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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #45 –
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I imagine that Tim Clarke and Luke Power will be working with Ollie to improve his ability to get his disposals away more quickly and without losing efficiency.
Just on this issue, I understand we try to hit targets, but last night we looked more dangerous when the ball hit the deck in our F50. I think we are missing a trick, in that trying to hit targets late left Lever and May with a smorgasbord of intercepts. We had Owies, Durdin, Martin and at times Elijah, Cottrell, Cripps, Walsh and Kennedy all inside F50, space is a target, even a grubber kick along the ground is a target.

What's wrong with getting the ball within our goal range a creating a stoppage after stoppage as opposed to delivering Lever and May easy intercepts?

If the Dees are going to rely on Petracca inside F50, then leave him there and make stoppages in our F50 without him around the footy!
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #46 –
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Not sure about Charlie in that role - I think Newman might have been the best available option after McGovern was toasted a couple of times.  If Cincotta hadn't been so much on top of Pickett, he might have been worth a try.

Exactly what I thought. Cincotta would have been great, but then Pickett would have gotten off the leash and potentially wreaked havoc. Newman would have been the man.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #47 –
BT is simply insufferable.

14m 50s to go, Windsor drops the mark, turns and picks up the ball - stops, props, tried to sidestep the tacklers but is wrapped up by Owies and Pittonet, BT’s commentary: “He won the footy and tried to duck under the tackle, great call”.
Great call? GREAT CALL?! What a dipcrap. This is what rankles. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him criticise a poor decision against us. Yet poor decisions in our favour (e.g. dangerous tackle) have him basically fomenting dissent in the commentary team about how we’re borderline cheats and calling for rules changes.

2m:13s to go when Petracca throws Newman to the ground it’s a low key “Carlton fans wanted a free there”. Notice how he doesn’t just downplay the incident but also can’t subconsciously disguise his low opinion of “us” - the fans. We’re effectively low-life whingers who can’t possibly understand the rules like he does.
It was left to a co-commentator (Daisy T.?) to tell it like it is, “Petracca needs to be careful. That should have been a free kick”.

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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #48 –
Personally, I don't think we had much wrong structurally or tactically, we forced turnovers and we able to stop the Dees momentum multiple times after giving them the ball via execution errors. We didn't really give away any silly frees if we ignore a couple of umpiring howlers.

Our main problem was still execution, even when we had time and space we basically delivered the footy to the Dees HB line!
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #49 –
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Agree with remarks about the Ch7 commentary last night. It scaled new heights in bias, irrelevance and statement of the blindingly obvious. BT gave a masterclass ably supported by his willing cohort.
On the question of a lack of enthusiasm in BT's calling.

In the past he use to make excuses that we were boring to watch, yet in recent weeks we've been in both high scoring shoot outs, fumbling high intensity struggles, and last night in the first half we were dominant and efficient the imposing Handbagger style. Yet his attitude calling our games remains largely the same, until the moment our opposition get on a roll and his demeanour changes! He is pretty much schtum until our opposition look threatening, and even if/when we are on a roll he spends most of his time casting seeds of doubt or talks about the weather.

His dislike of Carlton is palpable, so why bother dragging down the spectacle, just get him out of the call team on our games!

It reminds me of watching The Storm versus any NSW team, the nine crew basically turn the broadcast into a Bellyache, Big Nasty, et.al., bashing session, I feel sorry for Cam Smith and Billy Slater for having to put up with it!
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #50 –
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Ms DJC is pretty much a neutral observer and she remarked that she never heard such biased commentary before.  She also had a crack at the umpires for some poor decisions  :)

BT and his mates do tend to boost the team that's behind so that the punters won't turn the game off but a bit of balance would be a pleasant change.

I must learn how to sync Blues Radio  :)
Apparently is live, no delay as is the Ch7 telecast. So just turn it on, mute BT and youre away.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #51 –
One thing I think the umps stuffed up.  Mcgovern juggled a mark, had two hands on it, and Petty knocked it out of his hands.  Play on the call.

That's a mark every week, and there was a few of those last night.  Wet weather footy, you can't make players hold it with an opponent punching it out.  Melbourne scored on the back of one of those.  Must have been 3rd quarter as it was the non punt road end.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #52 –
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Not sure about Charlie in that role - I think Newman might have been the best available option after McGovern was toasted a couple of times.  If Cincotta hadn't been so much on top of Pickett, he might have been worth a try.
Petracca was on and I dont think anyone was going to stop him if he got enough supply and it was one on one stuff where he excels like Dusty did at his peak.
We needed to put more pressure on the delivery and get another player across to help out when we could..

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #53 –
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Petracca was on and I dont think anyone was going to stop him if he got enough supply and it was one on one stuff where he excels like Dusty did at his peak.
We needed to put more pressure on the delivery and get another player across to help out when we could..

In a way it was better we got on top of him early and forced him to play forward.
Sure, he dominated forward......but the ball had to get there for that to happen.
Had he stayed midfield and started to dominate there, the dees would've had even more inside 50's, probably gone past the tipping point of what we could control.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #54 –
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One thing I think the umps stuffed up.  Mcgovern juggled a mark, had two hands on it, and Petty knocked it out of his hands.  Play on the call.

That's a mark every week, and there was a few of those last night.  Wet weather footy, you can't make players hold it with an opponent punching it out.  Melbourne scored on the back of one of those.  Must have been 3rd quarter as it was the non punt road end.

The same thing happened to De Koning about 15m from goal in our forward line.  Poor umpiring!
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #55 –
Last week the media piled on Matt Owies for banging his own head into the turf.  This week it’s Brodie Kemp who is copping it for slamming his own head into the ground. I’m not exactly sure how you stop your head from hitting the ground when your arms are pinned and the tackle knocks you off your feet and drives you forward.

Meanwhile, is there any chance of scrutinising Neale-Bullen’s flop when Newman brushed past him? 🙄
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #56 –
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The same thing happened to De Koning about 15m from goal in our forward line.  Poor umpiring!
It's umpiring without regard to the conditions, when TDK took his mark in the rain it was a wet weather mark every day of the year!

I don't mind that they don't call them, I just want it eh same for both sides and it isn't. This is a downside of having more umpires than ever before, the subjective stuff varies widely from umpire to umpire.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #57 –
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Meanwhile, is there any chance of scrutinising Neale-Bullen’s flop when Newman brushed past him? 🙄
The super slow mo shows no obvious contact with head or jaw, and no deviation in Neale-Bullen's head aligned to Newman's direction of contact. The only detectable motion is Neale-Bullen throwing his head back!

The AFL is causing this problem.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #58 –
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The super slow mo shows no obvious contact with head or jaw, and no deviation in Neale-Bullen's head aligned to Newman's direction of contact. The only detectable motion is Neale-Bullen throwing his head back!

The AFL is causing this problem.

The MRO should fine Neale-Bullen for staging.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #59 –
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The MRO should fine Neale-Bullen for staging.
As much as I hate it, and how it can suck in umpires, my only concern is for players who get done over at the MRO for a bloke that stages.

The staging players will never admit to staging, they all fear becoming the next Ginnivan, so they go to the tribunal and offer ambiguous evidence like "I felt some contact!"

Last week we had players fined for running into umpires, the Dees did that multiple times last night, the Dee midfield deliberately use the umpires as physical obstructions. Let's see if they get fined?
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