AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

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Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #60 – July 24, 2023, 10:07:10 pm

Outs Walsh SOS Mots Young
In Cripps Cerra Martin or Owies (prefer the former) Pitto
Game On!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #61 – July 24, 2023, 10:07:42 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 24, 2023, 10:05:30 pm

There is no way in hell any team would be stupid enough, not even the Filth, to go down that track after the Cheats FC fiasco.

Even though I think it is unlikely, I would never say never, a degree of arrogance is a trait of elite sport!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #62 – July 24, 2023, 10:35:36 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 24, 2023, 10:05:30 pm

There is no way in hell any team would be stupid enough, not even the Filth, to go down that track after the Cheats FC fiasco.

And they’ve had their share of injuries.

They have an abundance of genuine talent on their list and plenty of role players who can more than adequately cover the absence of suspended/injured players.

They have simply built on the solid foundation established last season.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #63 – July 25, 2023, 05:21:26 am

Quote from: shawny – on July 24, 2023, 10:02:11 pm

I’m telling ya those pies are up to no good. How is it possible they are so fit so strong so fast and no injuries. From a shambles the last few years of Buckleys reign now all of sudden they are all on a level that’s not matched by anyone.

ASADA needs to investigate these pr1cks.

It's their skills that have been separating them from the rest.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #64 – July 25, 2023, 04:38:07 pm

Hear me out!!

In Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Marchbank, Young
Out Silvagni, Walsh, E Curnow, Cowan, Honey

Kemp Weitering Saad
Newman Marchbank Cincotta
Acres    Cripps Holland
Cunners    McGovern Martin
Fogarty    Curnow Motlop

DeKoning Cerra   Docherty

Young, Hewett, Dow, Cotterell.

Mihoctek v Weitering
McStay v Kemp
Young v Cox both are one dimensional, no good below their knees, not physical. Young knows how to spoil and wont be intimidated in the ruck. Just go everywhere with Cox...in the ruck, down forward, to the dunny everywhere.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #65 – July 25, 2023, 04:52:02 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling – on July 25, 2023, 04:38:07 pm

Hear me out!!

In Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Marchbank, Young
Out Silvagni, Walsh, E Curnow, Cowan, Honey

Kemp Weitering Saad
Newman Marchbank Cincotta
Acres    Cripps Holland
Cunners    McGovern Martin
Fogarty    Curnow Motlop

DeKoning Cerra   Docherty

Young, Hewett, Dow, Cotterell.

Mihoctek v Weitering
McStay v Kemp
Young v Cox both are one dimensional, no good below their knees, not physical. Young knows how to spoil and wont be intimidated in the ruck. Just go everywhere with Cox...in the ruck, down forward, to the dunny everywhere.

Couple things....

1. Motlop is injured and i think will be an out as well.
2. Young will NOT be intimidated in the ruck?? Really? He is the most timid 'ruck' i've seen since Robbie Warnock.

I would've preferred Marchbank to come in last week and given the extra intensity that the AFL has over VFL, and the extra intensity this game will have over a normal AFL game, i'm not sure its the right time for him.

Pittonet was supposedly BOG in the 2's, so should come in for Silvagni

For mine....
Cripps <> Walsh
Cerra <> Dow
Pittonet <> Silvagni
Martin <> Motlop
Binns <> Young (sub)
Cowan -> Sub

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #66 – July 25, 2023, 05:03:18 pm

Won't be intimidated by Cox, he's as soft as they come so Young might even 'out intimidate' him!!!

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #67 – July 25, 2023, 05:06:21 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on July 25, 2023, 04:52:02 pm

Couple things....

1. Motlop is injured and i think will be an out as well.
2. Young will NOT be intimidated in the ruck?? Really? He is the most timid 'ruck' i've seen since Robbie Warnock.

I would've preferred Marchbank to come in last week and given the extra intensity that the AFL has over VFL, and the extra intensity this game will have over a normal AFL game, i'm not sure its the right time for him.

Pittonet was supposedly BOG in the 2's, so should come in for Silvagni

For mine....
Cripps <> Walsh
Cerra <> Dow
Pittonet <> Silvagni
Martin <> Motlop
Binns <> Young (sub)
Cowan -> Sub

As much as he keeps ticking all the boxes, I don't think we should be giving Binns his first run in a game as big as this. HIs time will come, maybe even v St Kilda.

I think Dow stays in and Honey goes out.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #68 – July 25, 2023, 05:07:12 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling – on July 25, 2023, 05:03:18 pm

Won't be intimidated by Cox, he's as soft as they come so Young might even 'out intimidate' him!!!

Cox might be soft, but he's still very much capable of putting a knee into the ribs of young and ending his day pretty quickly.

Go the other way and we can have Pittonet end Cox's day in a similar fashion. Won't need anyone to go with him if he is subbed out of the game.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #69 – July 25, 2023, 05:10:42 pm

Quote from: tonyo – on July 25, 2023, 05:06:21 pm

As much as he keeps ticking all the boxes, I don't think we should be giving Binns his first run in a game as big as this. HIs time will come, maybe even v St Kilda.

I think Dow stays in and Honey goes out.

Most of the 'supercoaches' (Pagan, Sheedy, Malthouse) were very much fans of giving a kid a go on the biggest stage first up. Gives them 5-10 games of experience from 1 game. Binns' confidence is sky high at present and if he wants to play AFL footy, prove it on the biggest stage.

With our returning mids, Dow doesn't get a look-in.....his pressure is very much below par too.
Honey, for all his limitations, had the highest number of pressure acts last week, and hit the scoreboard from VERY limited opportunities. Exactly the type of player/return we need against the Pies.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #70 – July 25, 2023, 05:19:21 pm

I've got mixed feelings about the ins and outs for this game. On the one hand, I can see the logic of the "don't flirt with form" argument, and we should pick the best 22 available. On the other hand, with the guaranteed outs, plus the players who are subject to test, I'd be tempted to leave them all out, including Charlie Curnow and Weitering, and just accept a loss, and keep the players fresh for the last 4, more winnable games.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #71 – July 25, 2023, 06:21:23 pm

Not a hope in the world we can bring Pit back this week. If there is one thing the pies are is lighting fast and just cant afford a player like Pit in the midfield mix IMO.

And losing Walsh's pace as well in a midfield that is already on the slow side was a major blow and can't compound that with being even slower again by bringing in a slow one dimensional ruckman that is only good for guarding space once the bounce is over.

Cox can at least go forward and be a target our man is useless in everything but the tap.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #72 – July 25, 2023, 06:33:42 pm

Quote from: shawny – on July 25, 2023, 06:21:23 pm

Not a hope in the world we can bring Pit back this week. If there is one thing the pies are is lighting fast and just cant afford a player like Pit in the midfield mix IMO.

And losing Walsh's pace as well in a midfield that is already on the slow side was a major blow and can't compound that with being even slower again by bringing in a slow one dimensional ruckman that is only good for guarding space once the bounce is over.

Cox can at least go forward and be a target our man is useless in everything but the tap.

We know your thoughts on Pittonet. So leaving that aside....

How do we get 2 key forwards and a ruckman out of TDK and Charlie? We need a 3rd option without Jack and Harry.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #73 – July 25, 2023, 06:35:38 pm

Teams under estimate players like Cox and Mihocek and this is part of the reason why the Pies have done so well. They stick in their lane and play within their limitations. Both are important pieces for Collingwood, Mihocek kicked four on Weitering last time and is that blue collar non traditional full forward who doesnt look much but is a real footballer who is team focussed rather than looking to be the next Coleman winner. Cox is no great ruckman or KP Forward but he is a hard to dominate against and thats where his value is, he also has that habit of taking big marks and kicking straight when it matters and is far from the bumbling idiot who first graced the MCG years ago. To be honest Id have more faith in Cox giving Collingwood something than I would Young giving us a solid game of football at the present time....his loss of form remains a mystery and in terms of softness he would be leading the Quilton medal.

Re: AFL Rd 20 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #74 – July 25, 2023, 06:38:34 pm

My view is that it doesn't matter who is in or out but how much intent we bring to the game. I am assuming that Cripps, Cerra, Martin and Owies will be coming in with Silvagni, Walsh, Motlop, Dow and Honey going out. Young being the second ruckman. The one injury I am concerned with is Cincotta as we would need to replace him with Marchbank or Plowman which might unbalance our defence.