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Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #150
What a bunch of horse sh1t!
Today's result had little if anything to do with who was available. It was all to do with a lack of effort, a lack of heart and a bunch of entitled 20 something year old kids who have been given everything and aren't prepared to try their guts' out for a win.
There were maybe 3 or 4 blokes wearing navy who should have walked off the field in that guernsey.. The rest should have left it in the centre square.
I am disgusted by the ream. I proudly support the Carlton football club, but at the moment there is no pride in watching a team that in my opinion don't represent the club. There is no effort. Even the second best player in the side in P Cripps, touted as captain material can't show enough decency to run both ways on the field... He is one of about 16 or 18 out there today.
I was onboard with this Bolton rebuild/reset idea, but if can't even instill enough in these boys to make them want to play with pride then he isn't the right person to be leading a side full of young men learning the game.

You can see whatever you like. There is a losing culture that is entrenched in our club, and with a few breaks in between, has been continuously entrenched for nearly 20 years. It's very difficult for kids to come in and try and turn that around.

The problem is bigger than the players. We have seen very similar efforts with Pagan, Malthouse, Barker, Brittain and Bolton. Different coaches, different players, different eras, but the song remains the same. Why do you think that is ? Sacking a coach every few years and bringing a truckload of new players every few years does not appear to be working in my book. Why do you think that different players and different coaches produce the same result ?

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #151
BRING BACK RATTS :-\
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #152
I reckon Weitering's issues stem back to Jones' revival, you cant play two intercept specialists. Since then the lad has looked lost. Here's an idea, trade out Liam, and potentially resurrect a former number one pick to manage the defence whilst Doc moves into the midfield. He would fit into GC's back six easily.

The only problem with replacing Jones with Weitering is that Weitering is so slow and couldn't possibly get to some of the contests that Jones does. Jones can match it with just about any tall and then get to other contests such is his speed over the grass.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #153
BRING BACK RATTS :-\
Unfortunately we burnt that bridge.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #154
We signed Polson for 2 years more too based on zero form...he wouldnt get a game in a high school team.....

This. Total joke.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #155
Just got back from Brisbane. The only thing better about yesterday performance over the performance in Hobart was the weather was better. Without diminishing the unfolding potential disaster in Thailand, I feel Carlton is like that soccer team stuck in those caves. It is totally dark, there is no light at the end of the tunnel, we are running out of oxygen, the flood waters are rising and everyone on the outside don't really have a plan to get us out while everyone in charge just keep saying keep calm, everything will be all right. People are criticising Bolton for his press conferences, but what can he really say. It is a disaster and there is no glimmer of hope. When I go to the games, what I am looking at the moment is for something that shows that the future is going to be better. I don't see it. I just want a quarter where our young players just run free, winning the ball, connecting with team mates, kicking goals and executing their skills and I can walk away and say I can see the future. At the moment, all I see is our past.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #156
Unfortunately we burnt that bridge.

Perhaps it can be rebuilt, but senior coach he won't be at our football club.

Think of it this way, Bolton worked with Ratten and still decided to come to us anyway.  Perhaps he's not as bitter about what happened with us as we think he is.

Bolton must stay senior coach though and Ratten shouldn't return to our footy club until he's had a coaching stint of his own elsewhere.

We don't have much to offer people anymore at our footy club.  We are pathetic,  our supporters are too polarised to rock up anymore,  I'm anticipating a drop in our members next season and we'll struggle to get a player come to our footy club.  That means we can only offer people a chance of playing first team afl football or second and last chances when they've stuffed up their career and to do that we need to ensure that our culture regarding how we treat people is solid and doesn't outcast anyone anymore and can make the most of them.  Until that changes we aren't going anywhere.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #157
Here's is my simplistic (and perhaps naive) view of the situation. Whether we win or lose all the remaining games for the year:
- I will buy into the reasoning from the powers that be that this year was predicted to be our worst due to the turnover of players and the age profile being worst case.
- I will also buy into the fact that the injuries to key players has further tested our lack of depth and hence why we are one win from fifteen.
- I will partly accept that yesterday losing losing Simmo, Phillips and Marchy (albeit late), our structure was completely thrown into chaos (again lack of experienced depth).
But I'll tell you something fo free, this is the last time I will buy into any such excuses from the club. I'll write this year off based on the above, but thats it. If we are 0-5 or even 0-3 at the start of 2019, the board must go immediately and the coach and all his assistants must go at the end of the year (if not sooner). Its time for the club to grow some balls, plan for it now and either live or die by the sword. They can't keep stringing us along with BS, I refuse to accept anymore results like yesterday or the Freo game. I get the rebuild thing and doing it properly and I have been happy to see the "unCarlton" approach taken to date, but I have reached the end of my tether. My faith has now waivered and I need realignment.
But I also have a conspiracy theory. I said in a post that we are either tanking to ensure we get pick one or the coach and MC are clueless. Given BB came from a successful system, I don't believe its the latter. I personally believe they are manipulating the dot points I listed above to manufacture a convenient outcome. I now also believe Liddles "we dont want a priority pick" was a strategic ploy to actually draw one from the AFL (ie to divert attention away from any tanking debates). The AFL will not allow us to go through a season with one win and not give us PP. I reckon the club would be loving the media (like King) saying we are soulless and not playing for the jumper etc etc. Notice not one journo has used the T word yet? Maybe the club is cleverer than what we all thought. Conspiracy theory? Is it possible to manufacture the outcomes? Most will say probably not but something doesn't add up for mine. Maybe I have been reading too many LP posts (only joking fella) ;D ;D ;D
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #158
Can't get the full BB presser for some reason but in the short version he reiterates, yet again, the need to be challenged and to work hard, really hard! I would think there should be some consideration given to working a bit smarter?? Doubling down on methods that are not leading to any consistent signs of improvement surely just leads to more frustration and more failure? I'm obviously not privy to any of the details but it seems like this has become something like the blind application of a dogma. I'm very concerned (understatement!).
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #159
GTC, I don't mind that post. It's not all that implausible IMO.

At any rate, the end of this season can't come quick enough IMO.

 

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #160
Can't get the full BB presser for some reason but in the short version he reiterates, yet again, the need to be challenged and to work hard, really hard! I would think there should be some consideration given to working a bit smarter?? Doubling down on methods that are not leading to any consistent signs of improvement surely just leads to more frustration and more failure? I'm obviously not privy to any of the details but it seems like this has become something like the blind application of a dogma. I'm very concerned (understatement!).

It's hidden in the article on Marchy's heart condition for some reason :

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-07-07/full-postmatch-blues

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #161
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I now also believe Liddles "we dont want a priority pick" was a strategic ploy to actually draw one from the AFL (ie to divert attention away from any tanking debates). The AFL will not allow us to go through a season with one win and not give us PP. I reckon the club would be loving the media (like King) saying we are soulless and not playing for the jumper etc etc. Notice not one journo has used the T word yet? Maybe the club is cleverer than what we all thought. Conspiracy theory? Is it possible to manufacture the outcomes? Most will say probably not but something doesn't add up for mine. Maybe I have been reading too many LP posts (only joking fella) ;D ;D ;D

Or at least to stop Brisbane getting a PP?

Would be impossile for the AFL to give Brissy a PP and not CFC after that result yesterday?

So, either both get one or no one does.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #162
But I also have a conspiracy theory. I said in a post that we are either tanking to ensure we get pick one or the coach and MC are clueless. Given BB came from a successful system, I don't believe its the latter. I personally believe they are manipulating the dot points I listed above to manufacture a convenient outcome. I now also believe Liddles "we dont want a priority pick" was a strategic ploy to actually draw one from the AFL (ie to divert attention away from any tanking debates). The AFL will not allow us to go through a season with one win and not give us PP. I reckon the club would be loving the media (like King) saying we are soulless and not playing for the jumper etc etc. Notice not one journo has used the T word yet? Maybe the club is cleverer than what we all thought. Conspiracy theory? Is it possible to manufacture the outcomes? Most will say probably not but something doesn't add up for mine. Maybe I have been reading too many LP posts (only joking fella) ;D ;D ;D

Something certainly doesn't add up.

There's such a dramatic difference between games where we bring effort and games when we don't seem to have that same attitude.
The problem I'm having is that you can almost predict which Carlton side will show up following the team selections on a Thursday night.
The fact that it's predictable indicates to me there are a few things going on and being manipulated behind the scenes.

It's a dangerous game though.
Angry supporters are one thing.
Wealthy angry powerbrokers are another story...and if they surface and gain momentum the best laid plans may suddenly be out the window.

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #163
GTC, I don't mind that post. It's not all that implausible IMO.

At any rate, the end of this season can't come quick enough IMO.
Agree
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #164
Here's is my simplistic (and perhaps naive) view of the situation. Whether we win or lose all the remaining games for the year:
- I will buy into the reasoning from the powers that be that this year was predicted to be our worst due to the turnover of players and the age profile being worst case.
- I will also buy into the fact that the injuries to key players has further tested our lack of depth and hence why we are one win from fifteen.
- I will partly accept that yesterday losing losing Simmo, Phillips and Marchy (albeit late), our structure was completely thrown into chaos (again lack of experienced depth).
But I'll tell you something fo free, this is the last time I will buy into any such excuses from the club. I'll write this year off based on the above, but thats it. If we are 0-5 or even 0-3 at the start of 2019, the board must go immediately and the coach and all his assistants must go at the end of the year (if not sooner). Its time for the club to grow some balls, plan for it now and either live or die by the sword. They can't keep stringing us along with BS, I refuse to accept anymore results like yesterday or the Freo game. I get the rebuild thing and doing it properly and I have been happy to see the "unCarlton" approach taken to date, but I have reached the end of my tether. My faith has now waivered and I need realignment.
But I also have a conspiracy theory. I said in a post that we are either tanking to ensure we get pick one or the coach and MC are clueless. Given BB came from a successful system, I don't believe its the latter. I personally believe they are manipulating the dot points I listed above to manufacture a convenient outcome. I now also believe Liddles "we dont want a priority pick" was a strategic ploy to actually draw one from the AFL (ie to divert attention away from any tanking debates). The AFL will not allow us to go through a season with one win and not give us PP. I reckon the club would be loving the media (like King) saying we are soulless and not playing for the jumper etc etc. Notice not one journo has used the T word yet? Maybe the club is cleverer than what we all thought. Conspiracy theory? Is it possible to manufacture the outcomes? Most will say probably not but something doesn't add up for mine. Maybe I have been reading too many LP posts (only joking fella) ;D ;D ;D
Me Too. But if it's true and we are exposed.......hand the keys in.
I was there, Blight missed!!!