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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -The perception of a bias possibly exposes a misunderstanding of the generalised mandatory reporting that is in place in Victoria, that is not the same in other states by the way, at least not yet.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but my understanding the Vic child protection act requires it for all child or youth crime, while and the public assume mandatory reporting only means mandatory reporting of child abuse. That means in Vic the mandatory reporting laws mean mandatory reporting of all children and youths involved in crime as well, they assume a child or youth involved in crime is a victim of some circumstance.
That is not the case in all Australian states, where officers have discretion over reporting in many cases, it's one of the big Federal issues to get it all standardized in the long term. Uniforms laws and reporting across Australia, but it's not there yet.
If you are in doubt, you can always get it clarified by Bec Judd!
You're on the wrong track there LP.
Mandatory reporting in Victoria requires certain professionals like doctors, nurses, teachers, police, etc to report evidence or belief of child physical or sexual abuse to child protection authorities. There's no requirement to report crimes committed by children.
However, there are significant inconsistencies across jurisdictions when it comes to "child crime". For example, the age of criminal responsibility is 10 for Commonwealth offences and in New South Wales, Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia, Northern Territory, and Tasmania, 12 in Victoria, and 14 in the ACT. In all jurisdictions, it's still the prosecution's responsibility to prove that children under 14 could distinguish between right and wrong. From 14 to 17, children are presumed to understand right and wrong, but are subject to milder sanctions than adults.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by Professer E -4
Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -I'm happy to be proven wrong, but my understanding the Vic child protection act requires it for all child or youth crime, while and the public assume mandatory reporting only means mandatory reporting of child abuse. That means in Vic the mandatory reporting laws mean mandatory reporting of all children and youths involved in crime as well, they assume a child or youth involved in crime is a victim of some circumstance.
That is not the case in all Australian states, where officers have discretion over reporting in many cases, it's one of the big Federal issues to get it all standardized in the long term. Uniforms laws and reporting across Australia, but it's not there yet.
If you are in doubt, you can always get it clarified by Bec Judd!
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 5 2026 Carlton vs North Melbourne @ North
Last post by kruddler -B: 21 H. Cordner, 49 M. Hendrie
HB: 14 S. O'Connell, 36 C. Fitzgerald, 1 A. Velardo
C: 11 Y. Duursma, 4 C. Whitfort, 17 D. Finn
HF: 7 P. Scholz, 20 L. Goss, 25 K. Sherar
F: 35 N. Morris-Dalton, 23 L. Keck
R: 12 J. Good, 10 M. Hill, 5 A. McKay
IC: 24 B. Vickers, 19 E. Fitzpatrick, 42 T. Bohanna, 13 A. Reidy, 22 B. Boileau, 6 G. Pound, 8 L. Baxter, 30 K. Bischa
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by madbluboy -7
The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by kruddler -Gov, Walshy, Crippa, Cottrell, Weitering, i think a couple others. Also reckon i saw Jamo next to Crippa. Perhaps the rumours of him coming to take over from diesel are true.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Yes, I generally agree. There's a reason why you need tertiary qualifications to become a Criminologist - understanding the nature of crime, how crime is documented, recorded, categorized, being able to make sense of long term and short term trends etc is pretty tough.
The public always comments based on a generalisation, and politicians often play on this even when they blatantly know otherwise, like Hansen bringing her Qld specific issues into the Vic elections!
But we have a bunch of lunatics running around claiming sovereignty or refusing authorities based on constitutional rights.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -It is a curious link, thanks Paul. Curious in that:
- Not all the breakdown of crimes by states has a graph, so it is hard to see longer term trends
- All the graphs should also include another line - crimes per 100,000 (some of the stats have the comparative)
- Commentary on Vic MV theft says while it has gone up by 11% from last year, hasn't reached the highs of 2001 - maybe that's a target!
Maybe we should all go into permanent lockdown - crime rates seemed low in 2021!
Crime will always be a problem and society should be a safe place for all. However, all those that take part in recreational drugs, and purchase illicit tobacco do contribute. Is it OK for people to look for a headline or screaming match to shout about it without willing to be an actual part of a solution?
What is an 'acceptable' rate of crime - it's always going to exist?
What are the actual policies of the political parties around Law and Order? What is their realism - are they just motherhood statements to make us feel as if they are going address the issues? What are policies around preventation, incarcerations and post-release.
Yes, I generally agree. There's a reason why you need tertiary qualifications to become a Criminologist - understanding the nature of crime, how crime is documented, recorded, categorized, being able to make sense of long term and short term trends etc is pretty tough.
From what I can tell, crime rates are at best minimally impacted by whether Labor or Liberal is in power, and at worst crime rates are pretty much independent. All this business about Labor being "soft on crime", Liberal being tough on law and order etc, feels like pretty shallow and vapid propaganda to me.
Regarding the sentence in bold, I would add, what is the difference between "being" safe and "feeling" safe ? Since humans moved beyond living in small kinship units to larger population centers where you were side by side with people you didn't know, I'd imagine there's always been some crime. You can never have a 0% crime rate. So as you say, what rate would make people feel safe ? When is crime "under control" and when is it going gangbusters ? These are not in any way east questions to answer.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by LP -
Those are the 'fans' who turn up because its an event. Any actual fan would know you ain't seeing $h!t from there.
NFL venues are like a billiard table, and the closest seats sit about 2m above the playing surface.