Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: PaulP on March 28, 2014, 09:52:46 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 28, 2014, 09:42:38 am

Quote from: Koutz on March 28, 2014, 08:16:27 am

A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.

Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.

Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.

I remember some years back David Parkin talking about the evolution of our game. He mentioned that right across the board, skills had improved - hand balling, tackling, running patterns,etc. you name it. Except goal kicking. The one area he said will probably never improve. If there's anyone out there who knows about the mechanics of goal kicking, I'd love to hear from them. The margin for error must be miniscule.

Did you see Warnocks shot for goal? I challenge anyone to repeat what he did, impossible. He kicked it with the side of shin so high up it was ridiculous. You couldnt do it if you tried. Thats a problem above the shoulders IMO.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 28, 2014, 11:15:06 am

Spot on Agey, the kid is a star.

He did play well, I am not disputing that, but 94% really?

If you go by the CD stats they also list Curnow as best on ground!

The stats are at best rubbery assessments bent to suit the circumstance.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 28, 2014, 11:42:08 am

It's more of a guideline as opposed to an exact science but the 94% does suggest he was great with ball in hand. i didn't notice any issues. I'm not willing to sit through that crap again and confirm.

I suppose this depends on what you classify as an efficient disposal. Some regimes require a fellow team member to take clean control of the ball, others are happy as long as it doesn't go directly to an opponent or OOBOTF.

Changing the subject, how did Robbo go in your opinion?

Just looked at the stats. We had more;
- contested possessions
- clearances
- tackles
- hit outs
- tackles
- inside 50's
- marks inside 50
- shots on goal

and we conspired to loss the game! Only this team, and this group of mental pygmies, are capable of doing that. It is a rare feat to win all the important areas of a game of football and lose on the scoreboard.

Quote from: LP on March 28, 2014, 11:49:01 am

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 28, 2014, 11:42:08 am

It's more of a guideline as opposed to an exact science but the 94% does suggest he was great with ball in hand. i didn't notice any issues. I'm not willing to sit through that crap again and confirm.

I suppose this depends on what you classify as an efficient disposal. Some regimes require a fellow team member to take clean control of the ball, others are happy as long as it doesn't go directly to an opponent or OOBOTF.

Changing the subject, how did Robbo go in your opinion?

I saw one occasion where he was under pressure, threw it on the boot and it went to Richmond. I didn't think he was too bad other than that. I do not see how everyone is critcising him for his kicking again it all comes down to preconceived impressions. His kicking was generally good.

Quote from: sydneybluesfan on March 28, 2014, 12:02:40 pm

Just looked at the stats. We had more;
- contested possessions
- clearances
- tackles
- hit outs
- tackles
- inside 50's
- marks inside 50
- shots on goal

and we conspired to loss the game! Only this team, and this group of mental pygmies, are capable of doing that. It is a rare feat to win all the important areas of a game of football and lose on the scoreboard.

We actually led most stats at half time but were still down. You have to question the gameplan when that's happening.

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 28, 2014, 09:59:37 am

Quote from: PaulP on March 28, 2014, 09:52:46 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 28, 2014, 09:42:38 am

Quote from: Koutz on March 28, 2014, 08:16:27 am

A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.

Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.

Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.

I remember some years back David Parkin talking about the evolution of our game. He mentioned that right across the board, skills had improved - hand balling, tackling, running patterns,etc. you name it. Except goal kicking. The one area he said will probably never improve. If there's anyone out there who knows about the mechanics of goal kicking, I'd love to hear from them. The margin for error must be miniscule.

Did you see Warnocks shot for goal? I challenge anyone to repeat what he did, impossible. He kicked it with the side of shin so high up it was ridiculous. You couldnt do it if you tried. Thats a problem above the shoulders IMO.

Yes I did see it, and wished I hadn't. I was referring to goal kicking generally. All teams will occasionally have off nights. And it looks awful when it happens. Some games you can't buy a goal. Other times you can't miss. To whit, Mr Ellis' two boundary goals. I would defy him to kick one of those again this entire season, let alone two in one game.

So this is Buckley's 3rd or 4th year on the list, had a great pre-season and was still a late inclusion and produced that.

How many other "old" boys are getting a game based on past performances when we have some good hungry kids ready to go?

I cant believe the hate for Rowe on here I thought his game was serviceable,have a look when he went into the ruck in the centre we actually starting winning the ball out of the centre. Warnock got first hands on the ball many times but he doesn't tap it to advantage.
Rowe set up Yarran for a goal with a tap down in a contested marking contest.
In the second half Rowe had many important spoils in the back half of the game.
If your going to sack every defender that concedes a mark to Vickery we are going to be very short of players at the end of the year.
It was his first game and I reckon Wood and him would offer more than Warnock in the team.