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Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #150
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏
Agree...a consistent performer still with some upside and more physical development to be had , knows his limitations and plays his role.
Probably goes under the radar as he isnt flashy but its the reliable types you build a core group around and he is now part of that core group IMO.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #151
No we aren't. Teague himself has said on numerous occasions that the style hasn't changed that much. As we can see with Clickbait Clarkson, there's nothing any coach can do about kids and hacks. He can barely get a yelp out of O'Maera, Mitchell, Wingard, Scully etc.

It'd be easier to admit you were simply ridiculously wrong. 10-9 under Teague, 4 from the last 43 under Bolton. Answers everything. |

Game has changed, we are alot more attacking than the confusing, defensive muck served up before.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #152
I agree, but that's not my point. Apart from the Bulldogs, falling over against this team or that team does nor engender much confidence. All teams have been inconsistent, but you can be inconsistent and still look convincing, like Port. We have scored 100 points or more the last 3 games against the Dogs - it's entirely possible that we are simply their bogey team.

For some people, "we won" is enough. For those of us who take an interest in detail, nuance and subtlety, it's not nearly enough.

I was happy to fall over the line against the likes of Geelong, at Geelong, and Essendon. They were never going to lose yesterday, they were always doing enough although I'd like to see the foot on the throat when on top, not the foot off the brake. This time last year we were 1-11 (who was that under again?...lol) and embarrassing, now 4-4 and 10 from 19. We're not going to be a premiership side overnight but right now it's great improvement as we go along the journey of maturity.
 

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #153
It'd be easier to admit you were simply ridiculously wrong. 10-9 under Teague, 4 from the last 43 under Bolton. Answers everything. |

Game has changed, we are alot more attacking than the confusing, defensive muck served up before.

I realise basic comprehension is beyond you, so I'll give you a helping hand. Look back on our recruiting history over the last 20 years and tell me what you see. Look back at our coaches over the last 20 years, their successes and failures, and tell me if you can join the dots. Come on slugger, I dare ya. See if for once in your life, you can take a broader view, and see the bigger picture.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #154
I realise basic comprehension is beyond you, so I'll give you a helping hand. Look back on our recruiting history over the last 20 years and tell me what you see. Look back at our coaches over the last 20 years, their successes and failures, and tell me if you can join the dots. Come on slugger, I dare ya. See if for once in your life, you can take a broader view, and see the bigger picture.

Don't give me spin. That's all you have when you've been made to look a fool. The more you bring it up the more you look a fool. Look at the scoreboard, tells all. From that scoreboard I see 10 from 19 compared 4 from 43. I saw instant improvement. Same players, different results. If you can't see the difference in our game since Teague come along then I can only laugh in your face.

Paul, you got it wrong. no amount of spin, BS will change that.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #155
Agree...a consistent performer still with some upside and more physical development to be had , knows his limitations and plays his role.
Probably goes under the radar as he isnt flashy but its the reliable types you build a core group around and he is now part of that core group IMO.

I think he's got significant development ahead of him, assuming good health and coaching.

It's his vision, good decisions, and pinpoint execution that are impressive. I recall they worked on defensive game last year, and adapting mind to body change post injuries. He also has a steely determination in the contest. Again with the right coaching, can enable that ruthless competitiveness. Looking forward to seeing Setterfield with 50 games under his belt. Might turn out to be another SOS masterstroke!
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #156
i think we are a very LUCKY football team,cats play 6mins, ess 1more meter,roos with important players missing.I blame our game style it has been the same for years the long bomb into forward line does not work the opposition just run it out and because we are slow cant defend and into there open forward line,easy goals to other side. How many times have we seen this happen. So change game plan . How does opposition have open forward line and ours is crowded all time?Glad we won but we are LUCKY

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #157
It'd be easier to admit you were simply ridiculously wrong. 10-9 under Teague, 4 from the last 43 under Bolton. Answers everything.

The axe for bolton should have come a lot earlier.  We learned precious little from his time at Carlton

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #158
Don't give me spin. That's all you have when you've been made to look a fool. The more you bring it up the more you look a fool. Look at the scoreboard, tells all. From that scoreboard I see 10 from 19 compared 4 from 43. I saw instant improvement. Same players, different results. If you can't see the difference in our game since Teague come along then I can only laugh in your face.

Paul, you got it wrong. no amount of spin, BS will change that.

If you stopped behaving like a cross between a 5 year old and a know-it-all, you might understand my point. Even by the standards of a footy forum, you cannot make a proper assessment of any coaching record without taking into account the bigger picture. You cannot simply look at results and magically erase the context, because it gives you yet another chance for one of your pathetic little nyah nyah nyah moments.

Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #159
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏

Only 22 yo, under 30 games, lost fitness, continuity and confidence due to a knee reco. Plenty of upside here!!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #160
Only 22 yo, under 30 games, lost fitness, continuity and confidence due to a knee reco. Plenty of upside here!!
Needs to bulk up a little though. Becoming a tackling machine also.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #161
i think we are a very LUCKY football team,cats play 6mins, ess 1more meter,roos with important players missing.I blame our game style it has been the same for years the long bomb into forward line does not work the opposition just run it out and because we are slow cant defend and into there open forward line,easy goals to other side. How many times have we seen this happen. So change game plan . How does opposition have open forward line and ours is crowded all time?Glad we won but we are LUCKY
Dont disagree we were lucky both with Nth being down on some key players and our own game plan working not so well but we slugged it out and lesser thought of players dragged us over the line. In the past we would have been over run and lost but players like Cuningham seem to have a licence to thrill under Teague they didnt have under Bolton and backed themselves in.
Its a more attacking style even though inconsistent but its better than defending patches of grass and trying to strangle teams...think I'd rather go down swinging than having hope as a strategy.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #162
Dont disagree we were lucky both with Nth being down on some key players and our own game plan working not so well but we slugged it out and lesser thought of players dragged us over the line. In the past we would have been over run and lost but players like Cuningham seem to have a licence to thrill under Teague they didnt have under Bolton and backed themselves in.
Its a more attacking style even though inconsistent but its better than defending patches of grass and trying to strangle teams...think I'd rather go down swinging than having hope as a strategy.

Yep, better to die on your feet than live on your knees as the old saying goes.  >:D
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #163
As we have seen with Clarkson, even the greatest coach can't do much with average cattle and kids. I have heard many coaches say that 80% of coaching is done during the week, and there's little they can do o match day, especially now with limited runners.

Take out 30 odd games of experience from the kids, take out PIttonet, Martin, Betts etc., and put in their place Lobbe, Phillips, Mullet, O'Shea, Smedts and many others. Take a hard line long term view on development, and specifically give kids games and tough assignments, leaving oldies on the periphery. Give all that to Clarkson, or Teague, and get back to me.

OK, take all that away......Teague went 6-5 from his 11 games.
Same cattle, Bolton went 1-10.

Oh, but that was just honeymoon period right?
Except now...
Take away Kreuzer, Charlie, Fisher, Marchbank, throw an labouring Cripps in that as well.
Oh, 4 and 4? MUST be the new recruits.

You can come up with all the excuses you want.
Occams razor suggests the simplest, less convoluted answer is the right one.

Teague > Bolton.
The end.
 

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #164
Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.

There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.