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Something else that really peeved me was our constant short passing inside 50 to the small forward in the pocket. Rarely do they take the mark and even if they do they're around a 25% chance to score a goal. We need to go long to the square a lot more.

I enjoyed Robbo's attempted KO shoulder missile into Gazza's chest to take Gaz (and himself) out of the contest. Shook the little master up and got under his skin nicely!

Good win. Freo next at Etihad sat night... tough ask!

@Dave
Agree, "intimidating" is not a word that springs to mind with our blokes, apart from maybe Robbo when he's fired up. I think there was some sort of conscious effort v. the Saints to change that but it sure don't come naturally.

Hopefully MM can inject more of this quality into the team, both with existing players and via the trade table.

Nice win, shocking kicking and too many passengers yet again.

Rowe - I wonder if he didn't have to deal with cancer last season if he'd still be getting this soft excuse for being an ordinary player. He was bigger, older and stronger than his opponents and was spoiled or put off most of the time. Rowe is slow, and not aggressive at the contest, I've never seen him chase down an opponent like Casboult has. Many say Levi is a shocking kick for goal but at least he gets shots on goal, he will split a pack open when going for a mark and when one on one I'd back him in to mark 75% of the contests in the air. Rowe is a back up nothing more, Levi is young and has some AFL skills, play him now.

Carrazzo - You can look on paper or you can watch the game, stats don't say how often he fumbled of was beaten at the contest by younger, weaker opponents. There was a time last season when you saw him go into a contest and had confidence that if he didn't win it then it out be a ball up. Now Carrazzo circa 2013 is back to his worst slow with his decision making and often beaten at the contest and it didn't stand out any more than this game against inferior players that he should have schooled he looked slow and second rate.

Murphy - A paper cut out of what he was two years ago, always looking for the easy possession and no whee near as damaging by foot. Did making him the captain and winning the MVP put MM ahead of where he really is?

Kreuzer - Man love starting to build again. Was dominant around the ground in the ruck with little help just wish he'd get in the play more around the ground and lift his stats to around 15-20 possies per game and 8-10 marks. That's the next step.

Gibbs - did he play? I know he did but was just cruising around not effecting the game at all.

The smalls - all did well in patches, all went missing in patches.

Curnow - I have been a big fan all season and couldn't understand why people were asking for his head. Fantastic job on Ablett. One image sticks out to me, he helped in a play which allowed Ablett to get 5-8 meters in front, rather than give up the chase Ed put his head down and took off, which put doubt into Halls mind if he should handball to Ablett and instead he kicked the goal, but I'd rather have Hall kicking for goal than Ablett.

Cachia - Man love here again. The only player I saw lay multiple blocks to get other mids free and I don't thinks it was a coincidence that when he came on we started to get better value from clearances.

Henderson - Man love again. I'm sure he's a forward get's to the right spots, when behind he uses his body rather than arms to get space. I can't wait to see Henderson, Waite and Casboult forward line. All three have different skills that would compliment the others.

Metricon Stadium - No games should be played there during the day ever again. It was terrible to watch and the lack of cameras were also evident. Sent the C grade commentary team and about half the number of cameras than we get elsewhere.

Nice win, shocking kicking and too many passengers yet again.

Rowe - I wonder if he didn't have to deal with cancer last season if he'd still be getting this soft excuse for being an ordinary player. He was bigger, older and stronger than his opponents and was spoiled or put off most of the time. Rowe is slow, and not aggressive at the contest, I've never seen him chase down an opponent like Casboult has. Many say Levi is a shocking kick for goal but at least he gets shots on goal, he will split a pack open when going for a mark and when one on one I'd back him in to mark 75% of the contests in the air. Rowe is a back up nothing more, Levi is young and has some AFL skills, play him now.

Carrazzo - You can look on paper or you can watch the game, stats don't say how often he fumbled of was beaten at the contest by younger, weaker opponents. There was a time last season when you saw him go into a contest and had confidence that if he didn't win it then it out be a ball up. Now Carrazzo circa 2013 is back to his worst slow with his decision making and often beaten at the contest and it didn't stand out any more than this game against inferior players that he should have schooled he looked slow and second rate.

Murphy - A paper cut out of what he was two years ago, always looking for the easy possession and no whee near as damaging by foot. Did making him the captain and winning the MVP put MM ahead of where he really is?

Kreuzer - Man love starting to build again. Was dominant around the ground in the ruck with little help just wish he'd get in the play more around the ground and lift his stats to around 15-20 possies per game and 8-10 marks. That's the next step.

Gibbs - did he play? I know he did but was just cruising around not effecting the game at all.

The smalls - all did well in patches, all went missing in patches.

Curnow - I have been a big fan all season and couldn't understand why people were asking for his head. Fantastic job on Ablett. One image sticks out to me, he helped in a play which allowed Ablett to get 5-8 meters in front, rather than give up the chase Ed put his head down and took off, which put doubt into Halls mind if he should handball to Ablett and instead he kicked the goal, but I'd rather have Hall kicking for goal than Ablett.

Cachia - Man love here again. The only player I saw lay multiple blocks to get other mids free and I don't thinks it was a coincidence that when he came on we started to get better value from clearances.

Henderson - Man love again. I'm sure he's a forward get's to the right spots, when behind he uses his body rather than arms to get space. I can't wait to see Henderson, Waite and Casboult forward line. All three have different skills that would compliment the others.

Metricon Stadium - No games should be played there during the day ever again. It was terrible to watch and the lack of cameras were also evident. Sent the C grade commentary team and about half the number of cameras than we get elsewhere.

Excellent summary except for a small part in the Rowe sum up. I don't find cancer a soft excuse hence needs another year after this one to tell us more.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on July 28, 2013, 07:41:09 am

A few bagging Carrots I didn't think he was awful, I thought he was excellent when he went down back.

I think we all agree that Carrots is nowhere near his best: his decision making on the ball especially is not up to his normal standard. However, he was far from crappy. He managed 25 possessions at the same effectiveness of Murphy (who had 27). After half time he had a job which he did well enough.
I think he still needs a little confidence and more game time to find the form we all love. A couple of weeks back I suggested he might need a week or 2 with the Baby Blues. I think he is past that now - he is getting more ball. He needs a few things to go right, a couple of big wins, to get his confidence back.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on July 27, 2013, 05:10:53 pm

Quote from: Lods on July 27, 2013, 04:47:51 pm

Quote from: deags on July 27, 2013, 04:45:38 pm

Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.

Bottom line....

If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.

Not for me...I'm still sticking with Rowe, we need a second ruckman but one who can take a mark and give us some options....Warnock is still a lampost who can only play ruck.
Rowe wasnt great today, didnt take enough marks or get involved enough but i think we have to get away from rotating our KP/rucks when they have a ordinary game or two.
You have to build confidence to build a structure and I think Rowe has to be educated and given a chance to settle.......if you did drop Rowe then I reckon it has to be Casboult who comes in...at least he can play more than one position. I dont see Warnock as an option unless Kruezer gets hurt.

re: Waite...happy to have him back in the team but he isnt a ruckman and you still need a backup for Kruezer wether it be Rowe or Casboult.

In the "post match" Mick was apparently pleased with the support Rowe provided so he may be given the opportunity to keep going.