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I think Menzel should plays NBs - make him realise he's not a walk up start and his form this year has been poor - he reeks of picking up Gibbs' attitude (and pony tail).

Think we need Curnow. He shut Stevens right down.

Jamo - sure doing nothing down back so let hm have some rest

Dick an obvious out - so him, Jamo and if a third out is needed i guess Ellard goes before Armfield whose speed appears to be back.

Menzel was one of our better players in Rd 1, 17 disposals and 2.1 on the score board. Didn't do anything against West Coast, but who did? Then he's been out injured the last 2. He's still got more class than Ellard and Armfield combined.

A lot of people here criticising the suggestion to drop Armfield. Sure he played ok against the Saints, but the problem with our team at the moment is that we have too many good honest C-B graders and not enough class. I'd play Menzel ahead of  Army because Menzel is the future. He is still young, he will have some shocking games and some brilliant ones. But the more game time he gets, the more likely we'll get the brilliant games. We're never going to evolve if she keep playing the same players with gross limitations. Ellard is not up to it, Armfield is not up to it in the long term. Time to move forward.

As for the 'Casboult is our only ruck relief' argument that people are throwing about; bringing Jaksch back in means we can afford for Rowe to relieve in the ruck. It wouldn't be for large chunks of the game anyway. But to be honest, I wouldn't be fazed to see Jones dropped instead, but stand by the opinion that Watto deserves his chance.

Sorry Maven, Rowe should never ruck again. Awful.

did? Then he's been out injured the last
A lot of people here criticising the suggestion to drop Armfield. Sure he played ok against the Saints, but the problem with our team at the moment is that we have too many good honest C-B graders and not enough class. I'd play Menzel ahead of  Army because Menzel is the future. He is still young, he will have some shocking games and some brilliant ones. But the more game time he gets, the more likely we'll get the brilliant games. We're never going to evolve if she keep playing the same players with gross limitations. Ellard is not up to it, Armfield is not up to it in the long term. Time to move forward.

Is there any chance at all that Rowe will be dropped/

He was disgraceful last week, continuing his total lack of effort that permeates the way he approaches each game. He panics when under pressure, he cannot think his way out of a situation, he stands flat footed watching while others do the work, and he is a champion at giving the opposition forwards free kicks because he lacks the ability to combat his opponents skills fairly.

Rowe is the single greatest liability in this team, and should never have been made part of the leadership group.

Menzel was one of our better players in Rd 1, 17 disposals and 2.1 on the score board. Didn't do anything against West Coast, but who did? Then he's been out injured the last 2. He's still got more class than Ellard and Armfield combined.

A lot of people here criticising the suggestion to drop Armfield. Sure he played ok against the Saints, but the problem with our team at the moment is that we have too many good honest C-B graders and not enough class. I'd play Menzel ahead of  Army because Menzel is the future. He is still young, he will have some shocking games and some brilliant ones. But the more game time he gets, the more likely we'll get the brilliant games. We're never going to evolve if she keep playing the same players with gross limitations. Ellard is not up to it, Armfield is not up to it in the long term. Time to move forward.

As for the 'Casboult is our only ruck relief' argument that people are throwing about; bringing Jaksch back in means we can afford for Rowe to relieve in the ruck. It wouldn't be for large chunks of the game anyway. But to be honest, I wouldn't be fazed to see Jones dropped instead, but stand by the opinion that Watto deserves his chance.

In the form he is in, Id be leaving him in the team until such point that he significantly misfires.

28, might net us a decent trade or even might end up on the market via free agency.  Either will get us decent compensation.

HAVE to shop him around, particularly whilst he challenges the younger more able bodies to beat him to a game.

While I agree with the bit about him being dropped I think you've gone in a bit hard on the guy. By all accounts he's a natural leader and 100% committed to the cause but his current form is just so SHIZEN it's difficult to see how he's survived the chop for this long. Lack of options I guess is the main reason. Watson is not the answer, he is a dead set spud I don't care what anyone says. Play the new kid Jaksch and just roll the dice.