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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
after all I posted thats what you took away? 


Fixed it for you. Happy now? Its still the same delineation, and we will cut from the afl group as well as the none ready group moving forward but there is one important distinction between the two groups.  Players leaving the first group were afl ready but not good enough.  Players being axed from the second group will be because they arent going to get there with us.


No one expects the Irish to make it, but technically they're key position sized.


I don't know what you want me to say?
You broke down the list into 2 groups by age. You suggesting the young group is the direction that the list management team is focusing on and that we will be ok with this direction based on those players.
That's an opinion.
My opinion is that your opinion would have made a better point without shoehorning people in to back up that point.


The point is the point.  The Irish lads are currently talls in that under age bracket.  They arent shoe horned in there. They might do a setanta one day, or they might be delisted but this is where our list is at today.  You dont like that, and THAT is a you problem.
Yes both older people and younger people will be cut. My point about that was you can't say how good the young group is when some of them will be cut next year. Same point as above, shoehorning people in hurts your statement imho.

I'm not bagging out your overall statement, I'm not asking you to put up a sacked list in just saying listing all of our young players and saying they are on schedule is a fallacy.

nah you're being pedantic.  You know exactly what I intended and are playing politician.  Argue a point that wasn't being made.  I divided the list into the two groups and said prioritising the second layer if you want to be pedantic, not focusing on the second.

Hence why ainsworth was recruited and we also brought in the other more mature players.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Baggers -
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Many seem to be hung up on the height (or lack there of) of our fwd line.
Brisbane Premiership Fwd Line
Charlie Cameron   180cm   Ty Gallop   194cm   Callum Ah Chee 182cm   average height = 186.5cm
Cameron Rayner   187cm   Logan Morris   191cm   Kai Lohmann   185cm      

2026 Potential Fwd Line                     
Hayward   186cm   McKay 204cm   Moir 188cm   average height =190.2cm
Evans 182cm   O'Keeffe   202cm Ainsworth   179cm
Then there is:
Jesse Motlop   180cm               
Talor Byrne 174cm               
Zac Williams 183cm               
Brodie Kemp 192cm      

I see no issue, just saying.         

Exactamundo, GTC old son. The Brisvegas forward line says 'mobility and multiple goal kicking options.'

If you're a traditional 'tall' key position forward in the modern game, you better have more tricks than just your height.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


The heading was...
Developing Kids who are playing ahead or on schedule:
I don't know of anyone, besides maybe thry, who thinks they are 'on schedule'. This is not me vs the club thing, i understand its a free hit. I'm just being honest. I think they're a bust.

Forget who is saying this, and look at the simple facts.
The club has to delist at least 3 players. Will it be all older players who leave? Usually some younger players will get booted as well.
Is it unfathomable that there would be a handful asked to move on?
Binns, Lemmey, White, Elijah, Durdin all left or got pushed this year. There's 5.

If you wanted to include irish rookies next year, you only need 3 more.
Billy Wilson, Flynn Young, Charleson, 2x Campos......could all be on the chopping block if there is no development from them this year.

This is just the reality of AFL lists and list sizes

after all I posted thats what you took away? 


Fixed it for you. Happy now? Its still the same delineation, and we will cut from the afl group as well as the none ready group moving forward but there is one important distinction between the two groups.  Players leaving the first group were afl ready but not good enough.  Players being axed from the second group will be because they arent going to get there with us.


No one expects the Irish to make it, but technically they're key position sized.


I don't know what you want me to say?
You broke down the list into 2 groups by age. You suggesting the young group is the direction that the list management team is focusing on and that we will be ok with this direction based on those players.
That's an opinion.
My opinion is that your opinion would have made a better point without shoehorning people in to back up that point.

Yes both older people and younger people will be cut. My point about that was you can't say how good the young group is when some of them will be cut next year. Same point as above, shoehorning people in hurts your statement imho.

I'm not bagging out your overall statement, I'm not asking you to put up a sacked list in just saying listing all of our young players and saying they are on schedule is a fallacy.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Many seem to be hung up on the height (or lack there of) of our fwd line.
Brisbane Premiership Fwd Line
Charlie Cameron   180cm   Ty Gallop   194cm   Callum Ah Chee 182cm   average height = 186.5cm
Cameron Rayner   187cm   Logan Morris   191cm   Kai Lohmann   185cm      

2026 Potential Fwd Line                     
Hayward   186cm   McKay 204cm   Moir 188cm   average height =190.2cm
Evans 182cm   O'Keeffe   202cm Ainsworth   179cm
Then there is:
Jesse Motlop   180cm               
Talor Byrne 174cm               
Zac Williams 183cm               
Brodie Kemp 192cm      

I see no issue, just saying.         
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


I understand you're at odds with the club's direction but maybe it's worthwhile trying to see what the plan is for the  next couple of  years.

Rather than listing the Irish boys as 'real positive',  Thry has highlighted them as an unknown weak point.

They do need to show something otherwise it's back home.
The fact the club are persisting with it at virtually no cost is an indication that they're willing to give it another year.

The heading was...
Developing Kids who are playing ahead or on schedule:
I don't know of anyone, besides maybe thry, who thinks they are 'on schedule'. This is not me vs the club thing, i understand its a free hit. I'm just being honest. I think they're a bust.

Forget who is saying this, and look at the simple facts.
The club has to delist at least 3 players. Will it be all older players who leave? Usually some younger players will get booted as well.
Is it unfathomable that there would be a handful asked to move on?
Binns, Lemmey, White, Elijah, Durdin all left or got pushed this year. There's 5.

If you wanted to include irish rookies next year, you only need 3 more.
Billy Wilson, Flynn Young, Charleson, 2x Campos......could all be on the chopping block if there is no development from them this year.

This is just the reality of AFL lists and list sizes

after all I posted thats what you took away? 


Fixed it for you. Happy now? Its still the same delineation, and we will cut from the afl group as well as the none ready group moving forward but there is one important distinction between the two groups.  Players leaving the first group were afl ready but not good enough.  Players being axed from the second group will be because they arent going to get there with us.


No one expects the Irish to make it, but technically they're key position sized.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
Any point you are trying to prove that you include Monaghan and Duffy in as a positive, loses credibility.

You'd be much better off doing what BBB does and do a future team with players penciled in and leaving gaps where we can't be confident.

From your (not best) 23, i'd have a handful of them no longer at the club this time next year.

I understand you're at odds with the club's direction but maybe it's worthwhile trying to see what the plan is for the  next couple of  years.

Rather than listing the Irish boys as 'real positive',  Thry has highlighted them as an unknown weak point.

They do need to show something otherwise it's back home.
The fact the club are persisting with it at virtually no cost is an indication that they're willing to give it another year.

The heading was...
Developing Kids who are playing ahead or on schedule:
I don't know of anyone, besides maybe thry, who thinks they are 'on schedule'. This is not me vs the club thing, i understand its a free hit. I'm just being honest. I think they're a bust.

Forget who is saying this, and look at the simple facts.
The club has to delist at least 3 players. Will it be all older players who leave? Usually some younger players will get booted as well.
Is it unfathomable that there would be a handful asked to move on?
Binns, Lemmey, White, Elijah, Durdin all left or got pushed this year. There's 5.

If you wanted to include irish rookies next year, you only need 3 more.
Billy Wilson, Flynn Young, Charleson, 2x Campos......could all be on the chopping block if there is no development from them this year.

This is just the reality of AFL lists and list sizes
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Any point you are trying to prove that you include Monaghan and Duffy in as a positive, loses credibility.

You'd be much better off doing what BBB does and do a future team with players penciled in and leaving gaps where we can't be confident.

From your (not best) 23, i'd have a handful of them no longer at the club this time next year.

I understand you're at odds with the club's direction but maybe it's worthwhile trying to see what the plan is for the  next couple of  years.

Rather than listing the Irish boys as 'real positive',  Thry has highlighted them as an unknown weak point.

They do need to show something otherwise it's back home.
The fact the club are persisting with it at virtually no cost is an indication that they're willing to give it another year.