittonet was supposedly BOG in the 2's, so should come in for Silvagni
For mine....
Cripps <> Walsh
Cerra <> Dow
Pittonet <> Silvagni
Martin <> Motlop
Binns <> Young (sub)
Cowan -> Sub
Won't be intimidated by Cox, he's as soft as they come so Young might even 'out intimidate' him!!!
Couple things....
1. Motlop is injured and i think will be an out as well.
2. Young will NOT be intimidated in the ruck?? Really? He is the most timid 'ruck' i've seen since Robbie Warnock.
I would've preferred Marchbank to come in last week and given the extra intensity that the AFL has over VFL, and the extra intensity this game will have over a normal AFL game, i'm not sure its the right time for him.
Pittonet was supposedly BOG in the 2's, so should come in for Silvagni
For mine....
Cripps <> Walsh
Cerra <> Dow
Pittonet <> Silvagni
Martin <> Motlop
Binns <> Young (sub)
Cowan -> Sub
As much as he keeps ticking all the boxes, I don't think we should be giving Binns his first run in a game as big as this. HIs time will come, maybe even v St Kilda.
I think Dow stays in and Honey goes out.
Won't be intimidated by Cox, he's as soft as they come so Young might even 'out intimidate' him!!!
Cox might be soft, but he's still very much capable of putting a knee into the ribs of young and ending his day pretty quickly.
Go the other way and we can have Pittonet end Cox's day in a similar fashion. Won't need anyone to go with him if he is subbed out of the game. ;)
As much as he keeps ticking all the boxes, I don't think we should be giving Binns his first run in a game as big as this. HIs time will come, maybe even v St Kilda.
I think Dow stays in and Honey goes out.
Most of the 'supercoaches' (Pagan, Sheedy, Malthouse) were very much fans of giving a kid a go on the biggest stage first up. Gives them 5-10 games of experience from 1 game. Binns' confidence is sky high at present and if he wants to play AFL footy, prove it on the biggest stage.
With our returning mids, Dow doesn't get a look-in.....his pressure is very much below par too.
Honey, for all his limitations, had the highest number of pressure acts last week, and hit the scoreboard from VERY limited opportunities. Exactly the type of player/return we need against the Pies.
I've got mixed feelings about the ins and outs for this game. On the one hand, I can see the logic of the "don't flirt with form" argument, and we should pick the best 22 available. On the other hand, with the guaranteed outs, plus the players who are subject to test, I'd be tempted to leave them all out, including Charlie Curnow and Weitering, and just accept a loss, and keep the players fresh for the last 4, more winnable games.
Not a hope in the world we can bring Pit back this week. If there is one thing the pies are is lighting fast and just cant afford a player like Pit in the midfield mix IMO.
And losing Walsh's pace as well in a midfield that is already on the slow side was a major blow and can't compound that with being even slower again by bringing in a slow one dimensional ruckman that is only good for guarding space once the bounce is over.
Cox can at least go forward and be a target our man is useless in everything but the tap.
Not a hope in the world we can bring Pit back this week. If there is one thing the pies are is lighting fast and just cant afford a player like Pit in the midfield mix IMO.
And losing Walsh's pace as well in a midfield that is already on the slow side was a major blow and can't compound that with being even slower again by bringing in a slow one dimensional ruckman that is only good for guarding space once the bounce is over.
Cox can at least go forward and be a target our man is useless in everything but the tap.
We know your thoughts on Pittonet. So leaving that aside....
How do we get 2 key forwards and a ruckman out of TDK and Charlie? We need a 3rd option without Jack and Harry.
Teams under estimate players like Cox and Mihocek and this is part of the reason why the Pies have done so well. They stick in their lane and play within their limitations. Both are important pieces for Collingwood, Mihocek kicked four on Weitering last time and is that blue collar non traditional full forward who doesnt look much but is a real footballer who is team focussed rather than looking to be the next Coleman winner. Cox is no great ruckman or KP Forward but he is a hard to dominate against and thats where his value is, he also has that habit of taking big marks and kicking straight when it matters and is far from the bumbling idiot who first graced the MCG years ago. To be honest Id have more faith in Cox giving Collingwood something than I would Young giving us a solid game of football at the present time....his loss of form remains a mystery and in terms of softness he would be leading the Quilton medal.
My view is that it doesn't matter who is in or out but how much intent we bring to the game. I am assuming that Cripps, Cerra, Martin and Owies will be coming in with Silvagni, Walsh, Motlop, Dow and Honey going out. Young being the second ruckman. The one injury I am concerned with is Cincotta as we would need to replace him with Marchbank or Plowman which might unbalance our defence.
Congratulations to George Hewett on his 150th. May it be a game to remember.
I'd bring Binns in. It's all about run this week.
Teams under estimate players like Cox and Mihocek and this is part of the reason why the Pies have done so well. Cox is no great ruckman or KP Forward but he is a hard to dominate against and thats where his value is, he also has that habit of taking big marks and kicking straight when it matters and is far from the bumbling idiot who first graced the MCG years ago. To be honest Id have more faith in Cox giving Collingwood something than I would Young giving us a solid game of football at the present time....his loss of form remains a mystery and in terms of softness he would be leading the Quilton medal.
Who in our backline will stop a 211 cm giant from marking in the forward line??
195 Weitering?
192 Kemp?
191 McGovern?
202 Young?
Cox can do 2 things quite well.....mark and kick straight. He's not an instinctive footballer. Young spoils well. Neither are great ruckmen. By having Young 'tag' Cox you cover your lack of height down back AND your second ruck dilemma. TDK plays better as top dog and Pittonet's lack of speed will be shown up against the Pies. Play McGovern up forward as your second tall target.
Who in our backline will stop a 211 cm giant from marking in the forward line??
195 Weitering?
192 Kemp?
191 McGovern?
202 Young?
Cox can do 2 things quite well.....mark and kick straight. He's not an instinctive footballer. Young spoils well. Neither are great ruckmen. By having Young 'tag' Cox you cover your lack of height down back AND your second ruck dilemma. TDK plays better as top dog and Pittonet's lack of speed will be shown up against the Pies. Play McGovern up forward as your second tall target.
Got no doubt Young is the best matchup for Cox height wise and will probably start on him if he plays but given his recent form it's not a matchup Im confident about winning.
Don't mind McGovern going forward as I think we just can't leave Charlie as the only tall marking option.
There won't be easy crumbs against the Filth D50 who are all strongly built, agile and quick, plus they get at least one Daicos or Sidebottom for assistance.
Moore usually starts off by punching BigH in the side of the head, so I expect Charlie cops one like that early, sorry Ump I was just stretching to spoil! Reminds me of that day Warnock was ended by a Handbagger, a classic round arm spoil!
Where will we lose this one ??
At the selection table ...... nothing surer !!!
Who in our backline will stop a 211 cm giant from marking in the forward line??
195 Weitering?
192 Kemp?
191 McGovern?
202 Young?
Cox can do 2 things quite well.....mark and kick straight. He's not an instinctive footballer. Young spoils well. Neither are great ruckmen. By having Young 'tag' Cox you cover your lack of height down back AND your second ruck dilemma. TDK plays better as top dog and Pittonet's lack of speed will be shown up against the Pies. Play McGovern up forward as your second tall target.
Nobody has answered my question though.
Who plays 2nd key forward next to Charlie?
If Young is playing on Cox, when Cox is forward, TDK is in the ruck and Charlie is by himself up forward.
Playing Pitto allows TDK to play forward and give charlie a chopout.
You'd almost play both Young and Pitto as well as TDK and Charlie.
But if i was going to play just one of Young and Pitto, it'd be Pitto because that helps our forward line.
Think of it this way. If Charlie is our sole key forward, what would you do if you were Collingwood? Double/triple team him?!
Who will kick our goals otherwise??
To help drive that point home lets look at our top goal kickers for 2023.
1. Charlie - 61
2. McKay - 26 - injured
3. Owies - 17 - injured
4. Motlop - 16 - injured last week
5. Silvagni - 14 - injured
6. Durdin - 10 - injured
7. Cerra - 8 - Didn't play last week coming back from injury
8. Cottrell - 6
=9. Martin - 5 - Didn't play last week coming back from injury
=9. Cripps - 5 - Didn't play last week coming back from injury
=9. Docherty - 5
Thats our top 12 goalkickers for the year, 5 are not playing and 3 are a test.
We need TDK to play forward.
Thus, we need Pitto to play ruck.
Young vs Cox is another debate.
Nobody has answered my question though.
Who plays 2nd key forward next to Charlie?
If Young is playing on Cox, when Cox is forward, TDK is in the ruck and Charlie is by himself up forward.
Kemp....they won't be expecting that. ;) ;D
He plays the Silvagni role.
I'd bring Binns in. It's all about run this week.
They'll slaughter a first gamer.
Kemp....they won't be expecting that. ;) ;D
He plays the Silvagni role.
I think Kemp is =25th on our goal kicking list for 2023 with a grand total of 1 goal.
Yep. Wouldn't be expecting it, sure.
Not sure it'll actually help though. ;)
They'll slaughter a first gamer.
Yep....look who goes through the wings for the Pies. I would have played Binns vs West Coast and given him a confidence building game.
Nobody has answered my question though.
Who plays 2nd key forward next to Charlie?
If Young is playing on Cox, when Cox is forward, TDK is in the ruck and Charlie is by himself up forward.
Playing Pitto allows TDK to play forward and give charlie a chopout.
You'd almost play both Young and Pitto as well as TDK and Charlie.
But if i was going to play just one of Young and Pitto, it'd be Pitto because that helps our forward line.
Think of it this way. If Charlie is our sole key forward, what would you do if you were Collingwood? Double/triple team him?!
Who will kick our goals otherwise??
To help drive that point home lets look at our top goal kickers for 2023.
1. Charlie - 61
2. McKay - 26 - injured
3. Owies - 17 - injured
4. Motlop - 16 - injured last week
5. Silvagni - 14 - injured
6. Durdin - 10 - injured
7. Cerra - 8 - Didn't play last week coming back from injury
8. Cottrell - 6
=9. Martin - 5 - Didn't play last week coming back from injury
=9. Cripps - 5 - Didn't play last week coming back from injury
=9. Docherty - 5
Thats our top 12 goalkickers for the year, 5 are not playing and 3 are a test.
We need TDK to play forward.
Thus, we need Pitto to play ruck.
Young vs Cox is another debate.
McGovern ...
I'd be playing Pitto this week and letting TDK play a bit more forward....which sounds strange given how good his last few weeks have been. But with no other tall forwards, it'll allow Pies to double team Charlie with Moore and Howe making it pretty tough for us to find some scoring options.
Cripps is touch and go unfortunately.
But you never know.
I think Kemp is =25th on our goal kicking list for 2023 with a grand total of 1 goal.
Yep. Wouldn't be expecting it, sure.
Not sure it'll actually help though. ;)
Opportunities??
12th in the whole AFL for average marks per game.
At the very least he would require a minder and take a bit of attention away from Curnow...and maybe have a bearing on Moore's intercept marking.
Leaders have got to lead.
If Charlie is solo, then Cripps or Weiters can float forward!
Yep....look who goes through the wings for the Pies. I would have played Binns vs West Coast and given him a confidence building game.
Exactly, need easier games to blood kids. Teams like Coll have the luxury of blooding kids irrespective of who they play as they are top of the ladder.
Opportunities??
12th in the whole AFL for average marks per game.
At the very least he would require a minder and take a bit of attention away from Curnow...and maybe have a bearing on Moore's intercept marking.
Talk about opportunities, why not let TDK get the opportunity to prove he is a legitimate key forward option?
As for Kemp and/or McGovern as options forward, we are weakening a very good defence to do that.....and playing into the pies hands in doing so.
Its also a wild card option worth keeping up my sleeve for finals should we need it.
Pies with 3-4 players suffering with a virus, reckon there will be a couple of changes to last weeks team.
My tip is Hill who I believe is the worst affected with sickness will be replaced by Ginnivan....
Josh Daicos is meant to be sick as well so I hope he gives it to Nick and both dont play....
Pies with 3-4 players suffering with a virus, reckon there will be a couple of changes to last weeks team.
My tip is Hill who I believe is the worst affected with sickness will be replaced by Ginnivan....
Josh Daicos is meant to be sick as well so I hope he gives it to Nick and both dont play....
https://www.afl.com.au/news/987229/pies-rule-out-role-change-for-integral-mid-key-trio-miss-training
Josh Daicos, Bobby Hill and Isaac Quaynor all missed the Magpies' main training session on Wednesday through illness but the trio are not considered in any doubt to face the Blues.
Pittonet looked a little sore after landing from one ruck contest towards the end of last weeks VFL game.
It may have just been a momentary thing.
There's been no mention of him aggravating his injury.
He'll probably be selected but wait and see if he lines up.
Concerned forward line is going to be a little short this week.
Maybe give Marchbank a run in the forward line.
Concerned forward line is going to be a little short this week.
Maybe give Marchbank a run in the forward line.
Problem is the Collingwood rebound run from the backline, Marchbank couldnt run out of sight on a dark night from what I saw a couple of weeks ago in the VFL and Im not sure this is the game you would want to bring him in cold without any senior footy.
My preference is McGovern who can take a mark but also has enough pace to put some defensive pressure on plus by leading up the ground at times he can also drag his man away from Charlie too.
In Jacks absence and if Cripps is fit to play I would also be wanting some forward time from him too, pity we dont have Kennedy as well to do the same.
The other main option of course is to pick Pittonet and have TDK resting forward when not in the ruck but as has been discussed in depth on the forum its not always that simple playing two ruckman who do better as the primary ruckman but have little impact down forward a lot of the time. While Jack didnt have a great game vs Collingwood last time I think he will be really missed as he was struggling for form back then but in recent weeks has peaked at the right time and was giving us plenty and its a real shame he wont be playing.
I think Kemp is =25th on our goal kicking list for 2023 with a grand total of 1 goal.
Yep. Wouldn't be expecting it, sure.
Not sure it'll actually help though. ;)
I remember Nick Duigan from 2013. I know ninthmond we’re not expecting him to play but when we were saw him on the ground no one would have expected Nick to be a multiple goal kicker
Problem is the Collingwood rebound run from the backline, Marchbank couldnt run out of sight on a dark night from what I saw a couple of weeks ago in the VFL and Im not sure this is the game you would want to bring him in cold without any senior footy.
My preference is McGovern who can take a mark but also has enough pace to put some defensive pressure on plus by leading up the ground at times he can also drag his man away from Charlie too.
In Jacks absence and if Cripps is fit to play I would also be wanting some forward time from him too, pity we dont have Kennedy as well to do the same.
The other main option of course is to pick Pittonet and have TDK resting forward when not in the ruck but as has been discussed in depth on the forum its not always that simple playing two ruckman who do better as the primary ruckman but have little impact down forward a lot of the time. While Jack didnt have a great game vs Collingwood last time I think he will be really missed as he was struggling for form back then but in recent weeks has peaked at the right time and was giving us plenty and its a real shame he wont be playing.
Yep mcgovern forward is the right move.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/987229/pies-rule-out-role-change-for-integral-mid-key-trio-miss-training
What’s the bet they play. This mob has a habit of saying the flu is ripping thru the place prior to playing a big game.
Funny thing is it seems to clear up real quick and they mostly all play.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they are just rotating players having a session off but use it as a tactic saying the club is fighting the flu.
Don’t trust the pr1cks
What’s the bet they play. This mob has a habit of saying the flu is ripping thru the place prior to playing a big game.
Funny thing is it seems to clear up real quick and they mostly all play.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they are just rotating players having a session off but use it as a tactic saying the club is fighting the flu.
Don’t trust the pr1cks
100% they are just resting players during the week.
What’s the bet they play. This mob has a habit of saying the flu is ripping thru the place prior to playing a big game.
Funny thing is it seems to clear up real quick and they mostly all play.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they are just rotating players having a session off but use it as a tactic saying the club is fighting the flu.
Don’t trust the pr1cks
They said exactly the same thing about De Goey before the Port game. No way those three players miss.
After Jack went off, our forward line against the Eagles was generally six of Charlie, Ed, Motlop, Honey, Cottrell, Cuningham and Fogarty. The likes of Moore, Murphy, Howe, Maynard and Quaynor would be licking their lips at the prospect of exploiting such an undersized lack of firepower.
We have to lock the ball in our forward line for long periods to be competitive against Collingwood and that requires a mix of tall and small forwards to compete in the air and on the ground as well as providing defensive pressure when Collingwood gets possession.
Jack Martin, if fit, will help with his footy nous and ability to pluck a mark. I’d bring Owies in too, if he’s fit. That leaves us still to find a CHF and a third tall to keep Murphy and Howe honest.
De Koning can be a forward threat when he’s not rucking but his potential ruck partners aren’t much chop. Pitto is clearly our next best ruckman but he could be a liability as a third tall, as he would be if asked to do most of the ruckwork. Young could be a better option as the third tall forward but his ruckwork is average and he may be required to play defence on Cox.
I would play Hudson O’Keeffe. He is still developing his craft but he can clunk a mark in a pack or on the lead. That still leaves us without a CHF.
Lemmey probably isn’t up to it at this stage of his development but he’s worth considering. That leaves us with McGovern and Kemp; both of whom are essential cogs in our defensive machine. Marchbank’s form in the VFL suggests that he could be an adequate replacement.
McGovern was lost when shifted forward earlier in the season, as was Young. Gov has never really been a success as a forward and I would be reluctant to rely on him. That leaves Kemp, the under 18 All Australian full forward.
I think that playing in defence suits Kemp’s ability to read the play and get into intercept positions. However, his marking and foot speed will trouble any of Collingwood’s defenders and will ease the pressure on Charlie.
My forward line would be Charlie, Kemp, Martin, Owies, Cuningham/Fogarty with O’Keeffe as third tall and ruck.
The MC will go with De Koning and Pitto sharing ruck and CHF.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/patrick-cripps-a-confirmed-starter-for-blues-in-pies-blockbuster-20230727-p5drnc.html
For the people who don't have a subscription:
Blues skipper Patrick Cripps will play in Friday night’s blockbuster against Collingwood, despite missing Carlton’s main training session on Thursday morning.
Cripps missed last Saturday’s match with West Coast due to a corked hamstring, and while coach Michael Voss was hopeful the reigning Brownlow medallist would improve in time for Friday night’s meeting with the Magpies, Cripps was a notable absentee from training at Ikon Park on Thursday morning.
But Voss, speaking at his weekly press conference on Thursday, confirmed Cripps would lead the team in the highly anticipated game against their rivals.
Adam Cerra will also play after overcoming hamstring tightness. He was left out of the side that beat West Coast on Saturday, but was on the track on Thursday in a bid to prove his fitness.
Jesse Motlop, who played against the Eagles but finished the match on the bench with a calf concern, also trained on Thursday.
The Blues will be without Sam Walsh (hamstring) and Jack Silvagni (knee), while Harry McKay (knee) is out longer-term.
Collingwood boast the healthiest list in the competition at the moment, after Will Hoskin-Elliott overcame a broken hand to mark himself available for selection this week.
Fin Macrae (thumb injury) is the only Magpie on their injury list, but the young midfielder has not played a senior game in 2023.
Magpies coach Craig McRae says he has some tough selection decisions to make in the run to finals given their mass availability.
Friday night’s match at the MCG is sold out. Carlton sit ninth on the ladder after winning their past five matches, all with margins exceeding 50 points, while the Magpies sit atop the AFL ladder, having lost just two matches this season.
The Pies seem to have everything in their favour at the moment. Top of the ladder, and one measly injury to a young, and currently fringe player. Hard life for some.
In addition to the article posted by rocky, on SEN they mention that Pittonet is "an automatic in". Not sure why the peculiar phrasing, but anyway......
Hopefully all are 100%, because those three are vital and excellent additions. It looks like the club is going in to win - no resting of players that I can see.
In addition to the article posted by rocky, on SEN they mention that Pittonet is "an automatic in". Not sure why the peculiar phrasing, but anyway......
Hopefully all are 100%, because those three are vital and excellent additions. It looks like the club is going in to win - no resting of players that I can see.
And that's how it has to be. We have considerable momentum and resting players for a game against a formidable opponent could jeopardise that. A competitive loss against the top team won't do much damage but giving up would.
If we can get the right combination on the park and play the game on our terms, we're in with a very good chance.
And that's how it has to be. We have considerable momentum and resting players for a game against a formidable opponent could jeopardise that. A competitive loss against the top team won't do much damage but giving up would......................
I guess the flip side is the approach taken in recent seasons by Geelong, who in order to go deep in finals, were well known to rest players. I can see merit in both approaches.
I saw no mention on Martin anywhere?
I saw no mention on Martin anywhere?
Passed fit to play...
The Pies seem to have everything in their favour at the moment. Top of the ladder, and one measly injury to a young, and currently fringe player. Hard life for some.
We've seen this very phenomenon in recent times. Cue Tigers + flags.
I guess the flip side is the approach taken in recent seasons by Geelong, who in order to go deep in finals, were well known to rest players. I can see merit in both approaches.
But Geelong were whupping most other teams and were certain of a final eight finish.
But Geelong were whupping most other teams and were certain of a final eight finish.
Yep, experienced and battle hardened, they knew what to do and when to do it... Our blokes are not there yet, they need to keep their noses to the grindstone.
i said it last time coll attack starts from there defense ,so we need our fwds to apply 110% PRESSURE there backs
We've seen this very phenomenon in recent times. Cue Tigers + flags.
The one possible weakness in this comparison is that it's only July.....
Plenty of time for the wheels to come off yet. Look at us, it only takes one or two bad weeks injury-wise for the clouds to start gathering.
The one downside to having a full list to choose from is that when the injuries do come, you are having to select replacement players that haven't played senior footy for some time.
Collingwood have become so used to using their get out of jail card now. It would no doubt unsettle them no end if this suddenly failed to work for them. Doubts could plague them very quickly. I'd love it if we could sow those doubts! >:D
Collingwood have become so used to using their get out of jail card now. It would no doubt unsettle them no end if this suddenly failed to work for them. Doubts could plague them very quickly. I'd love it if we could sow those doubts! >:D
There will certainly come a time when they go 5 goals down and it stays that way.
Trick is not being spooked into believing they will catch you (remember us in Rd 23 last year?). When you get 5 goals up, kick the next one and then the one after that.
Collingwood owns a factory that manufactures get out of jail free cards, and a direct line to Harry Houdini. I couldn't believe the Port game where they had 3 shots from the boundary (2 Elliott, 1 Daicos) and all three went through, and they win by 2 points. The chances of that happening in dry weather are not great, and when you look at the weather that night......
Regardless of what we say or think of them, Pies winning performances over the last 2 years have been nothing short of extraordinary. They seem to find a way to win and without a real recognised gun tall forward. They are the epitome of a "team effort" side, albeit with Nick Daicos elevating himself to superstar status in just over 18 months of footy. We had two very good chances to beat them last year, including coughing up the last 4 goals in the last game of last season....and failed both times.
A win tomorrow without the like of Silvagni, Kennedy, Walsh and whoever else misses out would be one for the ages.
They have 2 losses and about the same percentage as we did in 1995. Most of their wins this year have been comprehensive.
The one possible weakness in this comparison is that it's only July.....
Plenty of time for the wheels to come off yet. Look at us, it only takes one or two bad weeks injury-wise for the clouds to start gathering.
The one downside to having a full list to choose from is that when the injuries do come, you are having to select replacement players that haven't played senior footy for some time.
Fair call. Injuries can happen at any time. I'd add that the Pies had injuries earlier this year and have recovered completely. They also have depth affording lots of flexibility and opportunities to lighten loads.
Cripps Cerra Martin Pitto in
4 omitted not sure who
IN
Adam Cerra,
Caleb Marchbank,
Jack Martin,
Marc Pittonet,
Matthew Owies,
Patrick Cripps
OUT
Ed Curnow (Omitted),
Jack Silvagni (Injured),
Josh Honey (Omitted),
Lachlan Cowan (Omitted),
Lewis Young (Sub),
Paddy Dow (Omitted),
Sam Walsh (Injured)
Out
Ed
Honey
*Cowan
*Dow
*Young
*Emergencies
*Fisher
IN
Adam Cerra,
Caleb Marchbank,
Jack Martin,
Marc Pittonet,
Matthew Owies,
Patrick Cripps
OUT
Ed Curnow (Omitted),
Jack Silvagni (Injured),
Josh Honey (Omitted),
Lachlan Cowan (Omitted),
Lewis Young (Sub),
Paddy Dow (Omitted),
Sam Walsh (Injured)
Looks like Kemp or McGovern will play forward.
Pretty good team under circumstances.
Looks like Kemp or McGovern will play forward.
Agree, might be McGovern imho, we might get a bit stretched for size down back if they play McStay, Cox and Mihocek together so Marchbank might be in for that reason.......Id also expect Ginnivan to be the replacement for Hill rather than Markov who has nominally come into the selected 22.
What’s the bet they play. This mob has a habit of saying the flu is ripping thru the place prior to playing a big game.
Funny thing is it seems to clear up real quick and they mostly all play.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they are just rotating players having a session off but use it as a tactic saying the club is fighting the flu.
Don’t trust the pr1cks
The only out is Bobby Hill.
They have 2 losses and about the same percentage as we did in 1995. Most of their wins this year have been comprehensive.
I guess to an extent that's true. But in that mix are also 4 games won by less than a goal, three games won by about 2 goals, a 4 point loss and a 33 point loss. You can't argue with their W/L, but IMO you also can't argue with the luck aspect either. I'm not suggesting they're cr@p by any means, but they are more gettable than the hype would suggest. There's an article I was reading earlier today (for the life of me I can't find it now) that was quoting some very average numbers in some of their statistical indicators.
I guess to an extent that's true. But in that mix are also 4 games won by less than a goal, three games won by about 2 goals, a 4 point loss and a 33 point loss. You can't argue with their W/L, but IMO you also can't argue with the luck aspect either. I'm not suggesting they're cr@p by any means, but they are more gettable than the hype would suggest. There's an article I was reading earlier today (for the life of me I can't find it now) that was quoting some very average numbers in some of their statistical indicators.
They always trail and chase games - defence needs to be on their game and I'm sure they would.
I guess to an extent that's true. But in that mix are also 4 games won by less than a goal, three games won by about 2 goals, a 4 point loss and a 33 point loss. You can't argue with their W/L, but IMO you also can't argue with the luck aspect either. I'm not suggesting they're cr@p by any means, but they are more gettable than the hype would suggest. There's an article I was reading earlier today (for the life of me I can't find it now) that was quoting some very average numbers in some of their statistical indicators.
I agree Paul and particularly in this season of contrary results.
Logic suggests that they’ll chalk up another win, but they’re far from invincible. Even without Walsh, McKay and Silvagni, we’ve got a 22 that is capable of curbing their stars and exploiting their second tier players.
A lot will depend on our forward line. McGovern might be the popular choice to go forward but I hope that we use Kemp. He has the skill set to make life very difficult for any of the Collingwood defenders.
It should be a fascinating contest and I’m looking forward to seeing how we go about it.
We have a solid team named assuming there are no late outs, if we bring what we have brought the last 5 weeks we are a chance. It will be the hardest game we will play and a true test against the best. I noticed the Filth were doing scenario training complete with a scoreboard and time clock. Perhaps they are expecting a tight tussle, either way I hope we don't undo all the hard work of the last several weeks and put in a crap performance.
Go Blues.
Collingwood have become so used to using their get out of jail card now.
Exhibit A: Joffa.
We have a solid team named assuming there are no late outs, if we bring what we have brought the last 5 weeks we are a chance. It will be the hardest game we will play and a true test against the best. I noticed the Filth were doing scenario training complete with a scoreboard and time clock. Perhaps they are expecting a tight tussle, either way I hope we don't undo all the hard work of the last several weeks and put in a crap performance.
Go Blues.
They do that last 2min scenario every week and also do a weird drill where they use only the one side of their body(non preferred) even marking the ball one handed and kicking only on their non preferred leg too.
I could see Kemp being a good match up for Elliot.....Elliot is good overhead and quick.
They do that last 2min scenario every week and also do a weird drill where they use only the one side of their body(non preferred) even marking the ball one handed and kicking only on their non preferred leg too.
Thats not weird, that's smart.
I could see Kemp being a good match up for Elliot.....Elliot is good overhead and quick.
So who covers Mihohek, Cox and McStay??
So who covers Mihohek, Cox and McStay??
There lies the difference IMO. Their depth and experience playing together v our developing depth and injury list.
Go Blues
The only out is Bobby Hill.
Yep - they do it too often.
I didn’t think we had a chance but looking at the side in apart from Walsh, Harry and maybe Jack it’s pretty much the best team we can field. No one ever has no injuries so have 3 who can’t play is not an excuse imo.
We have everything to play for and they are sitting clear and a loss to them pretty much means nothing.
Odds have pies very short favs im not so sure. Will be disappointed if we are not within 3-4 goals of them if we happen to lose
Its been a very tough time during this rebuild as a blue boy - time our club gave us something to really celebrate.
Blues by 10.
Make no mistake that Collingwood is ready for this challenge. They are not stupid to be complacent and expecting an easy victory. They have speed, class, and know how to win games. They know how to turn on the heat when it is needed and close all your scoring opportunities down. Then waiting for the turn over, to go coast to coast, and punish you on the scoreboard the other way. They run hard both ways in numbers. They know all of our weaknesses. They will target that with intensity and pressure. I seriously can’t see us winning. If we get within a goal of them, then I will be extremely happy. I think at this point in time we will probably fall short be 15 to 25 points. I really hope it isn’t worse than that. I hope this game isn’t a reality check for our squad. It could be a confidence killer. Let’s just hope for a great result. Charlie won’t kick 10 for sure. We need to find many other scoring options.
Interesting bench: Marchbank (backman) Cincotta (backman) Cottrell (winger) Motlop (small forward) No mid field rotation on the bench. Prepare for at least 1 late minute change.
Interesting bench: Marchbank (backman) Cincotta (backman) Cottrell (winger) Motlop (small forward) No mid field rotation on the bench. Prepare for at least 1 late minute change.
Fogs and Cunners attend centre bounces from time to time.
Interesting bench: Marchbank (backman) Cincotta (backman) Cottrell (winger) Motlop (small forward) No mid field rotation on the bench. Prepare for at least 1 late minute change.
Last week our midfield didn't have Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy and Walsh (for most of the game) and we still managed with backups of Hewitt, Docherty, Ed and some rotations of Fogs, Cunners and Dow.
But we didn't play a team like Collingwood
Last week our midfield didn't have Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy and Walsh (for most of the game) and we still managed with backups of Hewitt, Docherty, Ed and some rotations of Fogs, Cunners and Dow.
Ed spent most of the game as a forward but Dow was heavily involved as a midfielder.
Basically, we have replaced:
Walsh with Cripps
Dow with Cerra
Silvagni with Pittonet
Ed Curnow with Owies
Honey with Martin
Cowan with Marchbank
That’s more or less like for like, but it will be interesting to see how we actually line up as opposed to the fiction that is the named team.
I wonder if much thought goes into the Thursday arvo lineups or are they completely random 🤔
Their fast running transition from defensive 50 through the corridor and into their 50 gets them a big percentage of their scores and is streaks ahead of any club in the comp.
The likes of noble quanar both dacios brothers are all very quick and really hope Voss has a plan to slow them in that part of the gameplan.
Some of our kids as well as who have leg speed with need to play very important roles tonight
If we can make it a contested hard stoppage game while it won’t look as pretty think it’s our best chance over a shoot out with this mob.
In the last 2 games we have played them, inaccurate kicking has cost us. We seem to have been able to compete well against them, but lost with our kicking for goal. I think we can do a lot better this time.
I've no idea what's going to happen tonight...but I suspect we will learn more about our side, and just where we are at in terms of the season in this game than we have in the previous five weeks.
This is the 'real' test.
For that reason I'm really looking forward to it.
I don't think I want us to be three or four goals up at three quarter time...my heart couldn't stand it.
Level pegging or a few points behind, and then let's see.
I'd love us to roll over the top of them...it would put a dent in that 'last quarter' mystique.
"What's better than beating Collingwood by 10 goals?
Beating them by five points"...
George Harris, Carlton President in 1979 ;) :D
I've no idea what's going to happen tonight...but I suspect we will learn more about our side, and just where we are at in terms of the season in this game than we have in the previous five weeks.
I don't think I want us to be three or four goals up at three quarter time...my heart couldn't stand it.
Level pegging or a few points behind, and then let's see.
I'd love us to roll over the top of them...it would put a dent in that 'last quarter' mystique.
I think our only chance is if we do get a bit of a lead. We're not a great last quarter side, and they are the absolute best.
I think our only chance is if we do get a bit of a lead. We're not a great last quarter side, and they are the absolute best.
The problem is it would have to be a large lead.
Around 4-5 goals is when they get into other side's heads.
Just on the team selections...I'd be really surprised if all those injured actually make it onto the field.
The problem is it would have to be a large lead.
Around 4-5 goals is when they get into other side's heads.
Just on the team selections...I'd be really surprised if all those injured actually make it onto the field.
Agree...reckon there might be a change or two on both teams.
I think a very good start and some Charlie action early can set us up for Victory. Pies are just way too cocky and the media are treating us like warm up material for them and its getting annoying.
Blues by 15 points holding firm in the last quarter and Pies players spitting the dummy.
I've no idea what's going to happen tonight...but I suspect we will learn more about our side, and just where we are at in terms of the season in this game than we have in the previous five weeks.
This is the 'real' test.....................................
I think Port in Adelaide was a pretty real test. They had an amazing winning streak, home ground advantage, top 2 team etc.
I think Port in Adelaide was a pretty real test. They had an amazing winning streak, home ground advantage, top 2 team etc.
And a lot of players out.
And a bit of arrogance...they were ripe.
Lead or not at 3/4 time, we'll need a few boys up and running and full of confidence to ride it out.
If Charlie is feeling it like he was last week, then doesn't matter what Pies do, they won't be able to stop him.
If however he has largely been kept out of the game up to that point, that may be all they need.
He is a game changer and we need him up and about.....especially without Harry and even Jack (off his 4 goal haul) we'll struggle to hold our own.
No late changes.
Dow the sub
No late changes.
Dow the sub
Surprising, but good news.
Strap in folks.
Congratulations to George 🙌
Go Blues
The Pies get so much of their aura from the fact that they keep getting up off the floor when it looks like they are cooked.
But, in all of those games, they did actually end up a fair way behind. Therein lies the opportunity. There will come a time when they get behind and cannot get back. They are far from invincible, and are probably due to have a flat one after last week's massive game.
Having said that, I don't think we can get them this week. Timing is just not right yet.
So I was wrong!
So the blueprint against the Daicos twins is inside physicality, and they do not like it, they are the children of the wide open spaces!
So the blueprint against the Daicos twins is inside physicality, and they do not like it, they are the children of the wide open spaces!
I thought they handled it ok and got a fair bit of ball , Pies got let down by their second tier players like Adams, Sidebottom, Crisp etc who were non events. Daicos kids got a fair bit of treatment today as they did last week but were still in the Pies better players imo..