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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by Thryleon -
The more I think about our midfield mix, the more apparent it comes to me that Cripps is about to become a key position player. 

It makes the most sense.  Last season, Cerra and Hewett were our best performed mids, and Walsh not far off when he played.  Cripps was the one most down on output, and thats ok, he is getting on, and transitioning to a role where he can impact the team and lead is probably a good thing.

Will also help us start to get Jagga and co through there, and I think we will rotate heavily through the positions where multi role players are going to have bursts on ball.

Remember Kouta's best season?

He would start at CHB on the oppositions best forward, and then at half time, would play on ball for the rest of the game and change it.  Thats what I see us doing with Cripps potentially (maybe CHF instead).
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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I couldn’t fit Lord into my midfield but he’s a lock for my interchange bench.

Cooper provides a point of difference to our other midfielders with his ability to negate opposition guns and willingness to do the real grunt work.
Agree. Also hard to fit Cripps Hewett and Cerra into the same side from a pace perspective. I have Cerra on the bench and potentially being squeezed out all together.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by Lods -
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Then there’s the forwards that are included in the midfield rotations.

One thing that Kruddler’s exercise has shown is that they will be intense competition for spots in the midfield. 

Will we use the extra interchange player to add another midfielder?  I think that would dilute the presence of Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Smith and Cerra.

It's a funny one...the half forward,half back, winger
I 'personally'wouldn't refer to Acres, O Hollands or Cottrell, who sometime play as wingmen, as 'midfielders'.
Yet I've picked Cottrell as one of my wingmen, so I guess he is :D

I think we will have at least one more mid on the bench.
One of the players I have some big hopes for next year is Cooper Lord. I think he's going to be a gun.
There is also Jack Ison, and the Camporeales (with a year of development behind them).

(and I was worried about fitting all the forwards in ::)  ::)  )


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by DJC -
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I think it's a bit of an age thing.
Some of us oldies still cling to traditional positions
Technically a midfielder includes the old Ruck, Ruck-Rover, Rover, Centre and two wingmen....bascially those that work between the arcs or follow the ball around.
But some of us still talk of 'midfielders' in terms of the central guys other than the followers, and wingers.

As an older person, I have to remember to include the ruckman in the midfield.  Comments like “TDK is an extra midfielder” reinforce that separation. 

I don’t have a problem with including wingers though, particularly since our “pure midfielders” like Walsh and Cerra often play “on the wing”.

Then there’s the forwards that are included in the midfield rotations.

One thing that Kruddler’s exercise has shown is that they will be intense competition for spots in the midfield. 

Will we use the extra interchange player to add another midfielder?  I think that would dilute the presence of Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Smith and Cerra.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by northernblue -
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Not really, it's on the money, Voss has to achieve more with less and Wright has left him as the fall guy by not extending him causing that extra pressure.
No one is buying that losing TDK, Jack and Charlie has made us better and its all about the optics of Carlton not sacking another coach to make the  club looking like it's changed it's ways but it's going to be a mammoth task for Voss to survive.

We lost an athletic ruckman with potential, a dual Coleman Medalist who was playing like he didn’t give a toss and an injury-prone, slow defender with all of 12 games as a KPD under his belt.  Only Tom was part of our late season return to form.  We’ve more than covered their loss with blokes who want to play for the club and give us greater depth, versatility and goal scoring ability.

We’ve brought in experienced assistants with new ideas, a director of coaching to wrangle the assistants, and Travis Boak to take a dedicated leadership and culture role.  Voss has more support than ever and a better list than he had last season.

Don’t forget that everyone has returned to pre season fitter than they’ve ever been… 🙄
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by Lods -
'Bump'

Without a comment these threads slip down the list.
So anyone else want to vote before we move on to the next line.

Looks like Cripps, Walsh and Hewitt get the main midfield positions
And Pittonet in the ruck
A bit of a variety in our wingers.

Cerra and Lord will have to go through the repechage

(Just wondering Kruddler...I skimmed over the post initially and was going to vote for pure 'centremen' (smaller centre square attenders), not wingers or a ruckman. That may have created a bit of a problem in the lack of rucks and specialist wingers.
I've taken the liberty of allowing posters to change their vote if they've neglected a ruck or not chosen a specialist wing)

I think it's a bit of an age thing.
Some of us oldies still cling to traditional positions
Technically a midfielder includes the old Ruck, Ruck-Rover, Rover, Centre and two wingmen....bascially those that work between the arcs or follow the ball around.
But some of us still talk of 'midfielders' in terms of the central guys other than the followers, and wingers.



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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
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You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.

Yes and no.

As a general rule, Carlton supporters are more passionate.
I think that largely comes down to our ethnic background which is/was unique to Carlton, the suburb, and has continued on.

I can say this, because i am one, but generally wogs/Italians barrack for Carlton.....well more likely to barrack for Carlton.
Its certainly not limited to that ethnicity, but club support is generational and thats our history. Italians are also known for their passion. Thus Carlton are 'slightly different' to other teams.
I'm not sure if that translates to those 'north of the border' like yourself, but its definitely a thing down here.

Hard to say for sure.
I remember years ago there was a figure that 20% of our members lived outside of either Melbourne or Victoria (not sure which) but that was a while ago, and the club doesn't appear to give a breakdown of the different numbers in membership categories these days.

What is apparent is that support for the club is nationwide.
That used to be obvious at Swans games when they first went to Sydney, and again when I went to a game on the Gold Coast a few years back.
There was just as many people in Carlton jumpers as there were in the jumpers of the home teams.
Back in the day the only vision many states got of AFL was a 'match of the day' each week.
It was a golden era for us and we'd feature more than any club in those games most years.
That may have done something for our interstate popularity.

I'm always surprised when I ask who people support and the answer comes back ...Carlton.
Just on this forum I suspect if you took a survey of where folks lived it would be surprising how many live out of Melbourne or intersate.
I can think of quite a few without even trying too hard.

Anyway back to the fight. :D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
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Yeah, i get that, but where do the media get this from? The see it games, they hear it on talkback radio, they see it on social media.

We start it, they broadcast it, we continue it, they enhance it.....

Far be it from me to stick up for the media, but they do it with Carlton because Carlton does it to itself.

You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.

Yes and no.

As a general rule, Carlton supporters are more passionate.
I think that largely comes down to our ethnic background which is/was unique to Carlton, the suburb, and has continued on.

I can say this, because i am one, but generally wogs/Italians barrack for Carlton.....well more likely to barrack for Carlton.
Its certainly not limited to that ethnicity, but club support is generational and thats our history. Italians are also known for their passion. Thus Carlton are 'slightly different' to other teams.
I'm not sure if that translates to those 'north of the border' like yourself, but its definitely a thing down here.