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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #60
He was well beaten tonight.
Really? I didn't think so.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #61
Well we should give a 3rd pick + Williams + 30% of salary to whoever wants to take him.

Enough is enough.
Ill second that, problem is no one will take him.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #62
Well he can't defend and should not be in our backline.
Been tried in the midfield and that was a disaster.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #63
re: Williams......a nervous player when played down back and and when you add Young plus two inexperienced defenders in Cowan and Cincotta it puts a lot of pressure on Weitering to be the glue thats holds the backline together.
I think Williams has to play on the weakest small forward and never on the last line close to goal and my preference if he has to play is on the wing where he use his skillset to carry the ball and deliver and be removed from having to mind a man.
I cant see him in the team when we have our full crew back and ditto for Fantasia and Durdin.
He doesn't have the engine or the brute strength to play the modern wingers role (ie Acres and Cottrell).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #64
We badly miss Docherty. He is a steadying influence and he does the clutch things that win and save games.

We miss Jack Silvagni, because he can do all sorts of the jobs.
Our 3 tall forwards are not the problem in themselves, although I was bitterly disappointed in Charlie tonight. He doesn't work hard enough when he doesn't have the ball. It was really obvious. And when he could have stood up, he was beaten in one on ones and the ball left our forward line too easily. The problem with our forward setup is that our smalls are not keeping the ball in and they're not being dangerous.
H played a great game, but his last kick into the forward line probably lost us the game. Had he been able to get his kick to advantage of one of our players, we would have won the game than and there. Instead, he turned it over and the ball went up the other end. Hell, if he'd bombed it and he scored a point, it might have been enough. But just giving it away was lethal.

One of the things that was really obvious was our lack of leg speed.
Another was that we didn't tag Nick Daicos. Smother Daicos and they lose that midfield drive.



Spot on. Charlie is either carrying something or lazy. His attack on the ball in space or chasing someoe with the ball is non existent. I'm hoping he is injured because it was terrible. Also 1:1 contests down the wing, be in front please....
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #65
We badly miss Docherty. He is a steadying influence and he does the clutch things that win and save games.

We miss Jack Silvagni, because he can do all sorts of the jobs.
Our 3 tall forwards are not the problem in themselves, although I was bitterly disappointed in Charlie tonight. He doesn't work hard enough when he doesn't have the ball. It was really obvious. And when he could have stood up, he was beaten in one on ones and the ball left our forward line too easily. The problem with our forward setup is that our smalls are not keeping the ball in and they're not being dangerous.
H played a great game, but his last kick into the forward line probably lost us the game. Had he been able to get his kick to advantage of one of our players, we would have won the game than and there. Instead, he turned it over and the ball went up the other end. Hell, if he'd bombed it and he scored a point, it might have been enough. But just giving it away was lethal.

One of the things that was really obvious was our lack of leg speed.
Another was that we didn't tag Nick Daicos. Smother Daicos and they lose that midfield drive.
Charlie seems very clumsy at the moment, he is horribly out of form. His touch seems to have abandoned him. He used to turn blokes inside out at will. Still, hard to pot superstars when you have so many non contributors.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #66
Think we’re due for a players meeting at Ed Curnows house. We were outworked, made poor decisions at critical moments and worryingly we seem to have lost the ability to switch the play, shift the opposition defence and then take on the corridor kick.

Our lack of depth and durability is also killing us - we simply can’t keep carrying 6 players who miss a big chunk of most years (Marchbank, McGovern, Williams, Martin, Cunningham, Fantasia) and expect to compete.  4 or more of that group have to go and we should also stamp the papers of Young whilst we are at it.

Our depth is probably ok as we push the best with half a side out. I'm more worried about the manner of losses. Been very disappointed in the workrate. In each loss we have lost it more than the other side winning it. What was the pressure rating of 145 in the 2nd qtr. Be a near record low. That was the qtr the actual game was lost. Just not switching on as we should. A decent 2nd qtr for us and the Pies were done.

A couple of those 6 we don't need but the rest, well, we need badly right now.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #67
A pretty good effort considering we were down three players for most of the evening - small Durds, Fantasia & Williams were liabilities. And Chugga being the sub was silly.

I thought the backline, considering the number of Rottingwood forward entries and Williams gifting them goals, did really well.

Again with a fifteen minute lapse in concentration in the 2nd qtr - in hindsight, that's when we lost too much. We were 'hunted' and wilted.

Presently, we're where we belong on the ladder, but just a fleas eyelash from top 4, especially with better small forward talent - Motlop, Martin & Fogarty.

I wonder if George H was a bit crook with the flu, not his usual standard? And not enough from Cunners.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #68
Voss didn't seem too upset in his post match presser.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #69
Walsh, Harry, Pitto, Cripps basically played four quarters with an opponent arm around their waist like Williams did to Elliott, and not one free for it.

5 clearances in the opening quarter, then the umpires went back to the old ruck rules, that is adjudication by opinion. TDK gets penalised if he jumps at opponents like Cox started jumping at Pitto.
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #70
When Pitto was in the ruck, he had the better of the Collingwood talls and he provided most of our clearances. he didn't do a lot around the ground, but he didn't let the Collingwood rucks do much either.
Pitto was our best ruck by far.

Tom had a shocker in the ruck. The few taps he got went straight to Collingwood players. Cameron, in particular, dominated him and got most of his taps against him.
In the forward line, however, Tom had a great day. He was a dangerous target all night, kicking 2 and missing one. He got the ball around the ground quite a bit, but fumbled just so much. He couldn't take a mark around the ground to save his life, tonight, and marking is one of his strengths.

I wouldn't be discarding Pitto. He had 15 possessions and 6 clearances! Granted that he wasn't as effective as he has been: Collingwood worked out some tactics that minimized our mids' effectiveness. In particular, they made Cripps play to his weaknesses instead of his strengths.

If the whole match was played inside the centre square Pittonet would be the best in the comp but sadly for him there is a whole ground to cover.
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #71
In the cold light of day....
What a difference a goal makes. ;)

If we'd won that game narrowly, or even drawn it, the reponse would be completely different.

We didn't, and it seems to have stung....
-because it was Collingwood.
-because it was only a goal.
-because it was kicked by the opposition player who needed watching more than any other.

One of the things that stood out was that when Collingwood went forward it looked very similar to the way Geelong attacked last week so obviously there's been a bit of homework done.
But that poor defensive display is probably due in a large part to missing personnel. We're desperately missing Saad and McGovern. It also doesn't help when the pressure in the middle and foward is lacking.

There's lots of criticism of the lesser lights in our side, probably fair, but it was also our better, more experienced players who didn't really fire.

Curnow is kicking his share of goals but his second efforts are disappointing.
Pittonet started like a house on fire but once he went off with that knock his influence waned.
(It was actually around that time the Pies gained control)
Williams is not a defender. He spent most of the time watching and manhandling his opponent rather than the ball. He doesn't have the tank for mid-field, and I'm not sure what he could offer a forward line where defensive nous is also a priority for us. I did notice him looking and favouring his ankle at one stage. I'm not sure that achilles is 100%, but with a hamstring injury he's likely to miss a few anyway.

One funny (not so funny) aspect of last night's game was the number of our absolute poor kicks that were sprayed or went straight into another player. That was probably due to pressure at the ball and the inclination to just get ball to foot and hack it out.

We're in a block of games where we are playing top sides. It was always going to be a difficult period and it's been made even more so by missing key players.
We've got within a goal of the premiers, who are just hitting their straps, and we played with many of our players well below their best in terms of skills and intensity.
They were missing a few key players. We were missing more.

Lots to work on, but plenty to work with, especially as players return.


Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #72
If the whole match was played inside the centre square Pittonet would be the best in the comp but sadly for him there is a whole ground to cover.

2 tackles - 1 mark for a ruck playing 70% of the game isn't good enough. Need more than just 30 taps.. lost it due to lack of run - all three losses have been the same way. Filth had three players tackling one Blue because they had superior ground coverage.. not to mention Darcy Cameron was taking important marks in his defensive half. I am not sure how many more games we need to lose in the same manner before the penny drops. Guys like Cripps & Hewett struggle when the opposing team cover the ground like they do.

 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #73
Fantasia is not only not influencing games positively (cant get the ball and hit the scoreboard), his lack of heart is impacting the games negatively as well.
I saw him shirt hand/short arm it on 2-3 occasions last night.....which is a lot considering how little he was actually near the ball.
Experiment over. Can't carry him anymore.

Pitto dominated early. Went off and the pies dominated. He came back in and we held our own again. Pies nullified his influence in the second half well. Tdk was just another body in the ruck. Thankfully he kicked a couple.

Charlie did not play great, but he was probably up against his hardest opponent of the year who is more slouch, both physically and intellectually. Still kicked a couple.

We lacked run and pressure. Not surprisingly when we dropped Holland. Out of form, sure, but consistent effort and pressure should not be underestimated. Back in next week please.

Williams has a big target on his back and it was made bigger with the early frees against. They were a bit harsh and just about pushed him over the edge. His hammy will probably come as a relief for him.

Young was not terrible for his standards, but is still not performing as well as we need him too. We better have an alternative option lined up in the off-season.

I don't like a loss, but at least we learned a few things about a few people. Which is better learning now than in the finals.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #74
2 tackles - 1 mark for a ruck playing 70% of the game isn't good enough. Need more than just 30 taps.. lost it due to lack of run - all three losses have been the same way. Filth had three players tackling one Blue because they had superior ground coverage.. not to mention Darcy Cameron was taking important marks in his defensive half. I am not sure how many more games we need to lose in the same manner before the penny drops. Guys like Cripps & Hewett struggle when the opposing team cover the ground like they do.

Pittonet got 6 clearances. That's the same number as contested beasts cripps and Hewett.

He only got 1 mark, which was actually contested, but how many times were we trying to target him directly? How many times was he outmarked by his opponent?

I'm far from convinced 2 rucks works. But I think you are blinded by what pitto actually delivers/offers.