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Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #90 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
If both rucks play well (not just taps) they can fit in.

Good thing about Pittonet last week is that he played well around the ground too. Works well with TDK playing well up forward.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #91 –
Quote from: Lods – on
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1536660/tortured-wait-the-one-thing-on-blues-mind-after-giant-win?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3fA4nucSeyJF4dKnPDJ2dSX56ziKIL-0fPa5B0WqVFxAICyPsyILuJhgY_aem_AU5QynmePzWEMOSivCfC2fe91GNoAfyK7vZCpWoGYQ4EzeUEYrNDg5fhLTG5GoUlqJ2Cr9F653655GGxJ_92OLWw

Come on Lods, what would Pitto know?  ::)

Just to reiterate the big man's words; "We've got such good connection, just trying to work together, whether it's who's having a better game against which rucks – there were passages where he was having a good day against Briggs, so he went in, and I went forward for a bit."

And that's why De Koning took most of the ruck contests against O'Brien the game before.  Not because Pitto was underdone or because of a pre-determined plan but because De Koning was doing better against O'Brien than Pitto was.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #92 –
Quote from: laj – on
Good thing about Pittonet last week is that he played well around the ground too. Works well with TDK playing well up forward.

That's the real key Jim.  If both of our ruckmen can have an impact around the ground, it's a winning strategy.  If we have to hide them on the pine, we're in trouble.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #93 –
Quote from: DJC – on
That's the real key Jim.  If both of our ruckmen can have an impact around the ground, it's a winning strategy.  If we have to hide them on the pine, we're in trouble.

Which is the whole debate in a nutshell.
Previously, we had to 'hide them'.
Now, we can utilise them.
Turns the whole debate on its head.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #94 –
I suspect there is a huge difference between real world results and fan expectations or assessments.

Even after last weekend, TDK / Pitto is not "a thing" or "the thing" for every circumstance.

Thankfully Voss agrees!

The best thing about the TDK / Pitto combination last weekend, is that our MC now holds the upper hand. In the absence of injury we can go with Plan A or Plan B and keep opponents guessing, we have two functional options.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #95 –
To me the issue has always been a case of thinking in the present rather than thinking about what might be achieved.
That could never be done without them at least playing some time together, and developing that combination.
It won't always work, or even be the best option every game.
But if you don't try you never know, and that's not going to happen with one of them stuck in the VFL.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #96 –
We must not assume ever week will be like last weekend, especially this week.

Do not forget the Handbaggers were the team that complained about TDK last season getting the umpires onside to start penalising TDK in the latter part of the first half of the season. Penalised for basically jumping higher than opponents and as a result putting his knee in their chest. TDK was punished, punished for Scott's actions of basically playing an undone Stanley and an inured Blicavs in the ruck.

Last week Conway is another monster, gave McInerney a touch up, and after the injury to Stewart we saw Scott using Cameron behind the ball as a mobile stoppage option. TDK won't get such an easy or open run if Cameron repeats this strategy.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #97 –
Quote from: Lods – on
To me the issue has always been a case of thinking in the present rather than thinking about what might be achieved.
That could never be done without them at least playing some time together, and developing that combination.
It won't always work, or even be the best option every game.
But if you don't try you never know, and that's not going to happen with one of them stuck in the VFL.

Yeah, but you could say that about a million different permutations.

Why dont we try 6 small forwards in the side.
Why don't we try 3 rucks in the side.
Its not through lack of trying that we have got to this point, its been through lack of output.
The output we have got from them last game was very good. The week before, less so. Next week, who knows.
The most promising thing to come out of last week was the ability of TDK to be a genuine forward.
Never kicked 3 goals before.
Never crumbed a goal (AFAIK).
He has always had the potential to do it.....just never put it all together.
Hopefully that was his turning point.
Hopefully next week we do not see the 'old TDK' come back.

I mentioned previously that against injury riddled defensive unit from GWS, inside with ideal conditions at Marvel was the perfect breeding ground for his success.
Outside, in the swirly wind in slippery conditions (which might be this week) may not be so rewarding for him, and the team.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #98 –
As Harry Hoo would say, "Two Possibilities!"
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #99 –
My only issue was the absolute adamancy that there was only one way, and the closed attitude that the combination would never work, or was always the preferred option.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #100 –
Hogan gets off. Greene does not.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #102 –
Quote from: LP – on
We must not assume ever week will be like last weekend, especially this week.

Do not forget the Handbaggers were the team that complained about TDK last season getting the umpires onside to start penalising TDK in the latter part of the first half of the season. Penalised for basically jumping higher than opponents and as a result putting his knee in their chest. TDK was punished, punished for Scott's actions of basically playing an undone Stanley and an inured Blicavs in the ruck.

Last week Conway is another monster, gave McInerney a touch up, and after the injury to Stewart we saw Scott using Cameron behind the ball as a mobile stoppage option. TDK won't get such an easy or open run if Cameron repeats this strategy.

Why then has De Koning's frees against average remained remarkably consistent across his entire career?  On the other hand, his frees for average has been steadily climbing. 

I have been as mystified as the next punter when it comes to rucklotto frees in past seasons but De Koning wasn't singled out for special treatment by the umpires at Chris Scott's request.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #103 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Why then has De Koning's frees against average remained remarkably consistent across his entire career?  On the other hand, his frees for average has been steadily climbing. 
One or two games of stats won't make a big difference to overall stats, but after a couple of games the umpiring effectively forced TDK into changing his technique when there wasn't anything actually wrong with it. All because of Scott whinging.

We had plenty of debate about this at the time, and the influence of our ruck coaches, surely you remember.
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #104 –
Think we need to cool the jets on the idea we can play 2 rucks most weeks.
Pitto  had his best game for the club and contributed around the ground which is out of the box for him as he is generally only effective as a bullocking tap ruckman and does sfa around the game. Last week was the perfect game but its one out of how many?

TDK was ultra effective as a forward and snagged 3 and should have had 4.

My point is both played blinders and the game was on a dry track. Wont work every week and personally i prefer going in with the one tall in TDK.

Ideally I hope last week becomes a regular occurrence as its so difficult for the opposition to play against it but i need to see it as good as last week again and again before im convinced.