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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -I haven't come up with it on my own, its something that Ive gleaned from listening to the comments of Docherty where he mentioned he would have preferred someone more mature aged.
We did bring in Haynes, but that was a relative free hit given the price we paid. If the asking price was higher, we wouldnt have bothered I think.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -Mr speaker, I believe the senator is now changing his argument because he doesnt like the Irish lads.
My contention is that we prioritised bringing in young talent in order to pass the proverbial baton from the older guard that might have won us something, in an effort to build a younger layer to the team and prevent us from bottoming out. That group will come good about the time tassie joins (or not).
It puts our recruiting in a different perspective and thats all im aiming for.
Now ive given you a point, what point are you making kruddler?
We've recruited 8 players so far.
3x 18yo's at the draft
22yo
25yo
3x27yo's
=average age 23
We delisted/traded 11 players
3x 21yo
2x 23yo
1x 26yo
1x 27yo
2x 28yo
1x 30yo - Fantasia retiring
1x 32yo - Docherty retiring
=Average age 25
If we exclude the 2 retiring players
=Average age 24.
Given every team gets younger this time of year, i'm not sure we have done anything out of the ordinary.
Personally, i don't see as changing tact at all, or doing anything different to the norm.
TBH, i'm surprised we took as many 'older' players as we did.
It's not so much the age as the make-up of the list...but we did add Smith, O Farrell and the Camporeale's last year
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by madbluboy -R Pittonet Cripps Hewett
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by kruddler -
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -Mr speaker, I believe the senator is now changing his argument because he doesnt like the Irish lads.
My contention is that we prioritised bringing in young talent in order to pass the proverbial baton from the older guard that might have won us something, in an effort to build a younger layer to the team and prevent us from bottoming out. That group will come good about the time tassie joins (or not).
It puts our recruiting in a different perspective and thats all im aiming for.
Now ive given you a point, what point are you making kruddler?
We've recruited 8 players so far.
3x 18yo's at the draft
22yo
25yo
3x27yo's
=average age 23
We delisted/traded 11 players
3x 21yo
2x 23yo
1x 26yo
1x 27yo
2x 28yo
1x 30yo - Fantasia retiring
1x 32yo - Docherty retiring
=Average age 25
If we exclude the 2 retiring players
=Average age 24.
Given every team gets younger this time of year, i'm not sure we have done anything out of the ordinary.
Personally, i don't see as changing tact at all, or doing anything different to the norm.
TBH, i'm surprised we took as many 'older' players as we did.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -Ok then Senator, lets go back to what you quoted given you are so fixated on it:
Developing Kids who are playing ahead or on schedule.
Give us your interpretation of why that is wrong considering the Irish lads are playing VFL football?
Would that have them playing on schedule? Particularly when one of them suffered an ACL injury (yep that curse hit us on the speculative option as well) before he even arrived at the club!
Using Setanta O'Hailpin who was a mixed bag of "successful" he was recruited in 2004 spent the year in the VFL, made his debut in 2005 (his second season) and was introduced to a team that was dead last on the ladder at the time playing a grand total of 1 game.
Just to dot point this, how old were they when they made their AFL debut:
Zach Tuohy was 21 years old
Setanta O'Hailpin was 22 years old
The two Irish lads we have dont really have the same hype and fanfare I remember seeing about Tuohy and Setanta either, but guess what Rob is only 21, and Duffy coming back off an ACL injury is 22, so considering the ACL gives him an extra 12 months leeway, if either get a game at AFL level, one could logically conclude they are on schedule, particularly when you consider that they are joining a better outfit than the one Setanta joined anyway.
So now that we have established that, remove your fixation on that, and the fact that I have highlighted them solely as players who fit the bill of being young and developing. I didnt put any expectation on guys I havent seen at AFL level, because they are an as yet unknown quantity being judged by what they do at VFL level, and what attributes
Anyway, no doubt there will be another argument. Im not a fan of it, but we have been rebuilding on the down low which is probably why we had players walk last season, which is a testament to why they needed to go. Sometimes kids give you better than senior players. Just ask Brisbane.
Why are they 'on schedule' because they are playing VFL football?
What are they supposed to be doing, playing tiddlywinks??
You can compare them against whoever you want from the past, present and future and no 2 people will completely agree.
My opinion is they are too far behind everyone else they are competing against and will not make it based on how they are performing at VFL level.
Plenty of players, irish included, were showing more than these boys at the same point in time, some you mentioned.
Talk about O'hailpin, you mentioned Setanta but not Aisake. He had more agility, athleticism and even work ethic compared to our current 2 and he still couldn't crack it for a game.....and we had a worse side then too.
I'm still waiting for clarification on your contention/conclusion/point.
Mr speaker, I believe the senator is now changing his argument because he doesnt like the Irish lads.
My contention is that we prioritised bringing in young talent in order to pass the proverbial baton from the older guard that might have won us something, in an effort to build a younger layer to the team and prevent us from bottoming out. That group will come good about the time tassie joins (or not).
It puts our recruiting in a different perspective and thats all im aiming for.
Now ive given you a point, what point are you making kruddler?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Pick our team in parts - Part 1 - Starting Midfielders (inc 1 ruck) - CHOOSE 6
Last post by kruddler -Lets try picking our team in sections which will give us a good idea on who people think should play where as there are plenty of people who could be forward or back, midfield or otherwise.
So...
Part 1 - Choose starting 6 midfielders including 1 ruck.
Part 2 - 6 Backmen
Part 3 - 6 forwards
Part 4 - 5 bench (inc 2nd ruck if you deem necessary).
I will do part 2, 3, 4 after part 1 gives us clear (enough) favourites and eliminate those players from the options for subsequent parts.
All you need to worry about now, is who do you think is our best 6 starting midfielders?
Lets pick in position.
2 wingers, 3 mids, 1 ruck.
Have at it...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -Ok then Senator, lets go back to what you quoted given you are so fixated on it:
Developing Kids who are playing ahead or on schedule.
Give us your interpretation of why that is wrong considering the Irish lads are playing VFL football?
Would that have them playing on schedule? Particularly when one of them suffered an ACL injury (yep that curse hit us on the speculative option as well) before he even arrived at the club!
Using Setanta O'Hailpin who was a mixed bag of "successful" he was recruited in 2004 spent the year in the VFL, made his debut in 2005 (his second season) and was introduced to a team that was dead last on the ladder at the time playing a grand total of 1 game.
Just to dot point this, how old were they when they made their AFL debut:
Zach Tuohy was 21 years old
Setanta O'Hailpin was 22 years old
The two Irish lads we have dont really have the same hype and fanfare I remember seeing about Tuohy and Setanta either, but guess what Rob is only 21, and Duffy coming back off an ACL injury is 22, so considering the ACL gives him an extra 12 months leeway, if either get a game at AFL level, one could logically conclude they are on schedule, particularly when you consider that they are joining a better outfit than the one Setanta joined anyway.
So now that we have established that, remove your fixation on that, and the fact that I have highlighted them solely as players who fit the bill of being young and developing. I didnt put any expectation on guys I havent seen at AFL level, because they are an as yet unknown quantity being judged by what they do at VFL level, and what attributes
Anyway, no doubt there will be another argument. Im not a fan of it, but we have been rebuilding on the down low which is probably why we had players walk last season, which is a testament to why they needed to go. Sometimes kids give you better than senior players. Just ask Brisbane.
Why are they 'on schedule' because they are playing VFL football?
What are they supposed to be doing, playing tiddlywinks??
You can compare them against whoever you want from the past, present and future and no 2 people will completely agree.
My opinion is they are too far behind everyone else they are competing against and will not make it based on how they are performing at VFL level.
Plenty of players, irish included, were showing more than these boys at the same point in time, some you mentioned.
Talk about O'hailpin, you mentioned Setanta but not Aisake. He had more agility, athleticism and even work ethic compared to our current 2 and he still couldn't crack it for a game.....and we had a worse side then too.
I'm still waiting for clarification on your contention/conclusion/point.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -Developing Kids who are playing ahead or on schedule.
Give us your interpretation of why that is wrong considering the Irish lads are playing VFL football?
Would that have them playing on schedule? Particularly when one of them suffered an ACL injury (yep that curse hit us on the speculative option as well) before he even arrived at the club!
Using Setanta O'Hailpin who was a mixed bag of "successful" he was recruited in 2004 spent the year in the VFL, made his debut in 2005 (his second season) and was introduced to a team that was dead last on the ladder at the time playing a grand total of 1 game.
Just to dot point this, how old were they when they made their AFL debut:
Zach Tuohy was 21 years old
Setanta O'Hailpin was 22 years old
The two Irish lads we have dont really have the same hype and fanfare I remember seeing about Tuohy and Setanta either, but guess what Rob is only 21, and Duffy coming back off an ACL injury is 22, so considering the ACL gives him an extra 12 months leeway, if either get a game at AFL level, one could logically conclude they are on schedule, particularly when you consider that they are joining a better outfit than the one Setanta joined anyway.
So now that we have established that, remove your fixation on that, and the fact that I have highlighted them solely as players who fit the bill of being young and developing. I didnt put any expectation on guys I havent seen at AFL level, because they are an as yet unknown quantity being judged by what they do at VFL level, and what attributes
Anyway, no doubt there will be another argument. Im not a fan of it, but we have been rebuilding on the down low which is probably why we had players walk last season, which is a testament to why they needed to go. Sometimes kids give you better than senior players. Just ask Brisbane.