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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by Milhanna13 -
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49ers embraced it - be good to have them here again. One of their media pack has you tube of trying Australian foods - he didn't like tomato sauce,  but liked Vegemite.


that journo is awesome.  he has kept following and commenting on the footy, even since he went home.   he made a comment, about the bris/hawks game that "you americans dont know what you are missing out on"...  he's adopted dangerfield as his hero and is full on giving hot takes on the afl,  after going to 1 game and watching a couple on the teev.  its great content
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by LP -
I think airlines do everything they can to get you there in the best possible state, and they have millions of flights and billions of passengers to back the tactics up with hard data. This Rams experiment reads more like the RFK solution.

The worst jetlag I experienced was Concorde London to New York, that was probably altitude related. But due to the speed you had no time to adjust sleep and meal patterns, and I think that contributes a few hours later. Second worst was Melb - Arizona - Melb in just under 72hrs, that analogous to the Rams. Now days I do the exact opposite and hop to the UK through HK and arrive fresh as a daisy
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by DJC -
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Sorry LP, but I'm going with Dr David Cunnington on this.  After all, he is a sleep physician with over 20 years' experience in clinical practice.

For the record, he maintains that, for the approaches taken by the 49ers and the Rams, "Each has a rationale, and either strategy is valid."  Furthermore, Allen Sills, the NFL's chief medical officer, confirmed that both teams had engaged sleep experts to formulate their approach.  The Rams' followed the same strategy last year when they flew to London on the day of their game, thrashed  against the Jaguars 35-7, and returned home without needing to stay in a hotel.  Of course, flying to Melbourne is a different kettle of worms than flying to London.
he sounds like a fence sitter.

To be honest different strokes for different folks is likely better.  Personally travelling east is always more exhausting than travelling west, and I would write off the first 24 hours than expect anyone to be at their best after 17 hours in the air.

Cunnington was quite firmly of the opinion that the Rams' strategy was high risk and less likely to succeed because of the significant difference in daylight times.  What he was pointing out was that both approaches were based on sleep science and expert advice.  The 49ers' expert took the points this time.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by Thryleon -
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The theory is sound, really? I've been travelling the globe for decades and I've never heard such rubbish, daylight hours rule not holding the time zone you exist in.

In my experience, the people who know what to do are the airlines, if you eat when they offer you food, if you sleep when they dim the lights, you'll be in about the best possible condition you can get. It's the Norbit's who push back and watch movies or News all night long that suffer!

As an aside, NASA have been trying this stuff for decades, the Mars lander crew live on a 25hr day so that every week is like a shift change and they operate like zombies. They do it because a Mars day is close to 24.7hrs.

When I was with News Ltd, we worked Newspaper hours, which can be anything from around the clock to 4am starts. You had to have a room setup with blockout everything just to survive, and the best time of day to play or practise sport was dawn. Most of us slept in two sessions, which before the invention of electric lighting was apparently the normal way to exist, with a 1st and 2nd sleep.

Sorry LP, but I'm going with Dr David Cunnington on this.  After all, he is a sleep physician with over 20 years' experience in clinical practice.

For the record, he maintains that, for the approaches taken by the 49ers and the Rams, "Each has a rationale, and either strategy is valid."  Furthermore, Allen Sills, the NFL's chief medical officer, confirmed that both teams had engaged sleep experts to formulate their approach.  The Rams' followed the same strategy last year when they flew to London on the day of their game, thrashed  against the Jaguars 35-7, and returned home without needing to stay in a hotel.  Of course, flying to Melbourne is a different kettle of worms than flying to London.
he sounds like a fence sitter.

To be honest different strokes for different folks is likely better.  Personally travelling east is always more exhausting than travelling west, and I would write off the first 24 hours than expect anyone to be at their best after 17 hours in the air.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by DJC -
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The theory is sound, really? I've been travelling the globe for decades and I've never heard such rubbish, daylight hours rule not holding the time zone you exist in.

In my experience, the people who know what to do are the airlines, if you eat when they offer you food, if you sleep when they dim the lights, you'll be in about the best possible condition you can get. It's the Norbit's who push back and watch movies or News all night long that suffer!

As an aside, NASA have been trying this stuff for decades, the Mars lander crew live on a 25hr day so that every week is like a shift change and they operate like zombies. They do it because a Mars day is close to 24.7hrs.

When I was with News Ltd, we worked Newspaper hours, which can be anything from around the clock to 4am starts. You had to have a room setup with blockout everything just to survive, and the best time of day to play or practise sport was dawn. Most of us slept in two sessions, which before the invention of electric lighting was apparently the normal way to exist, with a 1st and 2nd sleep.

Sorry LP, but I'm going with Dr David Cunnington on this.  After all, he is a sleep physician with over 20 years' experience in clinical practice.

For the record, he maintains that, for the approaches taken by the 49ers and the Rams, "Each has a rationale, and either strategy is valid."  Furthermore, Allen Sills, the NFL's chief medical officer, confirmed that both teams had engaged sleep experts to formulate their approach.  The Rams' followed the same strategy last year when they flew to London on the day of their game, thrashed  against the Jaguars 35-7, and returned home without needing to stay in a hotel.  Of course, flying to Melbourne is a different kettle of worms than flying to London.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by LP -
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I heard an interesting discussion on the wireless with a jet lag expert (who knew there was such a career?).  The theory behind their decision to stick with their usual routine and their local timezone is sound, but the different daylight hours will get you.  Of course, that meant that they weren't involved in promoting their franchise and the NFL and that was the point of the exercise.
The theory is sound, really? I've been travelling the globe for decades and I've never heard such rubbish, daylight hours rule not holding the time zone you exist in.

In my experience, the people who know what to do are the airlines, if you eat when they offer you food, if you sleep when they dim the lights, you'll be in about the best possible condition you can get. It's the Norbit's who push back and watch movies or News all night long that suffer!

As an aside, NASA have been trying this stuff for decades, the Mars lander crew live on a 25hr day so that every week is like a shift change and they operate like zombies. They do it because a Mars day is close to 24.7hrs.

When I was with News Ltd, we worked Newspaper hours, which can be anything from around the clock to 4am starts. You had to have a room setup with blockout everything just to survive, and the best time of day to play or practise sport was dawn. Most of us slept in two sessions, which before the invention of electric lighting was apparently the normal way to exist, with a 1st and 2nd sleep.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 6 2026 - Carlton vs Melbourne @ Casey
Last post by kruddler -
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I didn't see a lot of the game but I thought that we weren't too far off the pace.  I think that we would have to be in with a decent chance when we next play Melbourne ... or North.

Hawks beat North, and i thought we were lucky to beat the hawks, they dominated us last time.
Along with the Dees, they are all top 4 for mine.

We might be the 4th overall, which from where we came from 2 years ago, is huge.
Crows and Lions the other 2 we'd be fighting with for top 4 spot IMO.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by DJC -
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Agree with the Rams, GTC - they didn't want to know about. Bit odd considering Australia is part of their assigned international territory.

49ers embraced it - be good to have them here again. One of their media pack has you tube of trying Australian foods - he didn't like tomato sauce,  but liked Vegemite.

Apparently, there are quite a few international games - my son was saying London (3), Germany amongst other places.
The idiots chose to come a day or so before and stuffed up. Now they are looking about it.

I heard an interesting discussion on the wireless with a jet lag expert (who knew there was such a career?).  The theory behind their decision to stick with their usual routine and their local timezone is sound, but the different daylight hours will get you.  Of course, that meant that they weren't involved in promoting their franchise and the NFL and that was the point of the exercise.