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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by DJC -
One needs to mediate carefully between the group and the individual. There may be a small element of truth to certain groups conforming to certain behaviors, but that needs to be measured against that fact we are individual minds, and you need to be wary of flattening or erasing any nuance or legitimate difference that exists between members of a group.

In terms of parental pushiness, my experiences were decidedly mixed, with 2 children involved in soccer, cricket, swimming, ballet, fencing, drama, choir, art classes, gymnastics. Pushy parents come in all shapes and skin colors, as do chill parents.

Very true Paul.  It is all too easy to attribute an individual’s behaviours to their gender, ethnicity, religion, etc when it’s really down to their personality.

I served for many years as president of a junior basketball club in multicultural Box Hill.  Pushy parents, and pushy children, were an occupational hazard and they did come in all shapes and sizes.  The worst were generally many generations removed from their immigrant forebears.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by PaulP -
One needs to mediate carefully between the group and the individual. There may be a small element of truth to certain groups conforming to certain behaviors, but that needs to be measured against that fact we are individual minds, and you need to be wary of flattening or erasing any nuance or legitimate difference that exists between members of a group.

In terms of parental pushiness, my experiences were decidedly mixed, with 2 children involved in soccer, cricket, swimming, ballet, fencing, drama, choir, art classes, gymnastics. Pushy parents come in all shapes and skin colors, as do chill parents.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by dodge -
My kids play a lot of games vs. sides stacked with kids with Indian and Sri Lankan backgrounds and the term "pushy parent" is very apt. I'd hate to be the coach of one of those kids, the parental interference would drive you dingbats.

Many parents want the other kids to well, just not as well as their kids! Pushy parents will be that way if the are not reined in quickly. Amazing what putting a #4 down to #11 does as a result of parental actions.

Kawaja is a bit polarising - says some good and some rubbish things. I think in the end a good career in some ordinary sides - a great lesson in perseverance.  Fielding could still do with some work.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by DJC -
Khawaja spoke very well about growing up a brown kid amongst mostly white older generation racist players. It wasn't until Gillys generation that he began to feel apart. He said that it was the parents of the kids he played that were the worst. He's done very well to get through that to become the player he is.

I don't doubt that there has been an element of racism in Australian cricket at all levels.  However, while Australia has lagged behind England, South Africa and New Zealand in terms of players with Asian or Indigenous heritage making the Test team, Michael Jeh, writing in 2013 makes the point:

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As a dark-skinned Australian who began his cricket career in Australia, I cannot claim any discrimination or disadvantage based on my ethnic background. Any bias that I’ve experienced has been down to the fact that I’ve been limited by this ridiculous obsession with picking the best players! I suffered from simply not being good enough.

He then takes a slightly more serious approach and points out that:

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... many young boys from South Asian backgrounds have family expectations to deal with. Speaking from personal experience, I know that they come under immense pressure to follow academic pathways and ‘safe’ careers rather than chasing exotic cricket dreams. It’s ironic because these same families will watch every game of cricket and worship the stars but for their own sons, there’s a genuine desire to set them on a traditional career pathway that requires an emphasis on study. That will change but it might take a decade or so to show. Don’t ask me why this doesn’t manifest itself in England – I can’t figure that one out myself.

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From a pure cricketing perspective, the nature of Australian pitches lends itself to bigger, stronger physiques dominating senior club cricket. You have to be strong and robust enough to hit the deck and get bounce, therefore more suited to the Anglo-Saxon body shape. In England and New Zealand, the nagging medium-pacers and spinners come into their own, thereby opening up the field to bowlers who may lack the pure ‘grunt’ but can do enough with the ball at 125 kph. Australian pitches need to offer more variety full stop. It will automatically create more opportunities for players with different body shapes and techniques. The added bonus is that it will allow our players to adapt better to foreign pitches too.

From a pure cricketing perspective, the nature of Australian pitches lends itself to bigger, stronger physiques dominating senior club cricket. You have to be strong and robust enough to hit the deck and get bounce, therefore more suited to the Anglo-Saxon body shape. In England and New Zealand, the nagging medium-pacers and spinners come into their own, thereby opening up the field to bowlers who may lack the pure ‘grunt’ but can do enough with the ball at 125 kph. Australian pitches need to offer more variety full stop. It will automatically create more opportunities for players with different body shapes and techniques. The added bonus is that it will allow our players to adapt better to foreign pitches too.

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Psychologically, it’s no secret that Australian club cricket is played hard and uncompromisingly, sometimes too much so perhaps. It’s easy enough to mistake some of the sledging as ‘racist’ but from my experience, I found most of it to be opportunistic rather than redneck.

Michael Jeh is an Oxford Blue who played first-class cricket, and was a Playing Member of the MCC.  Perhaps he and Usman should compare notes.

Anyway, Khawaja has had a great career, even if it did go for slightly too long.  If anything, that part of his Test career after his recall was better than his first part.  Well done and let's hope he goes out with a decent score at the SCG - the curator will probably produce a road  ::)
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by Professer E -
My kids play a lot of games vs. sides stacked with kids with Indian and Sri Lankan backgrounds and the term "pushy parent" is very apt. I'd hate to be the coach of one of those kids, the parental interference would drive you dingbats.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by bratblue -
Khawaja spoke very well about growing up a brown kid amongst mostly white older generation racist players. It wasn't until Gillys generation that he began to feel apart. He said that it was the parents of the kids he played that were the worst. He's done very well to get through that to become the player he is.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by crashlander -
So, Khawaja had announced his retirement. Good luck to him: to be still going at 39 here is a pretty good effort.

The interesting questions:
[1] What will our batting line-up look like?
[2] This test is often affected by rain. Are we going to get much play?
[3] Can the groundsmen in Sydney produce a pitch that is not too extreme?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Dan’s statue, neo-nazis, local government, potholes and Victoria generally
Last post by crashlander -

A lot of Germans speak accented good English but there is an expectation that if you work for one of their companies even in Oz you have to learn German to a standard. I was lucky the Engineers I worked with spoke English and I had more problems with the Electrical/Electronic schematic diagrams that were all in German and many of the symbols differ to the USA and English versions yet can look the same.
ich bin auslander und spreche nicht gut deutsch!

Auch mit mir. Ich vergesse zu viel!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Dan’s statue, neo-nazis, local government, potholes and Victoria generally
Last post by Thryleon -
It is more that Russian children were trained from the time of the Tsars not to smile in public. Back in those days, they thought smiling would attract the Okrana, the Tsar's secret police. It was more so during the days of the Sovietskiy Soyuz, where first Lavrenti Beria's NKVD was thought to be attracted to anyone who smiled. Considering that one third of the entire Soviet payroll was working for the NKVD, they always knew of such things.
I was there in 1997 and people still didn't smile in public: it had become part of the Russian psyche.

I didn't find the same thing in Deutschland, but I could speak some German. They didn't even pick on me for my nice Australian accent (not in German - they knew I was a foreigner because I didn't speak dialect, rather than from my accent. They wanted to practice their English; that's when they noted my accent. I'm sure I affected a significant number of Germans with my English).
A lot of Germans speak accented good English but there is an expectation that if you work for one of their companies even in Oz you have to learn German to a standard. I was lucky the Engineers I worked with spoke English and I had more problems with the Electrical/Electronic schematic diagrams that were all in German and many of the symbols differ to the USA and English versions yet can look the same.
ich bin auslander und spreche nicht gut deutsch!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Dan’s statue, neo-nazis, local government, potholes and Victoria generally
Last post by DJC -
The nazi wannabes of the NSN have adopted black Helly Hansen rain jackets and hats as their “uniform”.

Presumably this is because they feel that appearing in a black brand name “uniform” makes them look both cool and intimidating.  Then there’s the “Aryan” connection with the Norwegian company and the correlation between the company’s HH logo and the NSN’s “Heil H_____” rallying cry.

Imagine the dismay among the NSN faithful when they learned that Helly Hansen is the platinum sponsor for the 2026 Sydney Pride Regatta.

I have no idea whether HH took on the sponsorship as a deliberate response to the appropriation of their brand by the NSN goons or whether it was a purely commercial decision.  Either way, the NSN won’t be comfortable sharing their preferred brand with the Pride Regatta.

Way to go Helly Hansen! 👏