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Again responding to filler articles.

Kreuzer is struggling because he did an ACL on that piece of crap of a surface in the docklands, and has never been able to recapture the form he showed prior which had him on track to becoming a proficient ruckman that could be relied upon to take the odd mark and kick the odd goal up forwad.

The shifting interchange rules, and the fact that the bloke cant run out a game like he used to means that he needs to either become multi faceted (i.e. play as a forward when not rucking) or he become a gun ruckman.  Given his body issues, a gun ruckman is not going to be his go moving forward, as a Nic Nat will simply jump over him whilst he remains a bit of a lumbering dinosaur.  If we can recall, the ACL that Kreuzer did robbed him of that athleticism and agility that made him the freak he was.

@LP

Quote from: LP on April 04, 2014, 01:32:09 pm

Historically Kreuzer's main problems came from trying to turn him into monster forward, he got too heavy too quickly which looks to have triggered a range of leg and hip issues. He initially hurt that leg in a forward marking contest.

Hip surgery was done on Kreuzer before he played his first game with the club.  The knee injury happened in a ruck contest at Etihad vs Freo.  It would more than likely have been too much load on one so young too soon that really was the problem in what we did to him.

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Malthouse stating there is no future for Kreuzer in the ruck is absurd, I am not sure anyone actually takes him seriously. He would have been better of claiming Kreuzer's career was over crippled by injury.

Malthouse stated nothing of the sort.  He simply stated he will need to play forward.

Kruezer like Hampson struggles to take marks and kick goals when placed forward...how many times do I need to say its a specialist position and ruckman dont work as KP Forwards.
Micks losing the plot if he thinks Kruezer will ever make it as a forward.....and 200cm isnt short for a ruckman if you are any good....Ryder is 196cm and gets the job done for Essendon and is a threat when played forward.
Will Minson is 199cm and was the AA ruckman in 2013.....
Mick is making excuses and they are not very good ones....

Who said make him a key forward?

Mick is making excuses now....  What excuses?  He simply stated that Kreuzer needs to add the ability to play forward.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It doesnt mean turn him into Paul Salmon.

As for what Kreuzer can and cannot do, how about we let him get injury free and play some footy and then we can talk about what he can and cannot do, because based on his last couple of years he cant even do that.

The excuse being Kruezer cant get the ruck job done because he is only 200cm...why would  he say he is too short?....thats just rubbish .
Ability to play forward?...would I be wrong in suggesting that has been tried and failed with Kruezer like it was with Hampson.?..why conduct another time wasting/band aid experiment when the first one was a failure.

How about recruiting specialist KP forwards and letting Kruezer try and concentrate on rucking.....

He didn't say Kreuzer cannot ruck.  If he did please present the quote to backup your OPINION of what he stated.

Remember when we laughed at the thread at BombersBlitz about Ryder being better than MK?

Time to get him geared up, most here think he's cooked anyway so no big deal if he gets caught and penalised anyway

Bang on that's exactly what I got out of the interview. Mick thinks Kreuzer is a sht ruckman and his future if there is one lies as a forward, but he is yet to master playing forward either.

I wouldn't read too much into Malthouse's comments about Kreuzer.  Last year he said that Kreuzer would be our main ruckman while he is coaching.

He makes statements to suit his agenda at the time.  He may even believe what he's saying at the time but he won't necessarily stick to his words.

Quote from: DJC on April 05, 2014, 11:49:26 am

I wouldn't read too much into Malthouse's comments about Kreuzer.  Last year he said that Kreuzer would be our main ruckman while he is coaching.

He makes statements to suit his agenda at the time.  He may even believe what he's saying at the time but he won't necessarily stick to his words.

I would, I would read in he is slipping mentally and that he is not the smart operator he used to be! The bloke is getting on, there is only one way he can go which means he has no long term future regardless of the short term!

When Sheedy started waddling off the cliff he eventually had to be pushed, he welded himself onto the dying embers of his career  like limpet stuck on a whale, he even allegedly white-anted Mark Williams in the process to squeeze out just one more year!

Where Sheedy is at now, that is where Malthouse is heading!

Nice mix of metaphors and similes there LP! 

Quote from: cookie2 on April 05, 2014, 02:12:59 pm

Nice mix of metaphors and similes there LP! 

Variety is the spice of debating.

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Quote from: cookie2 on April 05, 2014, 02:12:59 pm

Nice mix of metaphors and similes there LP! 

Variety is the spice of debating.

Yes indeed, the spice of life is like a forever changing rich tapestry of colours of the rainbow.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on April 05, 2014, 10:46:01 am

Bang on that's exactly what I got out of the interview. Mick thinks Kreuzer is a sht ruckman and his future if there is one lies as a forward, but he is yet to master playing forward either.

Kreuzer's strength was his mobility for a big man and his ability to win the ball at ground level. Pre-knee injury he used to take the big pack marks.
I just think the injuries have crippled him, can't run as fast, can't jump as high.

Quote from: DJC on April 05, 2014, 11:49:26 am

I wouldn't read too much into Malthouse's comments about Kreuzer.  Last year he said that Kreuzer would be our main ruckman while he is coaching.

He makes statements to suit his agenda at the time.  He may even believe what he's saying at the time but he won't necessarily stick to his words.

I would, I would read in he is slipping mentally and that he is not the smart operator he used to be! The bloke is getting on, there is only one way he can go which means he has no long term future regardless of the short term!

When Sheedy started waddling off the cliff he eventually had to be pushed, he welded himself onto the dying embers of his career  like limpet stuck on a whale, he even allegedly white-anted Mark Williams in the process to squeeze out just one more year!

Where Sheedy is at now, that is where Malthouse is heading!