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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by LP -
I'm not even talking about his role, he looks slower,  less agile and struggled to bend over to pick up the ball.
My opening statement was I thought he is moving OK.

But he might not look comfortable in his approach at the footy because he's being put in unfamiliar circumstances, making him hesitant.

In both our losses he's gone berserker in the last quarter and taken out one of his own, he hit the contest at speed with completely the wrong focus making him look awkward but not injured or lame.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by LP -
@Thryleon‍ technically it's wrong because the claims made are based on a non-standard definition of slavery. In his debate he has defined slavery in the broadest possible terms to capture even criminal offences, it may even be capturing voluntary subservience which would be distinct from subjugation.

I have to work for a living, social media would describe me as a slave to the man, but I'm not bound to anyone, I wasn't bought and paid for, I don't have my name listed on a certificate of ownership, I'm paid a wage, whether it's a pittance or fortune is irrelevant, and I can walk away if I'm prepared to abandon my lifestyle.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Thryleon -
Your move.

https://www.unaa.org.au/2020/06/13/was-there-slavery-in-australia-yes-it-shouldnt-even-be-up-for-debate/

Slavery is the ownership of a person as property.  That has never happened in Australia.

People have been exploited, ill-treated and denied their liberty in Australia - and that still goes on today - but never owned or bought and sold.
righto, i expect that the article I linked is invalid then?

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What is slavery?

Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention says:

    Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.

These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson, slavery is a form of “social death”.

Slavery has been illegal in the (former) British Empire since the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade of 1807, and certainly since 1833.

Slavery practices emerged in Australia in the 19th century and in some places endured until the 1950s.
Early coverage of slavery in Australia

As early as the 1860s, anti-slavery campaigners began to invoke “charges of chattel bondage and slavery” to describe north Australian conditions for Aboriginal labour.

In 1891 a “Slave Map of Modern Australia” was printed in the British Anti-Slavery Reporter, a journal that documented slavery around the world and campaigned against it.

Reprinted from English journalist Arthur Vogan’s account of frontier relations in Queensland, it showed large areas where:

    … the traffic in Aboriginal labour, both children and adults, had descended into slavery conditions.

So this is also wrong then:

https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/history-of-indigenous-work-sheds-light-on-australian-slavery
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Dr Huggins' articles focus on her own career, as well as the experiences of her mother, Rita Huggins.

"In answer to the recent denial that there was slavery in Australia -- my mother and her 13 siblings were slaves who worked in domestic service and stockwork," Dr Huggins said.

According to the editors, the volume was "pioneering" in this focus on Indigenous women and girls in the workforce. 

So do you want me to state I was wrong, or you are right based on a definition of someone owning a person as property, rather than the person being sold with the property as part of the chattels?

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by LP -

Slavery is the ownership of a person as property.  That has never happened in Australia.

People have been exploited, ill-treated and denied their liberty in Australia - and that still goes on today - but never owned or bought and sold.
Agreed, social media confuses systemic slavery like the USA or UK, with criminal enslavement like prostitution / people smuggling. By the way I think the legal system terms what many on social media call slavery as subjugation.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by madbluboy -
Kemp hasn't looked the same athletically since he has come back from his knee.
I think he's moving OK, but are we seeing the difference that being a fulltime forward brings compared to a pinch hitter?

Now, week in and week out opponents will be prepared, drilled and trained to put him in the situations that expose his weakness.

AFL is not like local footy, just getting fit again isn't good enough.

I'm not even talking about his role, he looks slower,  less agile and struggled to bend over to pick up the ball.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by LP -
Perhaps I was being harsh on HOK, after all he was at times up against one of the best ruckman to play the game
When I watched the replay about 1/2 of HOK's time on the ground was subbing for Young, Gov, Kemp or McKay.

His progress will be slow if he keeps getting used in such a fractured manner, but perhaps he is happy to do because he gets a game. Reminds me of when Cottrell started, a bits and pieces player that copped a lot of flak, but once he settled we got to see what he could do when fit.

Ignoring fitness of limitations, I think we really miss Cottrell's natural aggression.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Gointocarlton -
HOK also needs a spell, give Ready another crack and light a fire under his feet this time.
I think HOK needs game time, if Kemp goes out I'd push HOK forward and put Derksen in D50 for Dean. HOK is also a viable tall alternative target to McKay.

Also if Xerri goes out, I think bench time could be reversed this week, with Pitto on the sidelines more and HOK rucking.
Perhaps I was being harsh on HOK, after all he was at times up against one of the best ruckman to play the game
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by LP -
Kemp hasn't looked the same athletically since he has come back from his knee.
I think he's moving OK, but are we seeing the difference that being a fulltime forward brings compared to a pinch hitter?

Now, week in and week out opponents will be prepared, drilled and trained to put him in the situations that expose his weakness.

AFL is not like local footy, just getting fit again isn't good enough.