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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #180 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Sorry, but when you see fans lash out, and abuse players for being soft, lazy, not earning their pay, being lifestyle footy players, not playing for the jumper, stealing the fans money etc. that's hurtful, and abusive.

Hurtful?  Then they'll have to live with it as thousands of players have before.  It's not a church social.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #181 –
Quote from: capcom on
Hurtful?  Then they'll have to live with it as thousands of players have before.  It's not a church social.

it's also not 1973.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #182 –
Quote from: PaulP on
A Readers Digest version of the Carlton Supporters Club. Nothing new, nothing useful. Just regurgitating what the fans want to hear.

What the hell are we supposed to make of trash like this :

"Because as much as this club breaks our hearts, we love it and that’s why we get so angry at times and lash out."

Exactly the same argument used by wife abusers.

Rubbish journalism.

Woah, there Pauly. A love of your footy club, plus passion plus massive disappointment sees the best of us hit the keyboard... but that's the only hitting we do. The passionate among us are prone to wearing our hearts on our sleeves... but it's a massive leap from there to spousal abuse, verbal or physical.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #183 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Woah, there Pauly. A love of your footy club, plus passion plus massive disappointment sees the best of us hit the keyboard... but that's the only hitting we do. The passionate among us are prone to wearing our hearts on our sleeves... but it's a massive leap from there to spousal abuse, verbal or physical.

The connection between loving someone / something and lashing out, and using the former as an excuse for the latter, puts you on a very slippery slope IMO.

Caring, in all its manifestations, is a process of delineation, a process of separating what is acceptable from what is not. Not caring is the precisely the absence of delineation (everything is ok, nothing is unacceptable / off limits). With football, you can (subjectively IMO) identify acceptable or unacceptable levels of effort, skill etc. and that's fine. But unchecked emotions that spill over tend to cause more problems than they solve IMO.

If you read the article I linked, Teague makes it clear that he is not a fan of "make a statement" selection manoeuvres, and I applaud him. 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #184 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Teague said in his presser today that if there are two players performing at the same level vying for the same position, he will always play the kid or younger of the two. He was referring to Eddie being played and whether he was comfortable telling him time up. Teague said he is, so is Eddie, as soon as someone else "puts their hand up", they are in.

What more does Owies need to do?
What happened to my old profile?????

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #185 –
Quote from: blueday on
What more does Owies need to do?
He didn't do much last week, but I get your point.
2017-16th
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2019-16th
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2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #186 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Woah, there Pauly. A love of your footy club, plus passion plus massive disappointment sees the best of us hit the keyboard... but that's the only hitting we do. The passionate among us are prone to wearing our hearts on our sleeves... but it's a massive leap from there to spousal abuse, verbal or physical.

Wish I'd said that @Baggers :)

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #187 –
Quote from: PaulP on
If you read the article I linked, Teague makes it clear that he is not a fan of "make a statement" selection manoeuvres, and I applaud him. 

He doesn't have to use the make a statement selection maneuvers, but he does need to produce results soon.
Unless he has some other tricks up his sleeves, i would expect that he should try and make this kind of statement ASAP.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #188 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Sorry, but when you see fans lash out, and abuse players for being soft, lazy, not earning their pay, being lifestyle footy players, not playing for the jumper, stealing the fans money etc. that's hurtful, and abusive. You won't find too many who would go up to Marc Murphy and call him soft to his face.

I expect better from so called journalists. If I want to read what fans think, I come here. That's what this site is for. In the days before journalism went down the loo, you could read and hear something that added to your knowledge, something you didn't know before. It seems as thought those days are past.
Soccer has it crowd cages, in Sth America and places like Columbia and the like they shoot under performing soccer players, I really think our game is very tame in terms of abuse and general behavior.
Marc Murphy is a little bloke and a lot of idiot supporters probably wouldnt be too scared in telling him what they think but they dont because they know the boundaries of good behavior vs being over passionate about the game.
I'm sure Rodger Federer gets plenty of abuse as does VIrat Kholi as does Steve Smith but if you want the centre stage in a Colosseum then you have to expect negative reactions when you under perform.
Fans who feel short changed at Rock Concerts etc will set fire to stuff, try and get on stage to punch on with performers, its all part of the downside of being a celebrity.
Anyone going home and kicking the dog,wife and kids etc over a game of football clearly have more issues than just a sporting result not going there way and the game of AFL isnt the underlying issue IMHO.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #189 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Sorry, but when you see fans lash out, and abuse players for being soft, lazy, not earning their pay, being lifestyle footy players, not playing for the jumper, stealing the fans money etc. that's hurtful, and abusive. You won't find too many who would go up to Marc Murphy and call him soft to his face.

I expect better from so called journalists. If I want to read what fans think, I come here. That's what this site is for. In the days before journalism went down the loo, you could read and hear something that added to your knowledge, something you didn't know before. It seems as thought those days are past.

He's not a football journalist, he's a political journalist, AFR Political Editor, (Australian financial Review doesn't do football) speaking as simply a regular Carlton fan. There is a bit of a difference. Saying what alot of us feel.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #190 –
I'm not sure if my communication skills are at fault, or if it's something else, but I thought my points were simple enough :

1. the article is boring as, adds nothing to any debate, and is simply a recapitulation of what has existed on social media for ages, notwithstanding any recent additions from tyre kickers like Cornes. If people find this to be great writing, good on 'em.

2. Using love of the club as a justification and legitimation for lashing out is IMO a problem. To wit, recent posts on here regarding low life behavior at the recent Lions game. These offenders would also claim that they love the club, and their love made them do it, or that the club failing to meet their expectations made them do it.  And my statement that this is same argument used by domestic violence offenders (i,e she made me do it) is completely correct. I'm not suggesting one leads to the other. I'm not suggesting the gravity is the same, but the line of argument most certainly is.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #192 –
Quote from: PaulP on
I'm not sure if my communication skills are at fault, or if it's something else, but I thought my points were simple enough :

1. the article is boring as, adds nothing to any debate, and is simply a recapitulation of what has existed on social media for ages, notwithstanding any recent additions from tyre kickers like Cornes. If people find this to be great writing, good on 'em.

2. Using love of the club as a justification and legitimation for lashing out is IMO a problem. To wit, recent posts on here regarding low life behavior at the recent Lions game. These offenders would also claim that they love the club, and their love made them do it, or that the club failing to meet their expectations made them do it.  And my statement that this is same argument used by domestic violence offenders (i,e she made me do it) is completely correct. I'm not suggesting one leads to the other. I'm not suggesting the gravity is the same, but the line of argument most certainly is.

Is he wrong? You're looking into it too much.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #193 –
Yep
I think by 'lashing out' he meant no more than the general critical post we see on here after a bad performance.

It may not be Walkley award winning stuff, but I bet it hit the spot with a lot of Blues supporters who feel pretty much the same.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #194 –
Yes, that must be my big character flaw - looking at things too closely lol.

Leaving aside my reservations about the article, I put to you, my learned colleagues, some points for your consideration :

1. after the debacle of 2012, where it was decided that Malthouse could put the finishing touches on the work done by Ratten (touches that Ratten himself was supposedly unable to produce), that in fact the club is delusional and knows sh1t about what it takes to be a finals club, and has once again, just like 2012-15, overestimated either list or coach, or possibly both. And has taken fans along for the ride.

2. Too early to call, and after stumbling as we walk onto the stage, we then recompose ourselves and play finals this season.

3. the club is perfectly aware that it has tried to prematurely force the finals narrative to give hope and sell memberships, knowing full well that is was a long shot this season.