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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by Lods -
How's this going....

Newman, Weitering, Cowan Haynes

Perhaps the surprise of the lot is Saad.
There's probably been a general feeling he's definitely in the twilight.
But a few still have faith, and I'll admit to having picked him.

I'm not sure that will still be the case at the end of the year, but for the start the spot is his to lose.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by Lods -
But all that's just personal preference, and a guess, isn't it.
The determining factor won't be what we think.
It will be determined by how they perform on the training track and in practice games and the style and structure we go with.

With an extended bench we're not restircted to 6, 6, 6
As a result Ainsworth doesn't have to replace Motlop...they can both play.
Fact is though, there are players that will have to miss out.
But that's a much preferable situation than not having enough players to fill spots.
So much depth :D  :D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by kruddler -
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@Lods....see above, perfect. Everyone's an upgrade at this stage of the season.

@DJC...
No way have we gained 7 best 23 players.
Even if you include players who missed last year through injury, i don't think you get 4 more via trades/draft.

Re harry dean,
Weitering is a lock.
Haynes should be as well.
Did Dean demand a spot of those 2 are there? Did it makes us too tall?
Some would have McGovern as the 3rd, did Dean take his spot? Gov can play smaller, can Dean?
Long term replacement for Haynes, sure, not sure it happens yet.
.... and don't tell me Haynes is playing on a wing

Newman, Kemp, Smith, Hayward, Florent, Ainsworth and Dean is seven best 23 players.

Experienced observers like Shifter have Dean playing in opening round.  He may not play exclusively on the opposition’s second KPF but he will have the measure of many.

We played Weitering, O’Farrell and Haynes (and Young) together in defence last season so why not substitute Dean for O’Farrell?  Far from making us too tall, it means we can match up well with most forward lines.

Haynes played on the wing in our last two games but I have him in defence in my team.

Kemp by default, but i see this as a weak link.
Newman will start there, but i don't expect him to end there, similar to docherty last year.
Hayward...maybe, with so many options, its personal preference.
Ainsworth, not in mine
Florent, not in mine...not sure who you are playing him instead of.
Dean, not in mine.....but concede he will play because we need to train him up for post-Haynes.
Jagga.....don't know yet, maybe

If Ainsworth makes it, it will be at the expense of someone like Motlop who is younger, and has more x-factor, but will probably end up walking.

So yeah, not even close to 7 IMO.
Half that basically, and that is 2.5 out of blokes already on our list.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by DJC -
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Nic Newman, Brodie Kemp and Jagga Smith coming back from injury adds to competition.

Established players like Florent, Hayward and Ainsworth add to competition.

An outstanding draftee in Harry Dean demands a spot in the 23.

Newbies like Chesser, Reidy, Ison and Byrne add to the competition for spots.

We’ve basically lost five first 23 players, three of whom were injury prone or unavailable, and replaced them with seven first 23 players and four players with the potential to demand a first 23 spot.

@Lods....see above, perfect. Everyone's an upgrade at this stage of the season.

@DJC...
No way have we gained 7 best 23 players.
Even if you include players who missed last year through injury, i don't think you get 4 more via trades/draft.

Re harry dean,
Weitering is a lock.
Haynes should be as well.
Did Dean demand a spot of those 2 are there? Did it makes us too tall?
Some would have McGovern as the 3rd, did Dean take his spot? Gov can play smaller, can Dean?
Long term replacement for Haynes, sure, not sure it happens yet.
.... and don't tell me Haynes is playing on a wing

Newman, Kemp, Smith, Hayward, Florent, Ainsworth and Dean is seven best 23 players.

Experienced observers like Shifter have Dean playing in opening round.  He may not play exclusively on the opposition’s second KPF but he will have the measure of many.

We played Weitering, O’Farrell and Haynes (and Young) together in defence last season so why not substitute Dean for O’Farrell?  Far from making us too tall, it means we can match up well with most forward lines.

Haynes played on the wing in our last two games but I have him in defence in my team.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by kruddler -
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I didn't pick him in my starting 6 and based on what i've done so far, i don't think i can fit him in on the bench either.

We can't fit our prized draft pick in the best 23.
Now that's what I call depth ;)  :D

Shows we are picking the wrong positions ;)
Will Hayward is now our #1 goal kicking option.  ::)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by Lods -
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I'm not sure what you mean Kruddler
We're well aware that the players we've brought in aren't perfect.
They have their strengths and limitations.

DJC saying we brought in 7 best 23 players is what i mean. All the players we brought in are still shiny and don't have scratches on them yet. Haven't done anything wrong, can't be criticised like other players on our list so 'automatically' are an upgrade on what we have.

I'm not sure that's the case.
The strengths and weaknesses of any new players to a club are pretty well scuitinised by supporters.
Sometimes to the detriment of the player.
"His disposals not great"....so every miskick is then exaggerated and becomes a bit of a cross to bear.
The players we've brought in may not necessarily be an upgrade on a 'one to one' basis, but they are definitely a point of difference, and it's the total effect on performance that is important.

e.g. Hayward isn't Charlie Curnow...but he provided his team with almost as many goals this year
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by kruddler -
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Re harry dean,
Weitering is a lock.
Haynes should be as well.
Did Dean demand a spot of those 2 are there? Did it makes us too tall?
Some would have McGovern as the 3rd, did Dean take his spot? Gov can play smaller, can Dean?
Long term replacement for Haynes, sure, not sure it happens yet.
.... and don't tell me Haynes is playing on a wing

How they handle Dean will be interesting.
I didn't have him in my backline when I did the 'starting line-up' exercise.
But I've read elsewhere he's expecting to play round 1.
It wouldn't surprise to see him starting off the bench.

While I don't expect him to start the year, I have little doubt he'll get an opportunity sooner or later and by the end of the year he may be a premanent fixture.
I expect him to play too, but i'm not convinced it is the best option for winning each week.
Long term, its fine to give him games now, we will need him.
Lineup wise, it may make us too tall down back.

I didn't pick him in my starting 6 and based on what i've done so far, i don't think i can fit him in on the bench either.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 2 - Starting 6 backmen (pick 6)
Last post by kruddler -
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@Lods....see above, perfect. Everyone's an upgrade at this stage of the season.
I'm not sure what you mean Kruddler
We're well aware that the players we've brought in aren't perfect.
They have their strengths and limitations.

DJC saying we brought in 7 best 23 players is what i mean. All the players we brought in are still shiny and don't have scratches on them yet. Haven't done anything wrong, can't be criticised like other players on our list so 'automatically' are an upgrade on what we have.