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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by LP -
Often the movement of one player depends on the form of another, just one player rising or falling can have a cascading effect.

Fans tend to look at the end result and identify it as the cause, but often the cause is something that happened much earlier in the background. An example hypothesis, maybe it was shifts in the form of McGovern, Kemp, Dean and Newman, and maybe Kemp and McGovern improving in F50, is caused by the contribution and eventual integration of Hayward, Florent, Evans and Ainsworth. That ultimately enable McKay to spend more time in the ruck, a cascade of small steps leads to a better overall outcome. I'd assert my hypothesis is much closer to reality than the "Fraser did it!" crew!

It's not lost on me that earlier in the season a lot of fans on here declared Hayward, Ainsworth and Florent a bust, many of the same critics are now Fraser boosters. Fans that cited poor disposal, bad decision making, errors, etc., etc., etc. as the reason for a bust. But it was obvious to anyone watching they were all winning plenty of footy, doing so surrounded by what at AFL standard was effectively a crew of strangers, a new team! Halfway through the season, it's all changed, and apparently "Fraser did it!"

It's not the single big miracle move that fans cling to, they see that after the fact, it's a bunch of small incremental changes over weeks that leads to the ultimate outcome.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by kruddler -
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2. Are we meant to believe 3 weeks flicked a switch?
Yes. It was said by every man and his dog, including Voss, Fraser, Wright and Davies....and the players.
This is not my words, this has come from the club. You don't want to believe, nothing i can do to change your mind.

You have mentioned this a few times. 

But I wouldnt hold any weight to these comments.  I mean what do you expect these guys to say?    They like Voss.  The players liked Voss.   He is a likeable person.   The bloke has just been given the arse.  Why would anyone speak poorly of him?   For what purpose?   He did some good things and lets celebrate them but lets not speak ill of the departed.   It would be a poor look

Ok so lets ride your train of thought and assume everyone complety made it up, ill even borrow LPs tin foil hat for the journey, how do you explain all the statiatical evidence that was floated at the time showing a shift in oir game plan? Did we conspire with the media as well and champion data as well?


Failing all that, just have a look at the brisbane game and how we played.

I even made a comment the week after saying that i saw no difference from the brisbane game to the dogs game apart from the opposition and others agreed.

But if you wanna put it all down to fraser and the circuit breaker, be my guest, i wont be agreeing with you. Ill back the clubs comments, the statistical evidence and my own eyes instead.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Hawthorn at MCG
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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There was a bit of talk in other places earlier tonight, before the teams were announced, that Flynn Riley may play.
He's named as a emergency so we still might see a late change....but it may be for Pittonet.
I was surprised Dean was back so soon, you never know.

I'm not. Did I hear he cut his hand opening a can of cat food?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by Shakin77 -
Quote from: kruddler – on
2. Are we meant to believe 3 weeks flicked a switch?
Yes. It was said by every man and his dog, including Voss, Fraser, Wright and Davies....and the players.
This is not my words, this has come from the club. You don't want to believe, nothing i can do to change your mind.

You have mentioned this a few times. 

But I wouldnt hold any weight to these comments.  I mean what do you expect these guys to say?    They like Voss.  The players liked Voss.   He is a likeable person.   The bloke has just been given the arse.  Why would anyone speak poorly of him?   For what purpose?   He did some good things and lets celebrate them but lets not speak ill of the departed.   It would be a poor look