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All our leadership group (except for Cripp's obvious size) are small- med running players... the Carlton of old always had a gun big man as the leader.

Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and
its time he took on some responsibility..

Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and
its time he took on some responsibility..

Does just "being big" constitute good leadership qualities though? This is not just a decision by one person. BB and the club generally seem to have made careful assessment of demonstrated leadership qualities prior to these appointments being voted on. Kreuz didn't obviously get sufficient votes, despite his height.

Big makes you more intimidating, and I think it also means you can dish it out with greater force, stand up for your teammates better, withstand knocks better etc.

I don't know what any of this has to do with leadership, but being a big bully does seem to be advantageous in AFL footy.

As for Krooz, maybe :
a. he didn't want it
b. club thought he wasn't suitable, for a variety of reasons - injuries, too introverted etc.

Paul, that just sounds like hired muscle rather than leadership qualities. I would like to see some muscle in our team without doubt - the kind of blokes who will deter opposition bully boys going near our talent for fear of what could and would be delivered back on them. It's not essential that these particular guys are our leaders though.

Yes, I suppose it is. But if you think about players like Nicholls and Hodge, they do have that fear factor, which I think helps.

But I take your point.

Yes, all big blokes except for Comben, Silvagni, Barassi, Jesaulenko, Johnston, Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Judd and Murphy    There are some tough nuts among that lot though.

I'm not sure about Kreuzer as a leader.  He may lead by example, and that's fine, but he doesn't seem to be a bloke who would relish a role as an active, vocal leader.  I suspect that he didn't nominate for a leadership role but, if he did, the playing group and coaching panel didn't think he was up to it.

It would be nice if one or more of our 200cm/100kg brigade stepped up as a leader.

Like your list DJ but Bradley and Murphy wouldnt be in my tough nut category, take yours and Cookies point about MK not being a natural leader but I could say the same thing about Murphy
who had to grow into the captains job....I think Kreuzer could have been challenged by being in the leadership group and he may have surprised....

Stop the presses! Spornton was wrong!!!!

But he didn't say which Monday 

Yes, all big blokes except for Comben, Silvagni, Barassi, Jesaulenko, Johnston, Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Judd and Murphy    There are some tough nuts among that lot though.

I'm not sure about Kreuzer as a leader.  He may lead by example, and that's fine, but he doesn't seem to be a bloke who would relish a role as an active, vocal leader.  I suspect that he didn't nominate for a leadership role but, if he did, the playing group and coaching panel didn't think he was up to it.

It would be nice if one or more of our 200cm/100kg brigade stepped up as a leader.