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Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #60 –
Quote from: Lods on
Well, with no rucks at all, it will settle the argument as to whether rucks are important. ;)

We won't win because Dow is not playing!  :o
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #61 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Agree...Their rucks are kids and so are their mids, we should be able to cope ok.
Collingwood had no rucks for a while and showed you can still be competitive if you get inventive ...
Coll are on top, we are 15th
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #62 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Coll are on top, we are 15th
They were rucking Frampton and Johnson at one stage....a recycle and a mid season rookie who are both undersized, they did the job, didnt win the rucks but just made it harder for the opposition. Someone like Harry has to step up and take his turn, Young can have a go....both 200cm or bigger...the Pies duo were less equipped to do the job but the reason they are on top and we are 15th is they adapt with odds and sods players and compete and its the next soldier up mentality.
Hawthorn have kid rucks and kid mids....as MBB said its not Gawn and Grundy with Petracca, Oliver and crew we are playing...
Blues by 5 goals with one leg in the air is how this game should play out if we get effort from the group...not just 3-4 players.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #63 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
They were rucking Frampton and Johnson at one stage....a recycle and a mid season rookie who are both undersized, they did the job, didnt win the rucks but just made it harder for the opposition. Someone like Harry has to step up and take his turn, Young can have a go....both 200cm or bigger...the Pies duo were less equipped to do the job but the reason they are on top and we are 15th is they adapt with odds and sods players and compete and its the next soldier up mentality.
Hawthorn have kid rucks and kid mids....as MBB said its not Gawn and Grundy with Petracca, Oliver and crew we are playing...
Blues by 5 goals with one leg in the air is how this game should play out if we get effort from the group...not just 3-4 players.

Agree. I we are serious we should win comfortably.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #64 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Agree...Their rucks are kids and so are their mids, we should be able to cope ok.
Collingwood had no rucks for a while and showed you can still be competitive if you get inventive ...
Ned Reeves is older than TDK, those young small bodied Mids are lightning quick and run all day, take them lightly and they will run right over us!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #65 –
Quote from: LP on
Ned Reeves is older than TDK, those young small bodied Mids are lightning quick and run all day, take them lightly and they will run right over us!

Yes, I tend to agree. They are a very hot and cold team, but their hot is pretty good.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #66 –
Quote from: LP on
Ned Reeves is older than TDK, those young small bodied Mids are lightning quick and run all day, take them lightly and they will run right over us!

Reeves is one year older, has only been playing for three years@30 games...TDK has been in the system for 5 seasons@50 games.
Hawks mids are in main the coalface type....Newcombe, McDonald, Worpel, Maginness, Ward along with the quicker Butler, Day, Moore.....they contest and chase well so our mids need to provide effort for 4 quarters and be physical.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #67 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Reeves is one year older, has only been playing for three years@30 games...TDK has been in the system for 5 seasons@50 games.
Hawks mids are in main the coalface type....Newcombe, McDonald, Worpel, Maginness, Ward along with the quicker Butler, Day, Moore.....they contest and chase well so our mids need to provide effort for 4 quarters and be physical.
In the ruck it'll be kiddies versus kiddies if TDK plays, it's far worse if TDK doesn't play because it's a ruck versus next to nothing!

Personally, I doubt the ruck will make much difference this game, because TDK solo won't have the freedom and won't be able to exercise that freedom even if we can orchestrate it, so if he plays I expect game impact to be a nil all draw.

We need the likes of Cunningham and Fogarty and other fringe players beating up on the kiddies, they need to treat this weekend like a feast laid on for beggars! If our fringe players have average games against the Dawks kiddies, then they deserve their papers to be stamped!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #68 –
In: Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni
Out: Matthew Cottrell (suspension), Marc Pittonet (knee soreness), Paddy Dow

Looks like Dow will be the sub.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #69 –
Quote from: Lods on
Looks like Dow will be the sub.
Nope.
Emergencies....
[36] Josh Honey,
[32] Jaxon Binns,
[29] George Hewett,
[33] Lewis Young

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #70 –
So Tom De Koning is in. A good thing IMO, and hopefully not hampered by soreness or other lingering issues.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #71 –
Quote from: PaulP on
So Tom De Koning is in. A good thing IMO, and hopefully not hampered by soreness or other lingering issues.

For now at least.

Young is luking in the emergencies should he not get up.
 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #72 –
It's a little confusing because this is how it's showing up on AFL.com

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HAWTHORN

In: C.Wingard, F.Greene, J.Ward
Out: L.Bramble (omitted), C.Mackenzie (omitted), J.Koschitzke (omitted), T.Brockman (illness)

R15 sub: Sam Butler

CARLTON

In: J.Silvagni, E.Curnow
Out: M.Cottrell (suspension), M.Pittonet (knee), P.Dow (omitted)

R14 sub: Paddy Dow

It's our 15th game so I'm not sure why they're telling us about the rd 14 sub-Dow

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #73 –
Quote from: Lods on
It's a little confusing because this is how it's showing up on AFL.com

It's our 15th game so I'm not sure why they're telling us about the rd 14 sub-Dow

We had the bye
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #74 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
We had the bye

Yep
They're giving both sides the last weeks sub.
Not sure why it's relevant.
It was just in the article on team changes.

Anyway, on the main team list section they've got it all under control.
No subs as yet.