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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -
You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard  to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.

The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.
Maybe, but it starts with the coach. You can have everything else in place, but if the coach isn't doing the job then it won't work. If the end it is all about what happens on the field and right now it is 11 wins from the last 38. If that isn't happening but nothing is happening. Not disagreeing totally with you, you have some points, but that's the bottom line. He has failed to evolve with the changing game, which is pretty obvious.

You can have issues with a crap club generally, which I think beat Teague, and Malthouse made mention of that not long ago in his time here, but sometimes coaching stands out more, as it has here and did going back to Bolton. Have to be aware of which is the greater over-riding issue. Vossy is basically done here. 11 from 38 says so.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by kruddler -


Jimbo, how many results would be turned simply by kicking straighter at goal?
Vossy isnt kicking the ball, nor is he picking the guys who is kicking the ball.

Suddenly you see how wins and losses is more than just the coach.
Past history should tell you that changing the coach hasnt solved our problems, so why do you think this is any different?

In fact his results are in line with the strength of the list we have.

I predicted a down year and told everybody to prepare for some poor results. After the chicken little / sky is falling jibes stopped, even my expectations have been let down. None pf our recruits have loved up to expectations and none cone close tp covering what we lost in the off season.

So why is vossy to blame if those things are outside his control?
You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard  to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.

The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.

Jimbo, how many results would be turned simply by kicking straighter at goal?
Vossy isnt kicking the ball, nor is he picking the guys who is kicking the ball.

Suddenly you see how wins and losses is more than just the coach.
Past history should tell you that changing the coach hasnt solved our problems, so why do you think this is any different?

In fact his results are in line with the strength of the list we have.

I predicted a down year and told everybody to prepare for some poor results. After the chicken little / sky is falling jibes stopped, even my expectations have been let down. None pf our recruits have loved up to expectations and none cone close tp covering what we lost in the off season.

So why is vossy to blame if those things are outside his control?
You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard  to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
You assume or suspect  "he is not resonating", you don't know it to be fact.
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.
All opinion not factual. The above opinion might be shared by many, doesnt make it fact.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by kruddler -
You assume or suspect  "he is not resonating", you don't know it to be fact.
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.

Jimbo, how many results would be turned simply by kicking straighter at goal?
Vossy isnt kicking the ball, nor is he picking the guys who is kicking the ball.

Suddenly you see how wins and losses is more than just the coach.
Past history should tell you that changing the coach hasnt solved our problems, so why do you think this is any different?

In fact his results are in line with the strength of the list we have.

I predicted a down year and told everybody to prepare for some poor results. After the chicken little / sky is falling jibes stopped, even my expectations have been let down. None pf our recruits have loved up to expectations and none cone close tp covering what we lost in the off season.

So why is vossy to blame if those things are outside his control?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -
We've won 11 from  38. Sometimes you time up simply up and his message isn't resonating anymore. Gave us a thrill for 2 years and 16 games,  and may have got a flag in 2023 if we didn't have to go to the Gabba or we went to Ed's place 5 weeks earlier, but once you've stopped resonating with the players with you message, that it's. Happens to many coaches, some after 5 years, some after 15 years. Hardwick worked that out in his dying days at Richmond and was smart enough to get out. When your times up, your times up.
You assume or suspect  "he is not resonating", you don't know it to be fact.
Only have to watch football and look at the results. Pretty easy for most to work out. 11 wins from 38 probably tells a story in itself. Take the agenda away and you will see that. In the end it is wins and losses. That's the best story. Can't be argued.