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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Does anyone bother to read the ASIO Director-General's Annual Threat Assessments?

It's here: https://www.asio.gov.au/director-generals-annual-threat-assessment-2025

A couple of excerpts:

"Over the next five years, a complex, challenging and changing security environment will become more  dynamic, more diverse and more degraded.

Many of the foundations that have underpinned Australia’s security, prosperity and democracy are being tested: social cohesion is eroding, trust in institutions is declining, intolerance is growing, even truth itself is being undermined by conspiracy, mis- and disinformation.

Similar trends are playing out across the Western world.

So what does this mean for our security environment?

Australia is facing multifaceted, merging, intersecting, concurrent and cascading threats. Major geopolitical, economic, social and security challenges of the 1930s, 70s and 90s have converged. As one of my analysts put it with an uncharacteristic nod to popular culture: everything, everywhere all at once.

Or as I described it a moment ago, more dynamic, diverse and degraded."
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"The war in the Middle East has not yet directly inspired terrorism in Australia, but it is prompting protest, exacerbating division, undermining social cohesion and elevating intolerance. This, in turn, is making acts of politically motivated violence more likely."

Terrorism is a subset of politically motivated violence. It covers acts or threats intended to advance a political, religious or ideological cause through intimidation. So while a protest or an attack on an electoral office might be an act of politically motivated violence, it may not meet the threshold of terrorism.

We raised the national terrorism threat level in 2024 and I do not anticipate being able to lower it in the foreseeable future.

Politically motivated violence is raising the temperature of the security environment and making acts of terrorism more likely.

At the same time, traditional transnational terrorist groups such as Islamic State, al-Qa’ida and their affiliates are exploiting permissive spaces to revive and renew their capabilities, particularly in Afghanistan and parts of Africa. The groups have demonstrated their ability to conduct successful external attacks, although I stress that none of last year’s terrorist incidents in Australia were directed by an offshore group, and our greatest threat remains a lone actor using an easily obtained weapon."

Our greatest threat in part because, despite all of the surveillance and intelligence at ASIO's disposal, lone actors are almost impossible to detect and apprehend.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -
So what should they do?

The widespread calls for action are meaningless, bordering on dog whistling, when they are delivered without offers of a genuine solution.

Of course, when challenged the old "What can I do" response is specifically part of the problem!

It's clear to me, the loudest calls coming from the likes of Netanyahu and RedTrump is disingenuous, they profit from this violence, they do not want it to stop, they captain very highly profitable war machines.

I'll finish today with this, there is significant irony in the media commentators claiming the political dialogue has become too dangerous, too vindictive, many might not understand that irony, they are the medium, they are the editors and producers. They will profit heavily as well.

It's essentially one of the standard Liberal/ conservative talking points, the imputation and sometimes direct accusation that Labor governments are "soft on crime."
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Quote from:  Quote from: Gointocarlton on Tue Dec 16 2025 16:14:58 GMT+1100 (Australian Eastern Daylight Time)
Governments doing "only so much" and SFA are two different things. They are reaping what they have sewn.
@Gointocarlton So what should they do?

The widespread calls for action are meaningless, bordering on dog whistling, when they are delivered without offers of a genuine solution.

Of course, when challenged the old "What can I do" response is specifically part of the problem!

It's clear to me, the loudest calls coming from the likes of Netanyahu and RedTrump is disingenuous, they profit from this violence, they do not want it to stop, they captain very highly profitable war machines.

I'll finish today with this, there is significant irony in the media commentators claiming the political dialogue has become too dangerous, too vindictive, many might not understand that irony, they are the medium, they are the editors and producers. They will profit heavily as well.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
I see RedTrumps big backers, the NRA haven't hesitated in trying to gain political momentum, what a wonderful world.

How much did Murdoch make this week?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -
The pain is palpable, but the conclusions are all wrong, I understand they want to blame someone, the person firing the gun is the best place to start.

Further laws, further words, won't stop what is happening, the solution lies beyond Australia's border. You cannot escape a religious war by crossing a border, it goes where you go, you have to solve the problem at it's genesis.

The footage I saw shows the rock throwing man pick up the discard shotgun, aim it the terrorist then put it down again before being shot.  It's not clear whether he was shot while aiming the shotgun.  Not everyone is capable of shooting at another human being and the rock throwing man may not have known how to fire the shotgun.  Either way, he was another hero and his daughter's words are powerful, but wrong.  Governments can only do so much to minimise terrorist attacks and it seems pretty clear that the perpetrators were radicalised long ago and not by those protesting against Israel's genocide in Palestine.  In the words of Tom Waits:

"So thousands dead and wounded on both
Sides most of them middle eastern civilians
They fill their children full of hate to fight an old man's war
And die upon the road to peace"

It's people, not governments, that allow terrorists to strike.
Governments doing "only so much" and SFA are two different things. They are reaping what they have sewn.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
Some of you might not be surprised by this, others will refuse to believe it. But I've heard a whisper from a reliable source that RedTrump as opportunistic as ever has used the Bondi shooting to throw political doubt over the Aukus agreement. The rumour is the RedTrump inner circle will claim they have doubts about Australia's ability to secure it's own backyard, and they will use those seeds of doubt to secure a better deal for the USA.

This coming from the "Land of the free to kill anybody",

What a quality human being he is, how can it be that he hasn't yet got a Nobel?

Countries rich with uranium should raise the price 500%.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
It's people, not governments, that allow terrorists to strike.
Somebody knew about this, somebody always knows about an event like this before it happens.

Calling for greater vigilance, surveillance, laws is just spreading the embers across already tinder dry ground.

It's not a laughing matter, but you have to laugh at Netanyahu's calls for Australia to act. Does he mean act to the same level as Israel, the most surveilled society on the face of the planet, they spy on their neighbours, they spy on their citizens, they spy on friends and foe equally, yet they cannot stop and have no hope of stopping such events as Bondi, events which have become so routine in their own backyard that they are barely reported anymore.

This event gets the global attention because it's such a rare event to happen here, and let's hope it remains that way!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
I try to transition from work to relaxation with at least 30 minutes of music every evening.  The artist/genre depends a lot on how I'm feeling, what's going on locally or globally, or who has just died; my Jimmy Cliff collection got a work out recently.  Tom Waits, and particularly, Road to Peace, are regulars.

When I heard that one of the terrorists was a licenced shooter with six firearms, my immediate reaction was why have six.  I have four firearms, one of which is deactivated.  But then I live on a property where I'm obliged to control pest animals and each of those three firearms has a specific purpose.  I'm not sure why a gun club member, who may hunt and/or target shoot, would need six firearms, one of which seems to restricted to a very limited number of licenced shooters.

I really find it hard to believe that Queensland, South Australia, NT and the ACT don't have state of the art firearms registers - not that that would prevented the Bondi massacre and the recent Yackandandah and Wieambilla shootings
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by dodge -
Thanks for the Tom Waits lyrics, DJC - I haven't listened to that album for a long time.

I find a lot of comfort and peace as well in music - been listening to Nina Simone's You'll never walk alone, Gabriel's Oboe & Like a bridge over troubled water quite a bit.  They all have sadness, strength and some peace in them.

I hope this brings a change to Australia - back to unity and respect.  Unfortunately, I can't see it at the moment.

It seems that the gun laws need admin tweaks more than anything eg National digital registers, number of guns to own.  Would changing guns laws prevent what happened if the perpetuator is determined enough?

I have a book about the global rise of anti-Semitism.  I didn't get far - it is a hard read, but I think I need to get through it now.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
I will just add this, thankfully the animals on Sunday didn't have semi automatic rifles or automatic assault rifles as the carnage would have been horrific (double or triple the toll). One shooter however appeared to have a pump action shotgun of sorts and these need to be made illegal immediately as the Howard ban intended after Port Arthur. Automatic shotguns have popped back into circulation (legally obtained) with a special condition licence. I have always been against this as in my opinion, there is no need for them whatsover. Break open over/under or side by side shot guns (2 cartridges max) should be all that is legal along with bolt action rifles for registered hunters and target shooters, nothing else.
Over and above this, without going into a racist type commentary, the authorities need to revamp who holds a firearm licence. Currently, If you have a mental illness and are taking medication, you cannot hold a licence for obvious reasons. The authorities need to extend this by tracking down all the members of known terrorist organisations and remove their licences (perhaps before deporting them altogether). As for people who visit and frequent known terrorist training camps and hot spots like in the Philippines for example, those people cannot hold a firearms licence IMO. Extreme measures and strategic tactics are needed to combat this.

I thought that it was a pump action shotgun too G2C.

I don't know the NSW regulations but assume they're much the same as Victoria.  If so, owning a self loading or pump action firearm requires a category C or D licence that is only available to primary producers or professional vertebrate pest controllers.