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Reply #15
This is not an unusual phenomenon in sports.

This idea that the girls are only like this is the real issue regarding how we treat men and women.
I have not had enough to do with girls in team sport outside of footy or cricket to know the global answer to that question. I think it may be different for team events that are built on individual efforts like swimming, tennis or golf, etc., etc.. Even cricket seemed to suffer it less, but it's a much smaller tighter squad and the on field comes down to bat versus ball.

But I can say I've never seen anything in male footy teams like what goes on around and about the female footy teams, and changing a pronoun or two in the female squad makes bugger all difference.

In the men you get individual blokes that outright hate each other off the pitch for a variety of reasons, but it rarely persists and I've never seen it form a clique or seen blokes made a persona non grata like you find in a girls team. Of course you can see certain trouble players kicked out of any squad, like Carey at Norp, but this is not what we are talking about.

Which is why I chose the term clique.
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Reply #16
I have not had enough to do with girls in team sport outside of footy or cricket to know the global answer to that question. I think it may be different for team events that are built on individual efforts like swimming, tennis or golf, etc., etc.. Even cricket seemed to suffer it less, but it's a much smaller tighter squad and the on field comes down to bat versus ball.

But I can say I've never seen anything in male footy teams like what goes on around and about the female footy teams, and changing a pronoun or two in the female squad makes bugger all difference.

In the men you get individual blokes that outright hate each other off the pitch for a variety of reasons, but it rarely persists and I've never seen it form a clique or seen blokes made a persona non grata like you find in a girls team. Of course you can see certain trouble players kicked out of any squad, like Carey at Norp, but this is not what we are talking about.

Which is why I chose the term clique.
Nth was a clique when Carey was at its peak, he ran the playing group with his henchman and everyone knew their place and it strangely worked and was sanctioned by the coach and admin. I dont follow the womens comp that closely  but if you rip the heart out of the list like has what happened at Carlton and lose experience/talent then you quickly get the remaining players looking after their own survival and forgetting about the team.
Harford will be the fall guy but he hasnt done much wrong apart from being in the job at the wrong time of the clubs journey and being left with no star players to do the job with. Very hard to draft a team at this embryonic stage of the womens comp and you need to buy the best players like back when the mens team were successful and we used form fours to grab the best talent along with brown paper bags of cash.

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Reply #17
I'd be really suprised if cliques weren't a major issue for our men's side in the last twenty years.

I'd say they also played a part in the demise of a coach or two.

And that may go a long way to explaining our lack of success.

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Reply #18
I'd be really suprised if cliques weren't a major issue for our men's side in the last twenty years.

I'd say they also played a part in the demise of a coach or two.

And that may go a long way to explaining our lack of success.
I eluded to it before when i mentioned Bri Daveys name and non-halford issues.

Story goes she was promised a car (Sponsored by Hyundai) but that promise was not fulfilled for whatever reason, she got dirty because of it and put her offside. Then we basically sacked her girlfriend, supposedly in a manner that was deemed harsh and/or unfairly and that was the final straw.

The other players leaving are for a variety of reasons, expansion and $$$'s a big one, but not fitting within the team and/or losing the trust of the team being causing the demise of one of our highest profile departures.

Harford may or may (or may not) have been responsible for pissing a few players off and them wanting out, but IMO if a player doesn't want to do what the coach is required, we are better off moving them on. We don't need white ants.

But yes, Bri Davey leaving was separate to the others.

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Reply #19
re cliques, happens in the mens game too. Think about the story about why Malthouse chose Maxwell as the captain of Collingwood - to unite the cliques.

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Reply #20
re cliques, happens in the mens game too. Think about the story about why Malthouse chose Maxwell as the captain of Collingwood - to unite the cliques.
Same at Geelong with Harley....results show you can still have success with cliques if you know how to manage them.

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Reply #21
Cliques are everywhere.  Jack Martin is straight back into the team every time for a reason.  Fisher, Martin and Cripps have a little tight nit group going on, and Id wager they play more than not.

It happens everywhere.  Usually you got to be good as well as in the clique, but if not it can help you get a game.
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Reply #22
Cliques are everywhere.  Jack Martin is straight back into the team every time for a reason.  Fisher, Martin and Cripps have a little tight nit group going on, and Id wager they play more than not.
Not sure fans disagreeing with MC decisions is hard evidence of a clique! ;D
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Reply #23
Not sure fans disagreeing with MC decisions is hard evidence of a clique! ;D
True...the MC have provided plenty of evidence over the journey that just plain stupidity at times in selections is more of a natural occurrence than anything suspicious. However Zac Fisher went through a period where he couldnt get near the footy but was persisted with and Id be tempted to suggest having the Captain as your best buddy at the club didnt do him any harm in terms of keeping his place in the 22.
re: Martin...test will be when his contract expires, no way he should get a new deal given his erratic form and the fact he only plays 2/3 of the season due to injury if his career continues like it has over the years. If he got a 2-3 year deal then fans would be asking questions....

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Reply #24
Not sure fans disagreeing with MC decisions is hard evidence of a clique! ;D

No, it isn't but they aren't all the same either.

Eddie, Jeff and yarran had a little clique going with mitch Robinson too back then.

Ive seen them at every team ive ever been involved in across my sporting life and the one thing ill tell you is that whilst they don't dictate who plays they can influence it, and they aren't necessarily bad things either.

The best teams are simply one giant clique.


This circles me back to my original point.  Women are no more or less capable of this caniving behaviour than males are.

I think that males are less likely to flip flop surrounding it.
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Reply #25
When Lods asked me if I’d take on a moderator role, he didn’t mention that it was very like trying to herd cats 🙄

How does a thread about the review of our AFLW program take in Jack Martin’s contract and imaginary cliques going back to the days of the three amigos? 🤔

We have one board for AFLW topics.  Let’s try to limit the discussion here to women’s footy … or should that be non-male footy?

I hope I haven’t sent this thread off on another tangent 🙂
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Reply #26
When Lods asked me if I’d take on a moderator role, he didn’t mention that it was very like trying to herd cats 🙄

How does a thread about the review of our AFLW program take in Jack Martin’s contract and imaginary cliques going back to the days of the three amigos? 🤔

We have one board for AFLW topics.  Let’s try to limit the discussion here to women’s footy … or should that be non-male footy?

I hope I haven’t sent this thread off on another tangent 🙂

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Reply #27
When Lods asked me if I’d take on a moderator role, he didn’t mention that it was very like trying to herd cats 🙄

How does a thread about the review of our AFLW program take in Jack Martin’s contract and imaginary cliques going back to the days of the three amigos? 🤔

We have one board for AFLW topics.  Let’s try to limit the discussion here to women’s footy … or should that be non-male footy?

I hope I haven’t sent this thread off on another tangent 🙂
here i was making a case for females not being treated like inferior backstabbers because the men do it too, and using tangible examples from our own sordid past to do so, and then seeing it become a moderation point.

This is how you fight for women not to be denigrated and being treated with the respect they deserve.

Am I from a different planet or something? Or has the world gone politically correctly stupid?
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Reply #28
Am I from a different planet or something? Or has the world gone politically correctly stupid?
Obviously not, obviously so!

You've read too much into the commentary, and then built an argument that is somehow trying to justify one wrong with another!
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Reply #29
Obviously not, obviously so!

You've read too much into the commentary, and then built an argument that is somehow trying to justify one wrong with another!
no the stereotype of catty females form bitchy circles is what im challenging.  Guys can be bitches (and are) too.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson