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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Geelong at MCG
Last post by Adelaideblue -
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Couldn've brought in Zac Williams for Byrne. But, hey, Williams is an emergency and Byrne stayed in. Have 6 blokes under 12 games in.

Keep trying.

Why drop Derkson though? What did he do wrong?
Why not Haynes?

I must watch different games Kurds, in both our Adelaide Oval games I thought Haynes played well.  Yes can have some rough patches early, in games, but as progressed I thought Haynes became our saving sweeper down back. Yes Derksen promising performance last week. Sometimes feel he is a risk with his lay it off kicks out to the flank, as not always pin point. Could come undone against a team like Geelong.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -
Institutions can be schools of crime.
The kids make contacts and meet up after release.
They talk about their crimes and contacts.
We had strict rule in school that talking about their offences was not allowed.
We used to joke a bit about the opportunities that we were giving them in terms of the education and sporting programs suggesting we were developing a bigger, stronger, smarter young offender.
I'd still like to believe we did make some differences and I have to say that many of those I met after they'd left the institutions had some pretty positive stories to tell.
Of course there was also the ones you read about in the papers that weren't so positive.

I'm also a big supporter of alternatives to institutions like some type of 'bush/farm' school.
They've been tried in the past.
But you have to be really careful with those types of experiments and ensure the right staffing and controls or you can end up with a bit of a horror show.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Geelong at MCG
Last post by Sexybronco -
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I don't mind holding the kids back a little in a game like this.
So while BenC and Charleson should get an opportunity soon, it's probably not a game for first gamers with number of other inexperienced guys playing.
This will be difficult.
We have matched up well in the past but they're going as well as anyone.
Agree Lods, we’ve got enough kids playing at the moment all of whom have earnt the right to play, we shouldn’t be compromising our chances to win with special look at in be selections.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Lods -
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Lods, i'm not on my own in my views.
This is not about me vs the world.
You keep pointing out the 50% split.
But when i post my thoughts, it counts for 0.001% Where is the other 49.999% that dont agree with you? Where did they just vanish too??

I'm not sure what you mean.
I'm guessing just from an observation of Carlton forums and face book pages that there was probably a fairly even split regarding replacing Voss and extending him.
It's one of the reasons that I don't put a lot of store in the fact that supporters had as big an influence in the decision as some may feel.

I've said you probably have as much support for your views as those opposing them.
But the tack you're taking suggests that everyone (with a bit of reducation) would be swayed to the revolution.
The reality is with passing time, people will put it behind them surprisingly, quickly and move on to the new era.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Lods -
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Did Voss's demise reflect greatly on those who chose him.
We'll forget who was even on the panel in the three to four years a new coach will get.
Wright will be the only one in the gun (if he is still there)...because it's pretty apparent  that he's the one making the calls.
He's our new villain for some.

I already pointed out that Priestly wiped his hands of any blame of the appointment of Voss.....despite being part of the board, as was Diesel.....and they are not alone.
So while YOU might forget who made the calls, plenty of others will remember. Possibly the same people making noise now.

I find it funny that you plead ignorance to the those who made the previous call, but blind faith in those that are making this one....its the same people.....at least in part.

But like many sheep in the past.....THIS time it will be different.  ::)

I have no problems with the folks who picked Voss.
It was a judgement made with the best info at the time.
I'll have no problem with those who choose the next coach
(But I have a feeling it may already be down to  very short list)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Lods -
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#1 strategy is to point out the issues with the club to people like yourself that continue following based on blind faith.
You've pointed them out more than once.
But you have a very limited audience.
I just don't feel the same as you do.
The club will not give you a lot of attention, because they will be getting feedback that opposes your views.
I've pointed out before that you can't tell people how to support.
People will make up their own mind.

If enough people realise the problems with the club, the more likely it is to bring about enough noise to make a difference.

That suggests you don't have room for an alternative view.
That's 'lecturing' your own perceptions.
...and smacks of your views being superior.
Folks won't embrace that, in fact it's likely to turn them off.

I'm not in a position to try and oust the board personaly, nor do i think anyone else in here is. But its like when people go to the polls in an election.....every vote counts. Well every voice counts, eventually it may lead to a change.
But we're speaking with a 100,00 different voices. Not everyone thinks the same as you do

#2 strategy would be providing appropriate feedback from club surveys and the like. Get enough people being negative and they have to take notice.

Use the media, , social media, talkback radio etc.

People do exactly that, and if that really does have an effect it may be one of the reasons that changes have occurred.
Because some of the talkback this year has been savage.
Don't we want the club to ignore the outside noise.
Or does that only apply to our views.

How did Sydney supporters get Roos hired despite the fact Wallace had signed a contract?
It is possible.

Not sure what you're asking for here.
Do you want the club to give the new coach (and others) as much time as it takes to win a flag.
Roos was a change that was result driven.
It was a change that had an immediate time frame attached.
Changes in the way the club operates isn't as straight forward, and doesn't have the same fixed time frame.

But....if people just suck it up, lube up and bend over.....nothing is going to change.

This is the part you can't seem to grasp.
Not everyone feels the same.
Many are quite happy and looking forward to see how things develop.


You bring up the point that an umpire won't change their decision. This is true.
However, if the umpire hears the roar of the crowd and the boos when people see a replay, he realises that he probably made the wrong decision, and next time a similar thing occurs, he may do it differently. Without the 'noise' of the crowd....nothing changes.

So....make some noise!

I don't want to.
I'm interested in what the future looks like with new coaches and new recruiters
And as time goes by the feelings of anger will change to ones of acceptance and we'll all move on.