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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
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Don't give too much weight to a dozen people voting. We could hold the election in my lounge room.

That could be an interesting gathering Lods.  Do you have a date in mind? :)

Building a list isn't just drafting A-graders, however you define them, but it's a factor.  More important is using trades, free agency, rookie selections and contract management to maintain a sustainable list with depth and the ability to execute the gameplan.

Without wishing to re-ignite an old debate, SOS wasn't sacked because of his list management, it was club politics.  Furthermore, he had signalled his intention to move on.  In that context, how many players had SOS added to our list who were at A-grade level at the time of his departure?  I would say one; Jacob Weitering (Charlie, Harry and Sam Walsh's break out years were still to come).

How many A-graders has Austin added to our list to date? Again, I would say one; George Hewett.  There are plenty of B-graders to go with George and a couple of potential A-graders, if they live up to the hype.

As an aside, Brad Lloyd reckons that we have three A-graders - Cripps, Weitering and Walsh - and four B-graders - McKay, Cerra, Hewett and Saad.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
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I think you give a bit too much weight to our polls :D
A dozen votes on our website with a wide range of biased views is hardly 'public opinion' ;)

These polls are nothing but a reflection of the past and anticipation for the future.
Those that think we haven't recruited well will give a different emphasis to new players than those who see how these players may fit into, and complement, the side.

Our starting team this year will probably look a bit different to the side 'we' end up with in the polls
In fact after a couple of practice games we'd probably come up with a completely differen side.

They have little validity other than how a very small group of people view the team at a point in time.

The question was asked before ...what makes an A grader and the answer is usually time.
Very few players hit the ground as A graders and it usually takes two or three years to establish themselves.

Cowan
O. Hollands
Hof
Smith
Dean

Ask us again in four years time about these players and we would probably get a different answer...and that doesn't account for players that at the present may be 'cocooned' waiting to emerge.

Its not definitive, sure, but its pretty clear that this site is not leaving out a-graders though is it.
It shows that those players are borderline best 23....and thats the point. Anyway can draft borderline best 23 players.
We lost 2 silvagni a-graders
We still have a few silvagni a-graders.
How many austin a-graders do we have despite him recruiting 75% of the list.

Every year its a 'work in progress, you can't judge yet' well when can we judge?
Performances wise we've fallen off a cliff.
Player wise we've lost more talented players than we've brought in.
Of the players we've brought in, the best hopes we have are 18+19yo kids so by the time they develop, our existing a-graders will be on the way out....and currently, their replacements are not on the list.

As a collective site, i liken our list management thought processes to the frog in the pan that slowly boils. Its happening too slowly for anyone to realise, but its bad news.

Gee, you talk in extremes.
"Fallen off a cliff"
Have you been paying attention to what's happened with injury an off field shenanigans the last two years.  ::)

Don't give too much weight to a dozen people voting. We could hold the election in my lounge room.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Maybe, but it does show public opinion disagrees with the above statement.
That holds more weight than simply me calling it BS.

I think you give a bit too much weight to our polls :D
A dozen votes on our website with a wide range of biased views is hardly 'public opinion' ;)

These polls are nothing but a reflection of the past and anticipation for the future.
Those that think we haven't recruited well will give a different emphasis to new players than those who see how these players may fit into, and complement, the side.

Our starting team this year will probably look a bit different to the side 'we' end up with in the polls
In fact after a couple of practice games we'd probably come up with a completely differen side.

They have little validity other than how a very small group of people view the team at a point in time.

The question was asked before ...what makes an A grader and the answer is usually time.
Very few players hit the ground as A graders and it usually takes two or three years to establish themselves.

Cowan
O. Hollands
Hof
Smith
Dean

Ask us again in four years time about these players and we would probably get a different answer...and that doesn't account for players that at the present may be 'cocooned' waiting to emerge.

Its not definitive, sure, but its pretty clear that this site is not leaving out a-graders though is it.
It shows that those players are borderline best 23....and thats the point. Anyway can draft borderline best 23 players.
We lost 2 silvagni a-graders
We still have a few silvagni a-graders.
How many austin a-graders do we have despite him recruiting 75% of the list.

Every year its a 'work in progress, you can't judge yet' well when can we judge?
Performances wise we've fallen off a cliff.
Player wise we've lost more talented players than we've brought in.
Of the players we've brought in, the best hopes we have are 18+19yo kids so by the time they develop, our existing a-graders will be on the way out....and currently, their replacements are not on the list.

As a collective site, i liken our list management thought processes to the frog in the pan that slowly boils. Its happening too slowly for anyone to realise, but its bad news.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


It a good thing we're not picking the team then :D

Maybe, but it does show public opinion disagrees with the above statement.
That holds more weight than simply me calling it BS.

I think you give a bit too much weight to our polls :D
A dozen votes on our website with a wide range of biased views is hardly 'public opinion' ;)

These polls are nothing but a reflection of the past and anticipation for the future.
Those that think we haven't recruited well will give a different emphasis to new players than those who see how these players may fit into, and complement, the side.

Our starting team this year will probably look a bit different to the side 'we' end up with in the polls
In fact after a couple of practice games we'd probably come up with a completely differen side.

They have little validity other than how a very small group of people view the team at a point in time.

The question was asked before ...what makes an A grader and the answer is usually time.
Very few players hit the ground as A graders and it usually takes two or three years to establish themselves.

Cowan
O. Hollands
Hof
Smith
Dean

Ask us again in four years time about these players and we would probably get a different answer...and that doesn't account for players that at the present may be 'cocooned' waiting to emerge.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
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From that list only Cowan has made the best 16 from peoples votes on this very site thus far. Hardly shooting the lights out

It a good thing we're not picking the team then :D

Maybe, but it does show public opinion disagrees with the above statement.
That holds more weight than simply me calling it BS.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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Thus far Austin has selected talent and its a coin toss between cowan, Hollands, motlop and HOF for his best.  We havent seen jagga yet, so who knows. Ditto Dean.
From that list only Cowan has made the best 16 from peoples votes on this very site thus far. Hardly shooting the lights out

It a good thing we're not picking the team then :D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by northernblue -
Quote from: madbluboy – on
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Cowan
O. Hollands
Hof
Smith
Dean

We wont know how good these guys are for a while yet and we wont know how much better or worse we could have drafted out of those.

After 6 drafts he hasn't drafted an A grader yet.

You’re being disingenuous.
I pointed out that his first 4 he was trading picks for players, not drafting.
He’s really only drafted last year and this, and none have played yet.