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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game Discussion Round 13 Suns v Carlton in Darwin.
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Off the top of my head i think its because we've played st kilda a few times on monday nights.
Its not about DAYS, its about the opponent. Fridays are a harder opponent than Mondays. Thats the way the AFL run things for ratings

EDIT: We've played St. Kilda 5 times from our last 6 monday night games. For a 3-2 record.
We also beat Geelong, Brisbane and Richmond for the other 3 games.


2014   R8   St Kilda
2013   R7   St Kilda
2012   R7   St Kilda
2011   R7   St Kilda
2010   R5   Geelong
2010   R7   St Kilda
2000   R1   Brisbane Lions
2000   R7   Richmond
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game Discussion Round 13 Suns v Carlton in Darwin.
Last post by kruddler -
I wonder if this says something about how professionally we recover, or the toll our game plans take on the team!
Off the top of my head i think its because we've played st kilda a few times on monday nights.
Its not about DAYS, its about the opponent. Fridays are a harder opponent than Mondays. Thats the way the AFL run things for ratings

EDIT: We've played St. Kilda 5 times from our last 6 monday night games. For a 3-2 record.
We also beat Geelong, Brisbane and Richmond for the other 3 games.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast
Last post by LP -
I think with Simmo, sMurph and some others on the retirement slide it's too early to call on these guys, they are potentially part of the jigsaw puzzle that makes a balanced team.

As it stands, we probably need one of O'Brien or Stocker to come good as the distributor off the HBF, guys who in addition to Weitering came kick the eyes out of a Crow at 50m.

They might not be Simmo replacements, in the Simmo/Hunter style, but they won't kick 8 out of 10 straight back to the opposition either.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast
Last post by kruddler -
Obriens weapon at U18 level was his kicking......everyone loves a leftie who can kick the big penetrating ball into the forward line.
However at senior level he has struggled, kicks the odd good one but then sends a few out on the full and undoes whatever good passes he has made. Like Dow has also struggled to get the ball and doesnt like the extra physicality both receiving and trying to tackle the bigger bodies.
He was the scribes pick at 10 but I struggled to get excited about him, if you look at 2017 it was a very uninspiring draft with plenty of misses from a few clubs...Tim Kelly the standout who was on the radar of SOS but it was going to be a brave recruiter to take a WAFL player at pick 10 after the Boekhorst debacle.
I guess my point is we made a decent investment in Dow and Obrien and I'd like to see a return if possible and we need to play them to see what they can deliver ahead of a player like Cottrell who might be a handy player but we really need the other two on show to see where their futures are with list sizes being squeezed..

Kenny Rogers said it best in regards to OBrien....
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run

I don't see any value in holding OBrien at this stage. If his '1 thing' is no longer a thing....then what are we doing here?

From my what type of player thread i started, i selected an outside mid with good kicking as our greatest need. OBrien can supposedly fit that bill, but cannot get a game. Says plenty.

Kenny can take it from here....

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
I agree from that second lot they will be in line for a new job next year....but i can at least see why you might get excited about them. Shifter Sheehan says you must have '1 thing' to set you apart from others. That '1 thing' will get you drafted. I can see that 1' thing' with them.....unfortunately there isn't much else.

I don't know what that '1 thing' with Obrien is.
I know he was taken at 10, but i don't know why. He got games because he was a pick 10, but i didn't really see his '1 thing' in any of those games
Obriens weapon at U18 level was his kicking......everyone loves a leftie who can kick the big penetrating ball into the forward line.
However at senior level he has struggled, kicks the odd good one but then sends a few out on the full and undoes whatever good passes he has made. Like Dow has also struggled to get the ball and doesnt like the extra physicality both receiving and trying to tackle the bigger bodies.
He was the scribes pick at 10 but I struggled to get excited about him, if you look at 2017 it was a very uninspiring draft with plenty of misses from a few clubs...Tim Kelly the standout who was on the radar of SOS but it was going to be a brave recruiter to take a WAFL player at pick 10 after the Boekhorst debacle.
I guess my point is we made a decent investment in Dow and Obrien and I'd like to see a return if possible and we need to play them to see what they can deliver ahead of a player like Cottrell who might be a handy player but we really need the other two on show to see where their futures are with list sizes being squeezed..
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast
Last post by kruddler -
I'm far from head of the Obrien fan club and agree he hasnt shown much but he was a pick 10, had the reputation as a good ball user and decision maker at U18 level . Dow has been injured and is a terrible kick but again I want to see him in the team ahead of a limited defensive player like Cottrell.
Polson was a ordinary draft selection and like Lang wont be with us very long...Moore will be joining them on Jobseeker.
I'm a fan of Fisher and have been since watching him at the U18 Carnival games lets hope he has got over his injuries and loss of form.

I agree from that second lot they will be in line for a new job next year....but i can at least see why you might get excited about them. Shifter Sheehan says you must have '1 thing' to set you apart from others. That '1 thing' will get you drafted. I can see that 1' thing' with them.....unfortunately there isn't much else.

I don't know what that '1 thing' with Obrien is.
I know he was taken at 10, but i don't know why. He got games because he was a pick 10, but i didn't really see his '1 thing' in any of those games
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game Discussion Round 13 Suns v Carlton in Darwin.
Last post by Gointocarlton -
2 things.

1. They usually have big games on friday nights. So teams who are finals bound usually get at least 1 spot, if not 2. Given we have never really been finals bound in recent history, it means we are coming up against a higher ranked opponent.

2. We haven't really won any games in recent years at all! Friday, saturday, sunday......thursday....i think we have a good record on mondays, but not sure.
Since 2000, 460 games, 169 wins
Mon 6 wins out of 8 (75%)
Tue 0 wins  out of 0
Wed 0 wins out of 0
Thu 7 wins out of 20 (35%)
Fri 21 wins out of 68 (31%)
Sat 80 wins out of 213 (38%)
Sun 55 wins out of 151 (36%)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Obrien is a player that has never really shown 'it' in my book.

Cottrell is a running beast.
Fisher is agile, quick and slippery.
Dow has some smarts and bursts from packs ala Judd
Even some others...
Polson has speed
Lang has smarts
Moore has athletic ability for his height

Obrien has......what?


I'm far from head of the Obrien fan club and agree he hasnt shown much but he was a pick 10, had the reputation as a good ball user and decision maker at U18 level . Dow has been injured and is a terrible kick but again I want to see him in the team ahead of a limited defensive player like Cottrell.
Polson was a ordinary draft selection and like Lang wont be with us very long...Moore will be joining them on Jobseeker.
I'm a fan of Fisher and have been since watching him at the U18 Carnival games lets hope he has got over his injuries and loss of form.